Tizoc
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Funnily enough snk has at least 3 dark skinned boxers
Is oswald black or just tanned?
Rob python needs to be in this ish
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King of Fighters XIV Roster Discussion thread. Leaked roster in first post
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Is oswald black or just tanned?
Rob python needs to be in this ish
Picture of the Day ko ken (Say it in Osaka-ben!):
You're welcome! ^_^
Even if their stuff isn't entirely comparable to modern graphic completion-at-preview, there's a decent amount of heart in these trailers, and the way they have the characters acting.
Definitely need more black folk, though I never had as much problem with the ones we have as some. Seth is very cool, but gets looked over Heavy D! is much better than 'rog, etc.
I like Terry's original FF2 threads more too, but I'm glad he has a different look for this game, that fits in with the designs of the current designers. Classic costumes can always be earnable in game, or DLC. It's much more brave for them to mess with success for the default, than to stick to their guns, and make the only new stuff preorder bonuses. *ahem*
The only super-stereotypical guy might be Lucky? And even he's not much of a negative one. At the same time, we got TJ Combo in KI in the 90s gatting people to death in a bad part of town... and that was western made!
I've never heard of someone refer to Foxy as black, I'd assume she's more Hispanic or Italian? Of course, I still think Vice looks black in this particular art:
And I'd be perfectly fine with an honestly black female character that was somewhat similar.
He was in Maximum Impact: Regulation A, which is available as a download on PSN for PS3, now, for easier access. I really hoped this meant we would see more FH characters back afterwards, but it ended up being a 1-off, for now.
You're welcome! ^_^
Even if their stuff isn't entirely comparable to modern graphic completion-at-preview, there's a decent amount of heart in these trailers, and the way they have the characters acting.
Definitely need more black folk, though I never had as much problem with the ones we have as some. Seth is very cool, but gets looked over Heavy D! is much better than 'rog, etc.
I like Terry's original FF2 threads more too, but I'm glad he has a different look for this game, that fits in with the designs of the current designers. Classic costumes can always be earnable in game, or DLC. It's much more brave for them to mess with success for the default, than to stick to their guns, and make the only new stuff preorder bonuses. *ahem*
The only super-stereotypical guy might be Lucky? And even he's not much of a negative one. At the same time, we got TJ Combo in KI in the 90s gatting people to death in a bad part of town... and that was western made!
I've never heard of someone refer to Foxy as black, I'd assume she's more Hispanic or Italian? Of course, I still think Vice looks black in this particular art:
And I'd be perfectly fine with an honestly black female character that was somewhat similar.
He was in Maximum Impact: Regulation A, which is available as a download on PSN for PS3, now, for easier access. I really hoped this meant we would see more FH characters back afterwards, but it ended up being a 1-off, for now.
Oswald is irish, he just seems a bit tanned, helps to contrast with his white hair.
I like Rob Pyhton's design, but there are some stereotypical aspects to him that might not work well, unless there are more african roots in the whole roster's family trees, so that he gets to be more of an individual and less of a bad example.
Saiki is basically EX Ash.
Calling him new would be like calling Claw Iori new just because he has different specials.
Was watching Xiao Hai play Angel the other day and she is so friggin hype, can't wait to play her.
GreenMakoEyes
Member
you saw Angel gameplay in XIV?
No sorry, it was 2002UM.
Neither of those things stop you from being black
Also a lot of foxy's art looks like a black lady with nuts ass hair.
GreenMakoEyes
Member
oh ok, I was hoping to get finally some Angel gameplay impressions of XIV.
In 2k2UM she is one of my mains.. pure fun that girl.
She looks black there.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
I always thought Foxy looked like a Twi'lek.
Ok then, lets try this again. See looks more like someone like Salma Hayek, someone with more Italian or Lebanese ethnicity. Lets look at some pictures:
I can see an attempt at a more afro-inspired look, and she is of a more unusual mix of races, but eh... Diana's hair always reminded me more of an afropuff, even if her skin isn't always the right tone for this either:
Apparently, I'm not the only one who thinks so:
Choppasmith
Member
^That's some really good cosplay!
They do? Got darn it SNK! Iike someone else above said I'd be cool with a black female. I also hope that they give vice and mature back their dresses, or at least mature since he main feature is her legs, or well it was stated as something she treasures most.
Woah his is great! I'd take a characters like that for sure. Odd that she was never playable.
sir_bumble_bee
Member
I prefer when she wears a coat, but King still looks great. One of the more underrated character designs in the SNK universe imo
King is looking nice in XIV, taller and long-limbed.
(and that background is begging for teammates to be standing the back)
I dunno aside from the art style in pic one, she looks black. She looks like black anime character 101, give a black person craxy hair, usually white or yellow.Ok then, lets try this again. See looks more like someone like Salma Hayek, someone with more Italian or Lebanese ethnicity. Lets look at some pictures:
Though this isnt the most absurd " this character isnt black because..." argument i had recently.
AlphaDragoon
Member
Looks good. It's nice that SNK is putting the work in to try and improve the visuals and it's actually showing. Still no GGXrd or SFV but it's not straight up embarrassing either.
It's also nice as an SNK fan from the old games to see the story transition with King from pretending to be a guy to looking more and more feminine as she got over her hangups about being considered "weak" because she's female, to the point of this screen where you can 100% tell she's a girl.
It's also nice as an SNK fan from the old games to see the story transition with King from pretending to be a guy to looking more and more feminine as she got over her hangups about being considered "weak" because she's female, to the point of this screen where you can 100% tell she's a girl.
Something Gerstmann said rings true to me, it's got a vibe like someone wanted to make a PS2 era game but with a modern polygon count, HD resolution, anti-aliasing, etc. In other words it looks like a game rather than something trying for realism.
I really dig that.
crimzonflame
Member
When are Ryo and King getting married?
Just after Mai and Andy.
Black Anime 101 normally goes for a different tone of brown, I'd say. the tone (in art and game) looks more like a brownish skin that's not suppose to be African. The brown skin with yellow outfit colors seen on Vanessa in 2k2UM is closer to the usual "black anime" style. The features are pretty appropriate though.
Of course not, this seems to be your thing! It's kinda good the subject even comes up lately, especially amongst fighters; they're the type of genre that should welcome a very colorful cast, and there can be a character for basically everyone.
Yeah, it's a great thing to see over the years. I also like that it's fairly consistent, even with all the changes SNKP has been through. They must really have one solid storyline bible.
As far as the graphics thing...
... yeah, I like this too. I'd much rather drop a level or 2 on the "realism" scale if it means more meaningful things like characters, varied animations, increased character interactions, more vocal lines, etc.
I love watching SNKP work on unsustainably beautiful sprites that they can use for 1 or 2 releases... but I also look forward to what they do with work that can be carried on by a wider range of developers, much more consistently.
I'm very happy that they're making steps to stick around and prosper lately. It shows more forward-thinking vision than they've exibited in at least a decade.
Her design isn't underrated at all, I mean snk characters as a whole are underrated if you're gonna go that route lol.
They would have married years ago if the rest of the AoF cast didn't always kill the mood "helping" them so much.
If this was specifically about XIV, can you provide a link please?
French: King, Shermie, Elisabeth
non-white Americans: Heavy D!, Lucky, Seth, Duck King
Koreans: Kim, Chang, Choi, Jhun, May Lee
English: Billy, Jenet
Germans: Krauser, Silber
Swedish: Chris
Canadian: Maxima
Mexicans: Ramon, Angel, Tizoc
Irish: Oswald
Australian: Raiden
That's enough characters to make a modern standalone fighting game.
There are plenty of characters with no stated origin, including Diana and Vanessa (this happened a lot during the NESTS arc...), and Ash's official profile even specifically states his birthplace is unknown but that he was raised in France.
darkhunger
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Added a few more in there
It varies on the style of anime, and the diversity of skin toes they are trying to go for? Because while i'm not going to say anime has removed all its troublesome depictions of black people, let alone protrals of people just generally outside of japan. There is a lot more anime, that just does cool black people now a days. It just depnd on who's drawing .
character diversity is a good thing, I wish tekken 7 had a bit more of it, but thats for another thread.
Important question
Whens Rock Howard and Ryo from art of fighting
I wouldn't say Lucky Glauber is a stereotype so much as he's literally Kareem Abdul-Jabaar.
Funnily enough, I recently read an interview where they said they initially planned for Lucky to be a huge weaboo but the designer liked the look of his baller gear and didn't want to change it, so they dropped that idea.
Doesn't seem to be a Daily pic today. Lets see if they resume over the work week.
Wonder if we'll have any other public appearances before that? With it being such a ways away, should hopefully see a lot more characters exhibited, and also some actual videos, unlike the majority of the C3 event.
Ah ahh, the "101" is the generic, basic style, not all the premutations and such. A lot of the base work for older stuff worked with whatever color Copics were best for flesh tones, or what worked best for that "suntanned beach babe" look that's normally paired with blonde hair.
Digital coloring and an overall "closer" world now-a-days definitely brings more variety, but there's still some fairly consistent generalizations.
Though Tekken has some standout varieties, I've never really looked for it expecting much. I've always preferred the Soul Calibur team's designs, I have very low expectations of Tekken's characters to specifically satisfy any outstanding character design desires. Thus, they don't necessarily make things I like, I just learn to like what they make.
Not expecting Rock really, but Ryo... now that Robert is here, hope we see him comparatively soon. Wonder who'll be the first Psycho Soldier shown...
Wonder if we'll have any other public appearances before that? With it being such a ways away, should hopefully see a lot more characters exhibited, and also some actual videos, unlike the majority of the C3 event.
Ah ahh, the "101" is the generic, basic style, not all the premutations and such. A lot of the base work for older stuff worked with whatever color Copics were best for flesh tones, or what worked best for that "suntanned beach babe" look that's normally paired with blonde hair.
Digital coloring and an overall "closer" world now-a-days definitely brings more variety, but there's still some fairly consistent generalizations.
Though Tekken has some standout varieties, I've never really looked for it expecting much. I've always preferred the Soul Calibur team's designs, I have very low expectations of Tekken's characters to specifically satisfy any outstanding character design desires. Thus, they don't necessarily make things I like, I just learn to like what they make.
Not expecting Rock really, but Ryo... now that Robert is here, hope we see him comparatively soon. Wonder who'll be the first Psycho Soldier shown...
from his twitter
I expanded on "up rezzed" in my take on it because it's certainly not that - much higher poly counts, modern effects, anti-aliasing, but the "feel" is kind of like that era.
man, I'm only just now getting into SNK stuff but Rock is the man. Finally made my way to Kain. Garou has such gorgeous, gorgeous 2D pixel art.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
I thought Krauser is austrian and not german? Geese was born to an austrian terrorist and an american woman.
I missed Robert and Krizalid, thanks - but Rugal isn't officially assigned to any country: http://kofaniv.snkplaymore.co.jp/english/character/index.php?num=rugal
He even had his own "R" flag in Kof94 instead.
His music was awesome and I'd gladly have it again in a game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3z6f66Rr7I
Krauser is officially German: http://kofaniv.snkplaymore.co.jp/english/character/index.php?num=krauser
I love that trashy urban aesthetic which permeates SNK's older fighters, and AOF2 really felt like the peak of that. Early KOF had some of that feel too in its presentation and character choices. I don't really like what KOF eventually morphed into and just started getting swamped with progressively weirder anime/moe-style characters. KOF99 felt like the tipping point for that. They need to balance things out by bringing back some of that old school grit.
Or even better, make an AOF4 which unabashedly revels in that old style.
Or even better, make an AOF4 which unabashedly revels in that old style.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Yeah, I find it still weird because Rudolf Krauser von Stroheim is mentioned in Geese's background and there he's austrian. I mean austrian would make more sense for Wolfgang, with the Mozart theme and all.
I guess they made him german, because he's based on Karl Istaz as well.
New rumor about the new characters and boss stage:
https://twitter.com/oWarlock360o/status/704091206041608192/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
https://twitter.com/oWarlock360o/status/704091206041608192/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
I don't want Chris Back. Hope it's a brand new character.
On the other hand, I do want Chris and the rest of the New Face/Orochi squad back. But I'm really doubting this character on the new "Hero Team" is him.
I just hope he doesn't steal too much of Chris' shtick in the process.
How does that description sound like Chris though?
Either way, the sleeping child sounds interesting. It's like they wanted to create a younger "drunken" boxer but didn't want to remove Chin. The concept overall does sound like something Jackie Chan would do.
First mask switching and now sleep boxing? The new characters are definitely sounding interesting, especially from the gameplay perspective.
darkhunger
Member
SNK used to be oozed with great visual style and direction but since the fall of the old SNK it really hasn't been the same. Games like Art of Fighting, Samurai Shodown, Last Blade, etc. KOF 94-95 had the gritty urban fighting feel and 96-97 had the grand tournament look and sound that you simply don't get from their games anymore.
The only way it sounds like Chris to me is in the way it's about a young boy who'se body is used as an avatar for a great power. Which means it does have some of the familiar beats of the Orochi storyline, which is always welcome.
Sleepy "Pillow Child" does sound interesting. Is it bad I just keep thinking about Jigglypuff in Smash? If there's ever an KoF character I can see with a Hon Fu-style counter (where he runs face-first into a blow, takes it, but then gets a locking auto-combo out of it), it could be this guy.
The Trashy Urban aesthetic just feels like a sign of the times. Even if old SNK didn't die, I doubt it'd stay around to the same capacity.
The great thing about KoF is that it does have new designs per saga that take in the new hotness of the times... but it also generally updates the old character in fitting ways. Thus, an urban character generally still feels urban, even when standing alongside a character that's a tribute to a more recent, "bubblegummy" modern anime.
I feel like a lot of old gaming companies lost their traditional identities into the 3D and HD eras. Everyone tried to replace it with something that was more 3D friendly, which normally meant things like big crowds were scaled back for more central focus on fewer characters, and really defined, lived-in worlds became a bit more clean, due to needing more visual clarity to make 3D less-confusing.
Even though SNK switched around and died as few times, they don't feel that far removed from what Sega, Konami, Capcom, or maybe even Namco went through.
But yet I still feel some of the classic nuance behind them. Looking at Fatal Fury teams VS Art of Fighting in the Southtown stage of KoF XIII feels pretty close to an updated AoF in a way. That derelict church in XIV felt a lot less glitzy and glam than the Neo Esaka stage.
I think it's cool to be able to find a bit of each era of SNKP in modern products. It feels fitting for a large-ensemble game that's suppose to celebrate an entire companies history. I hope when SNKP gets back to making more than just 1 game series, we can see them focus on expanding some of the less-utilized styles and setting more, again.
Definitely.
I think the Samurai Spirits game to come will likely be the best indicator of what else they can be capable of. I recall talk that stated said they wanted to try different graphic styles for XIV that just didn't pan out. SS, being a game that would stand to have a much smaller roster and had a very distinct presentation, would ideally be the game where they could afford to experiment with graphic styles until they can produce something that matches the same type of aesthetic that was used in the NeoGeo MVS titles.
Then if all of that works well, we could see them trying other things like MOTW2, a new Metal Slug or, dare I say, more interesting/off-beat things from their catalog like Crystalis!
...Or that's what I hope for, anyway...
Tizoc
Member
So i guess in kof cntinuity, tung didnt look after terry?