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Kitase Explains Why A PS3 Final Fantasy VII Remake Would Be "Very Hard" To Do
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beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
Mikey Jr. said:
console yourself with high-definition mediocrity
SilentProtagonist
Member
Blue Dragon had both and looked beautiful.Himuro said:
Wolves Evolve
Member
What an absurd position to put yourself in. Final Fantasy fans would buy it even if it wasn't cutting-edge graphically - position it not at ten million sales goal but at 4-5 and budget the game accordingly. Like, obviously not re-mapping Crisis Core but loads of recent games have detailed towns with hefty middleware engines. I'm playing Dragon Age right now; and its got... well.. towns. Lots of them. Its not the prettiest game out there, but thats... RPGs.
Shadowlink
Member
Blue Dragon.Himuro said:
Edit: Beaten!
MasterTeacher
Banned
Kagari said:
ok I feel better now I almost had a meltdown
badcrumble
Member
I know! The joke is that it turns out there are barely any NPCs.Kagari said:
It's fun to hear such bullshit from devs :lol :lol
The towns in FF7 remake would be piss easy to make. DON'T REDESIGN THEM YOU SILLY. Simply have them rendered in real time 3D of next-gen beautiful, bloc the player at the same places, same view angles, etc.
Seriously I mean, how hard is to only make a REMAKE? fuck.
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The towns in FF7 remake would be piss easy to make. DON'T REDESIGN THEM YOU SILLY. Simply have them rendered in real time 3D of next-gen beautiful, bloc the player at the same places, same view angles, etc.
Seriously I mean, how hard is to only make a REMAKE? fuck.
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flintstryker
Banned
yeah i kinda expect it to suck tooClearCELL said:
but i am hoping against hope.
SilentProtagonist
Member
If you were to tell me 14 years ago, that ff7 would be too powerful to be remade/updated on a console in 2010 I would not believe you. :lol
paperheart
Banned
Very hard to do, really? Really? There are current gen games out there, that are HD, that have towns and are detailed nicely. Supposedly, the Final Fantasy XIII team had a whole game's worth of content cut from Final Fantasy XIII even though it was already running on the Playstation 3 or the Playstation 3 SDK. That tells me it wasn't that hard to make more content for the game, it's just they cut it for some unknown reason. This interview to me just sounds like he is defending Final Fantasy XIII being so linear. If Final Fantasy Versus XIII is going to meet the expectations that are set, then Kitase should leave Final Fantasy alone and let Nomura and the Final Fantasy XII team make Final Fantasy games. Which makes me wonder. What is the Final Fantasy XII team up to currently?
MasterTeacher
Banned
What are the chances of Nomura surprising us at E3 with FF13vs and Kingdom Hearts 3 on one blu ray disc for next year?
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
0%MasterTeacher said:
Callibretto
Member
Cep said:
I remember ps2 rpgs lacking in world map. let's see
Final Fantasy X
Suikoden 3
Breath of Fire dragon quarter
Xenosaga
Shadow Hearts
Wild Arms 4 (not sure if 3 still has world or not)
Tales of Legendia (not sure, but I don't think there's world map in legendia)
some of those are series from previous generation that always had world map that somehow ditch it in ps2 generation. I remember reading preview saying Wild Arms 4 won't have world map and my reaction was something like 'dammit, not another one'
Ploid 3.0
Member
Himuro said:
Well there will be FF14, there's White Knight Chronicles, Dragon Age.. I'm not sure if I could include Oblivion and Fallout 3, heck even Dragon Age probably shouldn't either, western games and all. I haven't played Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Star Ocean 4, or Mass Effect. Although I watched ME2 on youtube, it has big ships/towns it seem.
Once again, it goes beyond making new backgrounds. They'd have to do new completely new character models to match the backgrounds, redo every single movie, probably rework the script to fall more in line with the Compilation retcons, add in voice acting (because there's no way they are remaking this game without it, unless it is on DS and that's even that could feature voice acting), retooling the gameplay, and a bunch of other shit that you aren't even taking into consideration.Gouty said:
paperheart
Banned
I've watched my friend play Fallout 3, and it was large scale, detailed nicely, and it wasn't linear. Well, from what I saw it wasn't linear anyways. I remember watching YouTube videos a while back of Lost Odyssey too, and it had towns. Regarding your other post, I would take a blow to the graphics just so that I could explore in an RPG. I like pretty graphics and all, but if Final Fantasy XII can look the way it did on the Playstation 2, then I'm sure Square Enix are capable of making a Final Fantasy with the same wow factor this generation.Himuro said:
lastinline said:
You're assuming they wanted to make the game feature towns in the first place? You're assuming they didn't, instead, want to make it as cinematic as possible by removing virtually all exploration? Call me paranoid, but I still doubt this whole, "We couldn't include 'em 'cause they're hard!" stuff. I just think they want to make movies more than they do actual game content, at least when it comes to FF titles.
Ploid 3.0 said:
The problem is that most people demanding an FF VII remake don't think like you. They want an entire game that looks like that FF VII PS3 demo, with the entire world fully-modelled in 3D. Give them a PS3 remake that has graphics on par with, say, Crisis Core for the PSP, and they'll bitch and moan that Square was 'too cheap' to give the game a 'proper' remake. (Nevermind that what they're expecting would probably cost way more to produce than they'd actually make back in sales - at least with an MMO, the steep investment in assets would be made up over time in subscription fees.) Produce a remake like that for the PSP, where you can still produce a game with PS2-quality assets and have it look comparatively good, and they'll bitch that Square isn't releasing it for a 'real' system. Most of them seem to have no real grasp of what's reasonable - they just know they want an HD FF VII remake that looks like that PS3 demo reel, and it's only because 'Square is lazy' and they're 'not trying hard enough' that they're not getting one.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Ever since the first generational jump, there has been the worries of "graphics over gameplay"... Often this was just the crazed rantings of oldschoolers afraid of a few cutscenes...
It's really sad that at Square Enix this gen, that concern is actually quite a reality: we are getting games with less gameplay due to the resources needed to bring graphics up to HD standards.. That's depressing.
I will take a less pretty game if we get huge world-spanning explorative RPGs like in the old days.
It was always my view that RPGs used to be like this anyway. Until FFVII, I never saw RPGs as graphically cutting edge. They used simple squat sprites, they reused tilesets all over the place. Cutscenes really required your imagination to come together. I used to perceive RPGs as necessarily simple looking games.. Such huge games that they couldn't focus on spectacular graphics. I didn't think FFVI was as pretty as it's contemporaries in other genres. Sure the assets it reused all over the place were simple and charming.. It was certainly quality for what it was, but it didn't look as immediately good as Super Metroid, Donkey Kong Country, Super Street Fighter II, Yoshis Island... FFVI was clearly pixels, artistic and charming pixels, but no one would think it was trying to look especially realistic. My first reaction to it was nothing close to visual awe, and it was a game which won me over based on gameplay, story and overall scope. It was actually like a girl I learned to love for what's inside.. despite rather average looks.
Then VII comes along and all of a sudden FF is supposed to be the high benchmark of graphics for all time. Great, but now the level of tech we have reached actually threatens to cripple those games which have the demand placed on them to be the best. It's ironic we can't even replicate FFVII itself because of the high graphical expectations that it actually started....
It's really sad that at Square Enix this gen, that concern is actually quite a reality: we are getting games with less gameplay due to the resources needed to bring graphics up to HD standards.. That's depressing.
I will take a less pretty game if we get huge world-spanning explorative RPGs like in the old days.
It was always my view that RPGs used to be like this anyway. Until FFVII, I never saw RPGs as graphically cutting edge. They used simple squat sprites, they reused tilesets all over the place. Cutscenes really required your imagination to come together. I used to perceive RPGs as necessarily simple looking games.. Such huge games that they couldn't focus on spectacular graphics. I didn't think FFVI was as pretty as it's contemporaries in other genres. Sure the assets it reused all over the place were simple and charming.. It was certainly quality for what it was, but it didn't look as immediately good as Super Metroid, Donkey Kong Country, Super Street Fighter II, Yoshis Island... FFVI was clearly pixels, artistic and charming pixels, but no one would think it was trying to look especially realistic. My first reaction to it was nothing close to visual awe, and it was a game which won me over based on gameplay, story and overall scope. It was actually like a girl I learned to love for what's inside.. despite rather average looks.
Then VII comes along and all of a sudden FF is supposed to be the high benchmark of graphics for all time. Great, but now the level of tech we have reached actually threatens to cripple those games which have the demand placed on them to be the best. It's ironic we can't even replicate FFVII itself because of the high graphical expectations that it actually started....
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Callibretto said:
Wild Arms 3 and Legendia had a world map. Also, I'm pretty sure Suikoden 5 had one (don't remember with 4).
That's probably one of the lamest excuses I've heard. It's not like they only use unique assets for every single environment in their games.
Besides, they already have highly detailed highpoly assets of environments, characters and what not that are already textured since Advent Children.
Bake it all down, Squeenix!
They basically have at least half the work already done in advance, FOC of course, if they now decide to make a remake of ff7 that is... I guess they're just afraid it's not going to sell well. :lol
Besides, they already have highly detailed highpoly assets of environments, characters and what not that are already textured since Advent Children.
Bake it all down, Squeenix!
They basically have at least half the work already done in advance, FOC of course, if they now decide to make a remake of ff7 that is... I guess they're just afraid it's not going to sell well. :lol
Epic Tier 3 Engineer
Banned
Bullshit.
With that said, if he's so focused on the business of the towns, I don't have much faith in his ability to put together a great game. RPGs are full of infinite animation loops and repeating dialogue, and none of it looks particularly realistic. Just do it, it doesn't have to be flawless.
And it's not like the foundation of the game isn't already in place.
I don't believe a word these guys say. The game is impossible to make until they decide to make it, it's that simple. It seems like they have a new explanation as to why they're not making it every week.
With that said, if he's so focused on the business of the towns, I don't have much faith in his ability to put together a great game. RPGs are full of infinite animation loops and repeating dialogue, and none of it looks particularly realistic. Just do it, it doesn't have to be flawless.
And it's not like the foundation of the game isn't already in place.
I don't believe a word these guys say. The game is impossible to make until they decide to make it, it's that simple. It seems like they have a new explanation as to why they're not making it every week.
Rahxephon91
Banned
The FFVII remake you guys keep talking about sounds bad.
No a FFVII remake should be a re imagining of FFVII. It shouldn't be a frame by frame upscale/HD remix of FFVII. It should be a new game that takes and removes the good and bad of FFVII. Not something like the DS remakes and not something like MGS: Twin Snakes. A more up to date version with the same word, story(tweaked a bit/ a lot), and characters.
Regardless it doesn't sound like oh because of graphics we can't do towns. Sounds more like its harder to do the towns in the scale that FFVII had them in a way that would be acceptable these days.
If FFVII was made to day, for Midgar to be as awesome was, it would have to be huge, have so much going on it, and just have so much detail. Today people would not except 3 buildings on the screen with 4 npcs saying the same thing.
No a FFVII remake should be a re imagining of FFVII. It shouldn't be a frame by frame upscale/HD remix of FFVII. It should be a new game that takes and removes the good and bad of FFVII. Not something like the DS remakes and not something like MGS: Twin Snakes. A more up to date version with the same word, story(tweaked a bit/ a lot), and characters.
Regardless it doesn't sound like oh because of graphics we can't do towns. Sounds more like its harder to do the towns in the scale that FFVII had them in a way that would be acceptable these days.
If FFVII was made to day, for Midgar to be as awesome was, it would have to be huge, have so much going on it, and just have so much detail. Today people would not except 3 buildings on the screen with 4 npcs saying the same thing.
DarknessTear
Banned
Rahxephon91 said:
Meh if they reimagined it it probably wouldn't have the awesome humor it has now.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Well I still have my faith in Nomura since I've finished more games that he's been involved with. :lol
Callibretto
Member
cosmicblizzard said:
I know suikoden 5 had world map. my point is, some of those are long running series that always have world map, and having one is a given, but in ps2 era, they start to try or at least made an attempt to get away from world map.
I was just under impression that nowadays, worldmap is nowhere near the standard as it was in the old days.