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[FyreWulff]

Lets just do everything

this will only costs 2799$ to print at Kinko's

 

[butzopower]

This reminds me of resistor band colors in my early EE days.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

I think they're muddling the message a bit here.

 

[NH Apache]

Developed at an ad agency. That's probably the biggest thing to me.

Poor Gilbert Baker.

 

[Poppy]

how about we just make the whole flag violet since thats the best color anyway

 

[Foffy]

It seems tacky and just stomping the colors on top doesn't seem to match the "flow" that the rainbow band does.

Having one color on top and the other on bottom would probably help fit the symbolism of the flag as something of unity than it coming off as New LGBT to beat old LGBT.

 

[Aiii]

The rainbow flag already represented every human being, regardless of color, sex, or sexual orientation. Changing it feels like going against the spirit of the flag and movement.

people of color should feel just as included in the original flag as anyone else, without needing to adapt it.

 

[mr2xxx]

If black and brown represent the Black and Hispanic communities that have been forgotten in terms of LGBT representation...Does that mean that red and yellow represent the native American and Asian communities? Do these communities even want to be represented by those colors, if not what color?

 

[Ri'Orius]

Cool.

As with many things, White was already there implicitly. It's the sum of all the other colors.

By that logic wasn't brown in there already, too? I've never been great with colors, but I'm pretty sure some combination of the others will give you brown.

 

[Escape Goat]

Developed at an ad agency. That's probably the biggest thing to me.

Poor Gilbert Baker.

In any event it's a good way to start the conversation. So good work ad agency?

 

[ZeroX03]

White on top and black on the bottom? Yeah that might go over so well.

 

[Zomba13]

White is Right huh?

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

I thought the rainbow of colors meant inclusion of everybody already?

 

[Alcotholic]

I don't know. I feel the flag already represents all races, because it's implying a rainbow of people. Unless it specifically represented European white LGBT people.
It's already the most inclusive flag.

 

[daemonic]

I thought the rainbow of colors meant inclusion of everybody already?

It does, and the colours are meant to be symbolic, not meant to represent each race.

 

[Sai-kun]

I don't like it. The old flag is so iconic and integrated in our community and this will only further ostracize POC from the LGBT community. Do more to make POC feel welcome in the community instead of adding brown and black to a flag

non poc are mostly who ostracize poc from the community, not a symbolic flag.

this is cool. and made by queer poc so it doesn't feel patronizing to me.

 

[Dr. Malik]

This makes it more about race than being LGBT+

but whatever its only in Philly which has a race problem

 

[O Canada Our Home and Native Land]

In any event it's a good way to start the arguments. So good work ad agency?

fixed

 

[Xe4]

By that logic wasn't brown in there already, too? I've never been great with colors, but I'm pretty sure some combination of the others will give you brown.

Brown is a mix of green and red light. Technically black is the only color that is not possible in the electromagnetic spectrum because black is an absence of visible light. You won't see brown light in a rainbow because the refraction is so much that red and green have no ability to mix.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

The top part looks German if you cross your eyes.

 

[JCX]

This looks much better. Not a fan of the current one.

 

[ZeroX03]

White is Right huh?

Surely we can all agree this is a good flag

 

[ZeoVGM]

Okay, but if that is the logic than more than one particular "color" is missing.

I know this comment will be unpopular and Eurogaf here, but the logic should be logic.

So you're just going to post this and leave without explaining it?

 

[Generalpsyduck]

Looks terrible

 

[DrSlek]

The rainbow flag already represented every human being, regardless of color, sex, or sexual orientation. Changing it feels like going against the spirit of the flag and movement.

Colored people should feel just as included in the original flag as anyone else, without needing to adapt it.

Whoa there, buddy!

 

[greepoman]

Why does black/brown get the smallest amount of area?

 

[lamaroo]

Surely we can all agree this is a good flag

Black hole, swallowing everything?

 

[Heroman]

About Damn time black got added

 

[MsKrisp]

I like it

Yes but the rest of the rainbow sorta represents white because white light is just all the colors combined

So even in electromagnetic radiation white people can't recognize they are represented everywhere

Amazing lol

 

[Xe4]

Black hole, swallowing everything?

Kind of dark when you think of it. Maybe that should be the universe's flag since that is likely going to be the fate of matter in the far off future. Either floating around in nothingness or eaten by a black hole.

 

[Kinyou]

Makes me think of the german flag

 

[Drencrom]

Looks really bad tbh, it's not even a rainbow now

Also, isn't the rainbow supposed to represent diversity in the first place eitherway and not litterally have the colors represent people?

 

[DrSlek]

About Damn time black got added

Technically black should be the only colour on the flag, since it is made up of every pigment.

 

[Escape Goat]

Looks really bad tbh, it's not even a rainbow now

Also, isn't the rainbow supposed to represent diversity in the first place eitherway and not litterally have the colors represent people?

They're drawing attention to an issue.

 

[TTOOLL]

No, it doesn't make sense at all actually.

I'll preface this by saying I'm a brown, gay man. There is much to be said about how people of color are treated in the LGBT community. That is, not particularly well; there is a clear higharchy: whites at the top, blacks at the bottom and everyone else in between. I do believe this needs to be tackled, and that it often gets swept under the rug.

I do not like this new flag however. In fact, I might just actively hate it. The first reason is a bit shallow: its ugly. You have the rainbow.... and then black and brown. It doesn't fit and it doesn't really look nice.

The second, more important reason is that the pride flag does not explicitly include ethnicites and thats the point. Its supposed to be a sign of welcome for everyone. This betrays that completely. By adding black and brown, they are taking away from that underlying theme.

What about Asians (Which itself is a group of a wide range of unique cultures) ? What about Latinos? First Nations? Shouldn't they get representation here too? Thats the problem this flag introduces, and its a problem the original avoids by design. The original flag implicitly includes everyone by explicitly including no one. This flag explicitly includes only two groups and therefore explicitly excludes everyone who doesn't get their own color. I see this as leading to quite the slippery slope where everyone else needs their own color on one flag and suddenly we have just as many colors as we have in the LGBT*.... acronym (which is to say, a lot).

Different ethnic groups are not supposed to have their own color on the flag because it betrays the point of the flag, which is to unify. This divides. This reminds us how fractured the LGBT community is. Now, maybe to some thats a good thing. It shows people how far we have to go. But that turns it into a symbol of negativity, wheres its supposed to by a symbol of happiness and well, pride.



This. It feels like scraps. Like "Ok, sure if you insist, you can have your own special place on the flag, separate from the rest of us"

Very well said.

 

[bebop242]

Looks really bad tbh, it's not even a rainbow now

Also, isn't the rainbow supposed to represent diversity in the first place eitherway and not litterally have the colors represent people?

That's my thought as well. This doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Grakl]

Aesthetically awful. I appreciate the symbolism but the flag needs to look good

 

[Aiii]

Whoa there, buddy!

My apologies, I am not American or a native English speaker, my apologies, I guess it should be people of color, then? Mea culpa.

 

[Ash735]

"Everyone UNDER THE RAINBOW"

Way to miss the point of the original flag there.

 

[Transhuman]

I don't like it.

Gay Russian, gay Asian, gay Australian: gay is gay. There's a flag for that already.

 

[DrSlek]

My apologies, I am not American or a native English speaker, my apologies, I guess it should be people of color, then? Mea culpa.

Nah, I was just being sarcastic dude.

 

[Xe4]

My apologies, I am not American or a native English speaker, my apologies, I guess it should be people of color, then? Mea culpa.

In America, black people are just called black. People of color kind of has a bit of negative history, I think. It's not the biggest deal.

Anyways, you didn't know better, no harm no foul. I had to be corrected a few times as well.

Technically black should be the only colour on the flag, since it is made up of every pigment.

If it's a rainbow flag, it should technically be possible to put only white on the flag, but black should not be on there. It's a silly argument anyhow. It's a flag, color it however the fuck you want.

 

[DrSlek]

In America, black people are just called black. People of color kind of has a bit of negative history, I think. It's not the biggest deal.

Anyways, you didn't know better, no harm no foul. I had to be corrected a few times as well.

"Coloured people" has the negative history, but "People of colour" is apparently the accepted vernacular nowadays...I think.

I'm probably wrong.

 

[Aiii]

Nah, I was just being sarcastic dude.

ah good, it is hard to keep up with this stuff sometimes as an outsider. :lol

 

[Skellig Gra]

Seems like they are mixing messages. The original flag includes everyone already. Might be more effective to come up with a brand new symbol to represent their cause.

 

[Javier23]

If the flag has an international vocation, and it certainly does, how does it exactly make sense in countries where black and brown people actually make up the ethnic majority?

I guess the purpose is noble, but it only really makes sense within the USA if the message is for minority inclusion.

 

[LostMyNarbles]

I do not want to sound ignorant by echoing exactly what she says about white people in the article, but I really thought the original flag is meant to be inclusive towards everybody regardless of their race, gender, and sexual orientation.

 

[Escape Goat]

Seems like they are mixing messages. The original flag includes everyone already. Might be more effective to come up with a brand new symbol to represent their cause.

It fits their message perfectly. Everyones noticing the black and brown. Whether you like it or hate it, youre paying attentioj to it. They're trying to talk about visibility of people of color. I don't think they intended it to be a symbol for the entire community.

 

[KillLaCam]

This is pretty stupid. Isnt the point of the rainbow flag to say that it includes everyone under the rainbow. Everyone already means everyone.


But if thats not the point then I think its a good design

 

[HellforLeather]

I refuse to believe that a gay person came up with a flag that looks so....tacky.