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LOST 06.07: "Dr. Linus" (108. Solo)

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beelzebozo

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bionic77 said:
I disagree. I would have liked to see that his faith was ultimately rewarded.
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i kind of like the idea that the show is willing to present the reality that not only is faith not always rewarded, it's often misguided and punished.
 
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Yaweee

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Tim-E said:
How in the Sam Fuck is Parenthood ahead of Lost?
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Lost staged a late game comeback against Fringe. I'm expecting the same against Parenthood (at this point last week, Lost was losing at 40%.
 
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bionic77

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beelzebozo said:
i kind of like the idea that the show is willing to present the reality that not only is faith not always rewarded, it's often misguided and punished.
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Do it with someone other than Locke!

Also, show is not over. There are still 9 episodes left for Locke to be redeemed.

And your view of faith is pretty consistent with your nickname. :lol
 
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beelzebozo

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bionic77 said:
Do it with someone other than Locke!

Also, show is not over. There are still 9 episodes left for Locke to be redeemed.

And your view of faith is pretty consistent with your nickname. :lol
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:lol

that's not my view of ALL faith! some faith is rewarded, some isn't. it's just a toss-up.

you play with smoke, you get burned.
 
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bionic77

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beelzebozo said:
:lol

that's not my view of ALL faith! some faith is rewarded, some isn't. it's just a toss-up.

you play with smoke, you get burned.
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So to put words in your mouth, are you saying that the island is evil?

It sure seems that anyone that puts their faith in the island gets screwed in the end. Locke lost his life and cost the lives of several of his friends. Ben as was so well done in the last episode lost his daughter (which he kind of stole).
 
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SpeedingUptoStop

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I can accept the Boss being officially put out to pasture. But all the teasing and shit, no real "he is dead and gone" confirmation from the writers, when they confirm all kinds of other shit....really inclines me to get my hopes up.
 
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beelzebozo

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SpeedingUptoStop said:
I can accept the Boss being officially put out to pasture. But all the teasing and shit, no real "he is dead and gone" confirmation from the writers, when they confirm all kinds of other shit....really inclines me to get my hopes up.
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i kind of agree.

you know, on the topic of locke, has anyone pursued the line of thought that the locke we see during "dr. linus" is somehow flocke? i know i said something in passing about the fact that he seems to propel ben toward having to make the choice between his power and alex even in the x universe, but nobody really seemed interested; yesterday my friend presented that idea to me independently, and it brought it back up. there was something really strange about the way locke smiled at him, and the way he seemed to legitimize his desire for power and attention in much the same way he did in "the incident."

there's lots to contradict this, or at least much to work through to consider it a possibility or a facet of the truth, but i think it's worth exploring.
 
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gdt

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beelzebozo said:
i kind of agree.

you know, on the topic of locke, has anyone pursued the line of thought that the locke we see during "dr. linus" is somehow flocke? i know i said something in passing about the fact that he seems to propel ben toward having to make the choice between his power and alex even in the x universe, but nobody really seemed interested; yesterday my friend presented that idea to me independently, and it brought it back up. there was something really strange about the way locke smiled at him, and the way he seemed to legitimize his desire for power and attention in much the same way he did in "the incident."

there's lots to contradict this, or at least much to work through to consider it a possibility or a facet of the truth, but i think it's worth exploring.
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Nah, I see it more as Locke X is (in many ways) a happier person. Generally not as sour or angry either.

Thats how he was able to quickly connect with and cheer up Jack X, same as Ben X.
 
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beelzebozo

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it could just be a manifestation of the x universe paralleling the island timeline, regardless of smokey's involvement i guess. but i found the fact that he had to choose between his power and alex again, and that he was nudged toward that by locke, very very interesting.
 
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SpeedingUptoStop

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there's some verbal evidence, but the fact that there really is no physical evidence (straight out doing un-locke shit) really doesn't give a whole lot of water to the idea. I doubt MiB's big scheme was to bang Helen Norwood.


Although I wouldn't put it past him, GOD.DAM.
 
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beelzebozo

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have we ever had a flashback/flashforward/flashsideways where the character we're seeing in the alternate story is someone BESIDES who we're seeing on the island?
 
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gdt

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beelzebozo said:
have we ever had a flashback/flashforward/flashsideways where the character we're seeing in the alternate story is someone BESIDES who we're seeing on the island?
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Technically, "Follow the Leader" is a dual Jack/Locke episode from Richard's point of view.
 
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NimbusD

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Nameless said:
Watched "The Incident" and "LA X" back to back. Too much awesomeness for a 3 hour stretch. That scene between Jack and Kate right before Jack charges the Swan was especially cool. Jack and Kate's back and forth about Claire if things reset.. Jack: "If this works than Aaron and Claire will always be together" Kate: "She was going to LA to give him up for adoption." Jack: "You don't know what she would've done"

Of course we see what would've happened and in that context it's really fuckin cool. Kate is there for Claire and suggest that she raise Aaron, in the X time line.

It's damn near 5:am, this bottle of Vodka has almost been claimed and I'm on a serious LOST kick . About to watch Greatest Hits and if I'm up for it The Constant.
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Yeah I've been on a random LOST episode watching spree. Just whenever a scene from an earlier episode pops in my head due to a slight reference or an altered perspective due to new information, I watch said episode.

Last night I watched 'Cabin Fever'. It's so awesome seeing them subtly setting up for what would be a crazy fucking season of time traveling shenanigans by showing how deep Jacob/The Other's involvement was in Lockes whole life. Not to mention that was only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to just how meddling Jacob's been in the grand scheme of things anyway.
 
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Yaweee

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I'm still most curious about Widmore's role in the show. Last week I predicted that he would take the offer that was made to Ben, to take control of the island.

But Ben was the pretender. Widmore supposedly "knows who [Ben] is" and likely knows more about Jacob and the island's mysteries. Would he really ally himself with the smoke monster for the sake of power?
 
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TheGreatDave

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Yaweee said:
I'm still most curious about Widmore's role in the show. Last week I predicted that he would take the offer that was made to Ben, to take control of the island.

But Ben was the pretender. Widmore supposedly "knows who [Ben] is" and likely knows more about Jacob and the island's mysteries. Would he really ally himself with the smoke monster for the sake of power?
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I think Widmore's main role now is bringing Desmond to the island (the Island isn't done with him, and Widmore has failed to find the island in the past, so I think this is how he's finally managed to get there) and bringing a submarine as a plot device for Smokey to try and escape the island. His personal motivation is the same as ever, trying to reclaim the island, but this show doesn't tend to reward that kind of thinking.
 
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Archaix

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duckroll said:
Okay, the rules are really quite simple (and this is less of like, stuff I'm deciding one my own and more of what I feel most people who post on the Lost threads agree on, so correct me if there's a misconception here):

- Discussing previews, press releases, interviews, podcasts, other official material is fine. If something feels a little bit spoilery, you might want to tag it out of respect for some... errr... "more sensitive" people posting here. *cough* Last week's preview was a good example, where the preview is like LOL OMG BEN MIGHT DIE!

I'm really just trying to help enforce an environment here where everyone can be happy and just post about the show. It's the last season, we're not going to be able to do this weekly ever again, so there's no point fighting each other over stupid stuff and everyone getting mad over shit. :)
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Just want to raise the issue now-I'm definitely one of the "more sensitive" people here and would be done with the thread until the series finale airs if we aren't staying with the rule of no untagged talk of anything that hasn't aired on screen yet. Whether it's previews, podcasts, official interviews, press materials, etc. If you are blindly speculating on it, then it shouldn't need to be tagged. If it's based on any knowledge of something that hasn't aired yet in an episode, then it should be. That's my two cents, at least.

Either way I'm glad to see rules in place, though, because I'd disappeared from the thread each Wednesday because it pretty much descends into chaos without something firm.
 
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TheGreatDave

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Tim-E said:
I think there should be a rule against people posting things that happened three seasons ago in spoiler tags.
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And people posting their stupid theories in spoiler tags.

Locke is going to explode out of the volcano like a boss and eat Man In Black
 
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Meier

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Surely mentioned already, but anyone else get kind of a creepy vibe when Alex came over to sit next to Ben? I was waiting for the porn music to kick in..
 
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Tim-E

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Meier said:
Surely mentioned already, but anyone else get kind of a creepy vibe when Alex came over to sit next to Ben? I was waiting for the porn music to kick in..
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For about 5 seconds I was expecting a love story between them.
 
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SpeedingUptoStop

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TheGreatDave said:
And people posting their stupid theories in spoiler tags.

Locke is going to explode out of the volcano like a boss and eat Man In Black
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SOMEBODY'S been reading DarkUFO....
 
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Meier

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R.e. Alex and Ben:

I was disappointed he gave up his chance at the new job for her... do we think he knows she's his daughter in the flash sideways? I'm assuming so but it's hard to say where knowledge of the island cuts off.
 
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beelzebozo

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Meier said:
R.e. Alex and Ben:

I was disappointed he gave up his chance at the new job for her... do we think he knows she's his daughter in the flash sideways? I'm assuming so but it's hard to say where knowledge of the island cuts off.
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ben isn't alex's real dad. clearly he has a relationship with her that's very close, however, not unlike his role as an adoptive father on the island.

i wasn't disappointed by that choice at all though. i thought that was an interesting clue as to the nature of the x timeline.
 
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Javaman

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Tim-E said:
It's just so fitting that he died the way and when he did. Poor guy. I don't want him to return and be a triumphant hero because that would just be too convenient and boring (boss or not).
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Especially since he couldn't kill himself while on or off island. (like Micheal) It took someone else to do it. It's amazing how badly Ben messed up. Not only killing Locke, creating a vessal for MIB, but also Jacob. The whole war was basically due to his actions.
 
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gdt

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Does anyone read Evangeline Lilly's twitter?

http://twitter.com/Evie_Lilly

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Edit: Emilie de Ravin's, http://twitter.com/Emilie_deRavin

Edit2: Josh Holloway, http://twitter.com/Josh_Holloway
 
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komarkaze

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Javaman said:
Especially since he couldn't kill himself while on or off island. (like Micheal) It took someone else to do it. It's amazing how badly Ben messed up. Not only killing Locke, creating a vessal for MIB, but also Jacob. The whole war was basically due to his actions.
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Ben was the key factor to Jacob's death, but it wasn't like Jacob didn't let things happen to lead to this event. Though Ben was the leader of The Others, Jacob never spoke to him. Jacob has the power to heal people or make them immortal, but Ben had his tumor and he needed Jack to fix him. Of course, things became really bad with Alex's death which made Ben easier to manipulate on Smokey's behalf.

When Jacob told Hurley and Jack to go to the lighthouse, Hurley asked him why he didn't appear to Jack, and Jacob basically said he tells each person what he needs to hear to decide what to do. For Hurley, it's as simple as talking directly, and with Jack, he had to show his old home. For Ben, Jacob easily could have chosen to talk to him directly as that's what Ben always needed to be loyal. He ignored Ben instead, and that's what led him to getting killed. It's as much Jacob's fault as it is Ben's.
 
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krameriffic

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TheGreatDave said:
MIB is more fun to watch than Locke. And you know, they killed Locke off at the perfect time. His character wouldn't work if he was right, or if people believed him, and he was around to bask in the glory.
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I just can't help thinking that the real Locke's storyline (not in the sideways) is NOT over yet. He was too important throughout the entire development of the show, and the rather unsubtle "don't tell me what I can't do!" shout by Flocke a couple episodes ago really sparked my interest. It's hard for me to buy that there's no Locke left.
 
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Calcaneus

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Apparently you can watch this episode at ABC.com with a Michael Emerson text commentary running on the side. Did they do that for any other episode?
 
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Catalix

And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
krameriffic said:
I just can't help thinking that the real Locke's storyline (not in the sideways) is NOT over yet. He was too important throughout the entire development of the show, and the rather unsubtle "don't tell me what I can't do!" shout by Flocke a couple episodes ago really sparked my interest. It's hard for me to buy that there's no Locke left.
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You guys are probably gonna get your wish anyway :|

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"They didn't lose your father, they just lost his body."

FORESHADOWING
 
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TheGreatDave

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krameriffic said:
I just can't help thinking that the real Locke's storyline (not in the sideways) is NOT over yet. He was too important throughout the entire development of the show, and the rather unsubtle "don't tell me what I can't do!" shout by Flocke a couple episodes ago really sparked my interest. It's hard for me to buy that there's no Locke left.
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There's 9 weeks left, let's hope they can avoid such a shark jump move as bringing back John Locke.
 
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BuggyDClown

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Locke is dead. he was a fool and a tool. How is that not obvious to anyone.

He was wrong before, and he is dead now. He was never special, he only thought he was because the others treated him so, because t was the MIB's plan for manipulation. The others only thought he was special because he told them that back through time,a dn it's a vicous cycle of manipulation and stupidity. Locke was a told and singlehandedly was the puppet of the MIB whom used him like a domino to wipe out 90% of the island inhabitants as we know it.

Locke was wrong. Game over. He's dead.
 
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RevoDS

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TheGreatDave said:
There's 9 weeks left, let's hope they can avoid such a shark jump move as bringing back John Locke.
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I wouldn't put it past them to bring John Locke X to the original timeline when the two inevitably merge, effectively resurrecting him.
 
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TheGreatDave

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RevoDS said:
I wouldn't put it past them to bring John Locke X to the original timeline when the two inevitably merge, effectively resurrecting him.
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I really don't think they'll "merge" in that way. They relate to each other, and there's an element of inevitable course correction, but I don't think memories or people will transfer between the two.
 
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InaudibleWhispa

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HenryGale said:
Locke is dead. he was a fool and a tool. How is that not obvious to anyone.

He was wrong before, and he is dead now. He was never special, he only thought he was because the others treated him so, because t was the MIB's plan for manipulation. The others only thought he was special because he told them that back through time,a dn it's a vicous cycle of manipulation and stupidity. Locke was a told and singlehandedly was the puppet of the MIB whom used him like a domino to wipe out 90% of the island inhabitants as we know it.

Locke was wrong. Game over. He's dead.
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You can hardly call him a fool for falling for the manipulation of a seemingly deistic being with such powers. Many other people have been manipulated and fooled by him, the audience included. The fact is Locke was, at the time, the only person who had pure faith and belief in the island. Naively so, sure, but I've no doubt if it wasn't for MIB's meddling he'd be Jacob's front runner candidate.
 
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TheGreatDave

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Locke's backstory has never shown him to be a leader, or a man that makes smart decisions. He'd be a terrible Jacob! One of Locke's character flaws is he's too short sighted.
 
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