Gully State
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Millionaire tries to get $829 via kickstarter to send daughter to RPG maker camp?
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foobarry81
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Going by this comment it´s about funding other people´s lives as well:
Smart, it will somewhat rub off the "rich-person-wants-even-more" image. Now she´s a "giver", even though it´s still other people´s money.
TheSpoiler
Member
LOL
Her best friend added me on Twitter, tweeted those two ignorance articles at me, and then un-added me in the span of two days.
That sure showed me what's up!
Her best friend added me on Twitter, tweeted those two ignorance articles at me, and then un-added me in the span of two days.
That sure showed me what's up!
foobarry81
Member
A little off topic, but in the UK the crowd/ tax payer is also funding someone´s life:
[oh, apparently that newspaper is blocked here]
In short, the story: this woman, Josie Cunningham, has no breasts at all. Goes to a doctor, says she suffers from emotional distress and can´t go to beaches. So they arrange for a boob job. She gets a D cup paid for by the National Health Service.
Can we expect some of this on KS as well, now that Susan Wilson´s project got greenlighted?
[oh, apparently that newspaper is blocked here]
In short, the story: this woman, Josie Cunningham, has no breasts at all. Goes to a doctor, says she suffers from emotional distress and can´t go to beaches. So they arrange for a boob job. She gets a D cup paid for by the National Health Service.
Can we expect some of this on KS as well, now that Susan Wilson´s project got greenlighted?
Aquamarine
Member
So I pledged $1 to her Kickstarter so I can comment on it + see the "backer-only" updates.
Don't worry GAF-ites, I will be withdrawing it close to the pledge deadline. This woman is NOT getting any of my money.
But since I don't respect her in the slightest, here's her latest, backer-only update.
Don't worry GAF-ites, I will be withdrawing it close to the pledge deadline. This woman is NOT getting any of my money.
But since I don't respect her in the slightest, here's her latest, backer-only update.
I wonder why people are more than pleased to give Susan Wilson their money to "put the money into a worthy cause" and in the process let Kickstarter take the 5% cut of that rather than donate that money to charity themselves.
Oh right, because this way they can make a bold statement.
foobarry81
Member
So, we got the Keep Up brand, the PinkieSquare brand and she wants to make it an annual event? Wouldn´t that be cool?
Also she´s handing out some peanuts to poor indie devs. Classy.
I thought this was about making a game.
Edit: however I think the PinkieSquare thing could actually be a good idea, if it would become a viable platform where kids could meet up with game devs and learn. This whole project should´ve been about that instead of how it all started now. And I still don´t think Susan Wilson is the right person to run such a platform.
"My daughter wants to prove she can make a game, so we're going to hire a bunch of people to make it for her."
Ah lordy.
Mom manages to turn daughter's project into an exciting new business venture for her! On the one hand, the actual end result may be good. On the other, this is clearly a woman who's been trying to get crowd funding to support her next project for years (since the kinkos.com thing made her hate venture capitalists), and it's difficult to not be extremely cynical about her leveraging her daughter into a way to get herself a new project. Entrepreneurs gonna entrepreneur.
So, we got the Keep Up brand, the PinkieSquare brand and she wants to make it an annual event? Wouldn´t that be cool?
Also she´s handing out some peanuts to poor indie devs. Classy.
I thought this was about making a game.
Edit: however I think the PinkieSquare thing could actually be a good idea, if it would become a viable platform where kids could meet up with game devs and learn. This whole project should´ve been about that instead of how it all started now. And I still don´t think Susan Wilson is the right person to run such a platform.
Yes she is. She is a pro at buying domain names.
Her daughter is a pro at game development (once she takes the class), and her sons are pros at being the brats that the internet needs for motivation. Her husband seems to be staying out of this one.
foobarry81
Member
The hubby is a pro at handling the indiegogo cash flow.
foobarry81
Member
It would´ve been fine if she had done this from the getgo, and out in the open.
Also I feel like this wasn´t what she had planned originally. It feels like this is coming from the devs she has been in contact with, like Brenda Brathwaite.
What´s funny is that the gender issue no longer seems to be an issue for her now. Boys and girls alike can pay her... can join the jolly crowd on PinkieSquare.com.
moka
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Oh great, another terrible GoDaddy website incoming.
Seriously though, she wants to hire designers and developers to help build this?
Oh man. I don't even know what to say anymore.
So basically her daughter is going to be commanding some mega-underpaid designers and developers. To be honest I think it would have been better to just stick with her going to the camp and making the game, on her own. Now it's even worse. They're raising money so she can go to camp, learn to make games and they're using the extra money to get professionals to make the end product for her. Sure, Mrs. Wilson says that her daughter is going to be 'lead' and it's her 'vision' but who are we kidding? She's 9.
This sure is going to be entertaining, if nothing else.
Seriously though, she wants to hire designers and developers to help build this?
Oh man. I don't even know what to say anymore.
So I pledged $1 to her Kickstarter so I can comment on it + see the "backer-only" pledges.
Don't worry GAF-ites, I will be withdrawing it close to the pledge deadline. This woman is NOT getting any of my money.
But since I don't respect her in the slightest, here's her latest, backer-only update.
So basically her daughter is going to be commanding some mega-underpaid designers and developers. To be honest I think it would have been better to just stick with her going to the camp and making the game, on her own. Now it's even worse. They're raising money so she can go to camp, learn to make games and they're using the extra money to get professionals to make the end product for her. Sure, Mrs. Wilson says that her daughter is going to be 'lead' and it's her 'vision' but who are we kidding? She's 9.
This sure is going to be entertaining, if nothing else.
foobarry81
Member
Up until now, has she actually done anything by herself? There is a pattern about having other people fund this for her, bring on the ideas, and now implement the "vision" of a 9yo girl. I´m sure those devs will be thrilled to have to listen to the ever changing opinion of a priviliged kid.
Gully State
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HBIC training for a 9 year old...this'll be rich...
moka
Member
Brings the image of any number of films involving rich-privileged-spoilt kids to mind.
The options are giving a refund...or hiring people to make an RPG maker game instead of the girl who...
I'm out.
moka
Member
Yep, those are the only two options.
I don't think the boys ever did or said anything wrong. Even if they did tell precious little Kenzie that "a girl can't make a game", that pales in comparison to all the ridiculous pro-girl, anti-boy garbage continuously spewed from their mother's mouth and just possibly from their over-indulged sister's mouth.
moka
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I don't blame the girl, her main role model, her mother, is a misandrist. She thinks she's fighting for women, for equality, for feminism but really, she's just a man hater.
Really, all you have to do is look at her commenting, blogging and tweeting history. Her whole life is dedicated to women's rights which isn't a bad thing but I think this dedication has turned into some sort of obsession. She's blinded.
Girls rule! Boys drool.
chickdigger802
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22k... I'm not entirely sure how much talent you can hire with that.
I guess you can use to money to get her to go take a programming class instead of this rpg scam.
I guess you can use to money to get her to go take a programming class instead of this rpg scam.
PinkieSquare.com! That's the site we're going to use to document development of Kenzie's RPG. When Kenzie was little she couldn't say, pinky swear so she said, pinky square. The correctly spelled URL was taken but we got something close and Kenzie's jazzed - especially because while she has a neon pink streak in her hair, other than that, she refuses to wear pink.
Since we've had so many amazing industry vets and just smart people in general offer to mentor and advise Kenzie, we're going to set it up so that other kids can learn as she does with Expert Q&A sessions for example, podcasts about coding for kids, all sorts of information relevant to Kenzie building her game but packaged in a way that LOTS of kids can benefit from it and participate in the process. And of course it'll probably be non-stop Kenzie 24/7 for those interested in seeing what she really thinks and cares about.
We had two options with extra funds - make the game better or refund everything. Giving it to charity or scholarships is against KS guidelines. So Kenzie wants to use the money to make the coolest game possible (hiring artists, developers, etc. to help). We've got great established players that have volunteered so we're hoping this is a great chance to support some struggling indie developers, artists, etc. who need a little cash but truly care about the intent of what we're doing.
In addition, we'll soon be taking sign ups from 9-11 year olds interested in being beta testers.
And then, we're hoping to launch the game at a weekend Game Jam type event for kids. Of course, KS money won't be used for this so we'll be looking for corporate sponsors, industry vets and anyone else that cares about getting kids (boys and girls) into game development. Wouldn't it be cool if it was an annual event?
I can't say we have a development budget or plan to lay out for you at this moment but I wanted you to know where we're headed (and yes, we're working on both). Hopefully a number of you will want to stay involved in the creation process as we roll through the next three months.
Is it going to be tight? Yes, but remember this started small so I do think it's important to keep expectations in check. She's 9! Even if we use experts to help, Kenzie is still the lead on this and will be making the game. She'll get some help but ultimately it'll be her vision (which I imagine she doesn't even realize will need to be molded and crafted to create a story with great characters and ultimately a game she and lots of other kids will want to play.
Stretch goals remains a question and that's next on the list of things to figure out. But first we want to get PinkieSquare.com live tomorrow so we can get emails and a submission process started that does not involve FundHer (bc that's been the email address we've been using & I'm anxious to distance this project as much as possible).
Obviously there will be security and privacy precautions in place so rest assured that it won't be an open forum. But we are thinking about open architecture so it should be an exciting ride that doesn't end with one stop.
Fingers Crossed!
P.S. Beefjack just released this story: http://beefjack.com/features/the-best-and-worst-of-kickstarter-an-interview-with-susan-wilson/
Since we've had so many amazing industry vets and just smart people in general offer to mentor and advise Kenzie, we're going to set it up so that other kids can learn as she does with Expert Q&A sessions for example, podcasts about coding for kids, all sorts of information relevant to Kenzie building her game but packaged in a way that LOTS of kids can benefit from it and participate in the process. And of course it'll probably be non-stop Kenzie 24/7 for those interested in seeing what she really thinks and cares about.
We had two options with extra funds - make the game better or refund everything. Giving it to charity or scholarships is against KS guidelines. So Kenzie wants to use the money to make the coolest game possible (hiring artists, developers, etc. to help). We've got great established players that have volunteered so we're hoping this is a great chance to support some struggling indie developers, artists, etc. who need a little cash but truly care about the intent of what we're doing.
In addition, we'll soon be taking sign ups from 9-11 year olds interested in being beta testers.
And then, we're hoping to launch the game at a weekend Game Jam type event for kids. Of course, KS money won't be used for this so we'll be looking for corporate sponsors, industry vets and anyone else that cares about getting kids (boys and girls) into game development. Wouldn't it be cool if it was an annual event?
I can't say we have a development budget or plan to lay out for you at this moment but I wanted you to know where we're headed (and yes, we're working on both). Hopefully a number of you will want to stay involved in the creation process as we roll through the next three months.
Is it going to be tight? Yes, but remember this started small so I do think it's important to keep expectations in check. She's 9! Even if we use experts to help, Kenzie is still the lead on this and will be making the game. She'll get some help but ultimately it'll be her vision (which I imagine she doesn't even realize will need to be molded and crafted to create a story with great characters and ultimately a game she and lots of other kids will want to play.
Stretch goals remains a question and that's next on the list of things to figure out. But first we want to get PinkieSquare.com live tomorrow so we can get emails and a submission process started that does not involve FundHer (bc that's been the email address we've been using & I'm anxious to distance this project as much as possible).
Obviously there will be security and privacy precautions in place so rest assured that it won't be an open forum. But we are thinking about open architecture so it should be an exciting ride that doesn't end with one stop.
Fingers Crossed!
P.S. Beefjack just released this story: http://beefjack.com/features/the-best-and-worst-of-kickstarter-an-interview-with-susan-wilson/
foobarry81
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Susan Wilson said:
Why, Susan? What about girls in STEM?
Or did Kickstarter ask you to, because it´s competition (allthough not much of)?
foobarry81
Member
It´s a one month project by a 9yo in RPG Maker. How much programming can there be involved?
Miss.Selfdestruct
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This is the time when people that cannot afford University should turn to Kickstarter. Everybody always has a goal and can BS enough to make it presentable, right?
I hope to hell that The Judgement Group is one of the main corporate sponsor of the event, if it even occurs. Of course, that would require using her own money and we know the likelihood of that happening.
foobarry81
Member
So, a woman who negotiated a $100,000,000 deal, suddenly becomes this innocent house wife, oblivious of the value of money, that is tricked by someone else into creating a $10,000 stretch goal:
Susan Wilson said:
WOAW WOAW WAOW!
http://beefjack.com/features/the-best-and-worst-of-kickstarter-an-interview-with-susan-wilson/3/
This is plainly a CRIME now.
http://beefjack.com/features/the-best-and-worst-of-kickstarter-an-interview-with-susan-wilson/3/
This is plainly a CRIME now.
This is what I'm thinking, why should pay I for college myself when I can setup a kickstarter with the promise to make a game when I graduate. Watching this unfold as it has, I don't see a downside for anyone that wants to try it. I actually hope that many more people actually try it.
foobarry81
Member
Julie and Susan don´t think it is, and they follow the rules and guidelines, remember?
Susan Wilson said:
polyh3dron
Banned
Exactly. Shows you how retarded this whole thing is.
There's a big difference between PUBLIC information found on the Internet and BANKING databases.
polyh3dron
Banned
Well, they are just guidelines after all, and if you use Gurrl Power, you're apparently allowed to break most of them.
foobarry81
Member
I know. I was being sarcastic. My way to cope with this whole charade.
These people really have no shame. The whole innocent housewife act in the BeefJack interview is sickening.
She´s like: I´m all new to this crowd funding thing. Didn´t know what to do. People held my hand when making the stretch goals. Meanwhile she´s RUNNING an f´ing crowd funding site.
Aquamarine
Member
Julie is Susan's friend, or am I mistaken?
Anyway, this is beautiful, this story just keeps on giving.
(and by "beautiful" I mean "absolutely fucking disgusting")
foobarry81
Member
They just don´t want to know.Kickstarter comment said:
Kickstarter reply said:
In her defense, as he used his real name, I pulled the same info up from facebook in about 30 seconds. Same way I've tracked Julie, Susan and the rest of the crew. His occupation and home are both publically available on his FB account. I've been tempted to use my spam account to friend the rest of the family to dig dirt, but I can't stoop to their level.
foobarry81
Member
To begin with there was no reason whatsoever for her to make it personal as she did.
Those women lack a sense of morality:
- Julie Brown was ferociously defending Susan at first without stating she was actually her bff, and employee.
- calling people expressing legitimate concerns names
- then this thing about Corey´s personal data
- turning things completely upside down: Corey seeks the truth about our shady business, so this means we can freely breach his privacy, right?
- a domestic quarrel between siblings is as good as anything to go out and beg other people for money.
- in the process let´s throw my sons under the bus. (I can understand how this could be funny in the living room, but on a public forum it´s awkward to say the least.)
- bending the Kickstarter guidelines, then suddenly almost lawfully abiding to them because it better fits one´s goals
That interview was actually really well done. Surprised to see some quality journalism, and good questions asked.
And damn ... that shit about Julie is fucking crazy.
And it's funny to me that she keeps the name of the "industry leader" who advised her to do the $10,000 pledge. She already openly said that it's Brenda Romero, John Romero's wife. Yes, THAT John Romero. She apparently told her to go for the cash grab with no plan of how to even use the money, and supposedly even wrote the rewards text. Now she wants to stay anonymous. Funny.
And damn ... that shit about Julie is fucking crazy.
And it's funny to me that she keeps the name of the "industry leader" who advised her to do the $10,000 pledge. She already openly said that it's Brenda Romero, John Romero's wife. Yes, THAT John Romero. She apparently told her to go for the cash grab with no plan of how to even use the money, and supposedly even wrote the rewards text. Now she wants to stay anonymous. Funny.
Kickstarter are corrupt, dont be dumbfounded.
Lol, well put.
undrtakr900
Member
Add to the fact that she wants "corporate sponsors" to give her MORE money for a "weekend Game Jam", lol
Miss.Selfdestruct
Member
Seriously speaking, unless your child is a programming prodigy and living in poverty (as in living in a household that cost less than 200K). Why would you ever need corporate sponsors for a simple weekend program FOR KIDS???
undrtakr900
Member
No you got it backwards, somehow she's going to use the entire 22K+ kickstarter money on "making the coolest game possible" in RPG Maker.
Then if "corporate sponsor, industry vets, and anyone else" donates more money, then she'll start a "weekend Game Jam" for kids. Even better, if they keep giving her money every year, she'll make the event annual, "wouldn't [that] be cool"!
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