I thought just like you did when I first saw the guideline about not paying for tuition, but it seems like paying for tuition is okay to Kickstarter if it is in direct service of making the project. It's listed as against the guidelines along with buying a camera, which seems to imply that the purpose of a Kickstarter can't be just tuition or just a camera, with no kind of attached project. If one is making a movie, but needs a camera, then it's okay to use the money to buy a camera, and many kickstarters have done this. There's another, very similar Kickstarter, which involves a child going to a camp to learn about animation to make a claymation project, and that project hasn't been taken down either. So it seems like in Kickstarters opinion, paying for something like that, as long as it is in service to making the project, isn't against the guidelines. Technically, this project is about making a game, so technically using funds to go to camp to make the game isn't against policy or terms of service.Despite the title of the project the funding is purely to pay for an education. The camp is there to teach her how to use the basics of RPG Maker better and the outcome will be the game. The argument people have had here, such as the one mod that doesn't see this as the same as paying for someone's long-term college tuition, is that it's just a week-long camp. Regardless, tuition doesn't necessarily mean a college course, despite it commonly used in that way, and tuition really just means paying for an education. This camp requires payment for the education. That's a tuition, albeit on a smaller scale.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kickstarter feels simliarly about this as it does the camera/tuition thing. That is, a Kickstarter can't be used just as a vehicle for raising awareness, but if it does it as a side effect of the project, then it's okay.Secondly, I personally am bothered about the mother using this as a leverage to push her "Keep Up!" campaign because I honestly see this as being half about that within the Kickstarter project. In absolutely no way am I against educating women and getting them into more science and technology fields. I've even recently looked into how to start volunteering to teach programming to underprivileged kids locally and would urge a more equal amount of both genders. Regardless to that I still don't agree with this campaign as being a secondary goal of this Kickstarter campaign and in the terms of service they also don't allow "awareness campaigns."
She made $100M doing it; I would be pretty excited about it too.
The key difference here is that those other ones that likely have used funds for educating to assist in a project or for gear (like a camera) for a project hopefully have a complete project in mind and just need the means to achieve it. The game in this project has almost zero details altogether other than it's a game, it won't have violence, and it won't have bad language. Compare that to someone needing a camera with a detailed plan of how they're going to photograph all the graffiti in their town and have a clear goal in mind of a specific project. That's different to someone with a kickstarter that's "I need $2,000 for a camera so I can take pictures" and then giving out prints off those pictures, whatever they may end up being, as a reward.I thought just like you did when I first saw the guideline about not paying for tuition, but it seems like paying for tuition is okay to Kickstarter if it is in direct service of making the project. It's listed as against the guidelines along with buying a camera, which seems to imply that the purpose of a Kickstarter can't be just tuition or just a camera, with no kind of attached project. If one is making a movie, but needs a camera, then it's okay to use the money to buy a camera, and many kickstarters have done this. There's another, very similar Kickstarter, which involves a child going to a camp to learn about animation to make a claymation project, and that project hasn't been taken down either. So it seems like in Kickstarters opinion, paying for something like that, as long as it is in service to making the project, isn't against the guidelines. Technically, this project is about making a game, so technically using funds to go to camp to make the game isn't against policy or terms of service.
i didn't realize at first that the top of those comments are from the boys. that's creepy as shit.
So the mom has a Kickstarter to get her daughter into video games, and the dad has an Indiegogo to get his kids off of video games. Brilliant. Amazing.
She made $100M doing it; I would be pretty excited about it too.
Putting all the people questioning her and Kickstarters handing of this mess under the "sexist internet trolls" banner was a really amazing strategic move.
If kickstarter pull it now she can say they bowed to the sexists.
This women should get into political PR or something.
Putting all the people questioning her and Kickstarters handing of this mess under the "sexist internet trolls" banner was a really amazing strategic move.
If kickstarter pull it now she can say they bowed to the sexists.
This women should get into political PR or something.
I feel like the problem is that Kickstarter in general has some pretty flimsy guidelines, so a project like this can slip through while technically being fine. I agree that where you're coming from seems right, that you should be right, just that Kickstarter policy isn't that strict. I think maybe a push towards improving Kickstarters guidelines might be a good step?The key difference here is that those other ones that likely have used funds for educating to assist in a project or for gear (like a camera) for a project hopefully have a complete project in mind and just need the means to achieve it. The game in this project has almost zero details altogether other than it's a game, it won't have violence, and it won't have bad language. Compare that to someone needing a camera with a detailed plan of how they're going to photograph all the graffiti in their town and have a clear goal in mind of a specific project. That's different to someone with a kickstarter that's "I need $2,000 for a camera so I can take pictures" and then giving out prints off those pictures, whatever they may end up being, as a reward.
The game is nearly a stray thought. Obviously there will be a game as an outcome from the camp but the game has zero focus and isn't a real project. Consider if Kickstarter would have approved this project if you cut out ALL details other than those pertaining to the game.
Anyhow, I don't think I'm changing any minds and I know there's some here that agree with me and some that don't see it the same way.
The questions being asked have been poisoned by the Men's Rights Advocates. Really sad it's an excuse not to look further.
Thank goodness for screen shots.
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http://penny-arcade.com/report/arti...eople-on-the-internet-for-money-they-wished-s
Source Site
Kotaku
Serious journalism.
http://penny-arcade.com/report/arti...eople-on-the-internet-for-money-they-wished-s
Source Site
Kotaku
Serious journalism.
Putting all the people questioning her and Kickstarters handing of this mess under the "sexist internet trolls" banner was a really amazing strategic move.
If kickstarter pull it now she can say they bowed to the sexists.
This women should get into political PR or something.
I seriously cannot believe people are falling hook, line, and sinker for this scheme. The evidence is pretty damning if you look at her previous projects and her quick deletion of comments that had her pretending to be her kids...
Has reporting the project not helped at all?
http://penny-arcade.com/report/arti...eople-on-the-internet-for-money-they-wished-s
Source Site
Kotaku
Serious journalism.
I seriously cannot believe people are falling hook, line, and sinker for this scheme. The evidence is pretty damning if you look at her previous projects and her quick deletion of comments that had her pretending to be her kids...
Has reporting the project not helped at all?
I have to say though, she hit a perfect combo of issues to lure backers in and also make anyone who remotely opposes the project's success look like the "enemy".
http://penny-arcade.com/report/arti...eople-on-the-internet-for-money-they-wished-s
Source Site
Kotaku
Serious journalism.
i wanted to believe that people exaggerated gaming journalism complaints, but this is just too much. this article is basically a blind, defensive reaction to the gaming community being outraged over something.
Here's hoping that KS changes their mind soon, then...
Hasn't she said that the goal of the project is now pretty much changed into something that is TBA? Shouldn't that be enough reason to stop it since she's paying for the camp herself out of pocket?
http://penny-arcade.com/report/arti...eople-on-the-internet-for-money-they-wished-s
Source Site
Kotaku
Serious journalism.
this is true.Don't expect much from a person employed by a company that used Kickstarter to scam money as well.
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Don't expect much from a person employed by a company that used Kickstarter to scam money as well.
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Is the headline.When a 9-year old girl asked people on the Internet for money, they wished she would die
Unless I've missed something, I don't really think the PA kickstarter was a scam. It was a pretty straightforward "Here is our business model currently; here is what it could be if you'd prefer, if you're willing to pay for it" and people were...willing to pay for it. There was no scam involved. I never really looked at the particulars, so if I'm wrong, I digress.
I really think this person just didn't do more than two seconds of research.
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so many buffoons just sucked it all up and either supported or threw money at herHoly shit. Man, this just keeps getting crazier. Unbelievable.
She has been impersonating her daughter for at least two years online. The brothers have been "mean" to her online for at least two years.
Basically, she just lied to Kickstarter, Kotaku, CNET, Huffington Post, CBS and on. Straight up lied.
http://penny-arcade.com/report/arti...eople-on-the-internet-for-money-they-wished-s
Source Site
Kotaku
Serious journalism.
http://penny-arcade.com/report/arti...eople-on-the-internet-for-money-they-wished-s
Source Site
Kotaku
Serious journalism.
"I don't care if it's truth of fiction. I don't want to have anything to do with a bunch of misogynistic men posting on a "Men's Rights" sub-reddit."
So yeah, nothing we ever will be able to say will touch most people because they think like that