uncelestial
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Jeez, shadows. Did someone block the traffic of love from entering your heart? What would your mayoral crackdown look like?
Here let me guess:
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MLK Day Protesters Block Traffic on the Bay Bridge
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Jeez, shadows. Did someone block the traffic of love from entering your heart? What would your mayoral crackdown look like?
Here let me guess:
Tesseract
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i said that was the perception, and i already apologized for it. so let's be adults and move on.
I would just say think about some of the stuff you said and why people went in so hard on you.
And after that continue protesting. I feel like your heart is in the right place. Just some of your choices in language.... I can see why reactions can be bad.
Tesseract
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Why do these threads get to continue and not locked if any sort of opposition to the method of protest is counteract ed with mocking?
Disclaimer- I believe black lives matter. No, I don't have a better solution. No, I don't believe blocking traffic is the way to go, even though it had success in the 60s. Yes, I've seen the MLK quote. Lastly, I believe blocking traffic when everyone is back to work on a Tuesday ultimately would have been an even more effective tactic.
Disclaimer- I believe black lives matter. No, I don't have a better solution. No, I don't believe blocking traffic is the way to go, even though it had success in the 60s. Yes, I've seen the MLK quote. Lastly, I believe blocking traffic when everyone is back to work on a Tuesday ultimately would have been an even more effective tactic.
So you don't believe it's the way to go but admit it worked in the 60's yet have no alternative answer. What an odd thing to say.
Gordon Shumway
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You should PM a mod if you feel things said in this thread aren't kosher. Kosher..Nana Ruth 😢
Not an effective tactic regardless of day. Pretty sure.
A Link to the Past
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Is OK for you on let's say, thursday? how about friday? 2 week notice too?
Chie Satonaka
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Gordon Shumway
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Totally didn't mean to. I swear.
(doesn't apply at all, but this is the first time I've seen shazam giffed sue me)
Not an effective tactic regardless of day. Pretty sure.
stahp mocking him
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Hey, I wasn't mocking you..
If you don't have a better idea about how to tackle this issue, why are you worth listening to? This isn't even about you to begin with.
Coffee Dog
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We aren't exactly on the "same team" (whatever exactly that means) if we disagree on some pretty key shit
Honestly, the biggest revelation for you here should be that it isn't about "winning" at all. It's about listening.
TheLaughingStock
Member
Proud of the kids that are keeping this movement relevant. Read in the paper about some of the different spins on BLM internationally.
Tesseract
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we can agree to disagree re: protest tactics. effective communication is a two-way process, but winning and listening are inherently intertwined.
if you can't get that we're on the same team, that's fine. i'll keep protesting every weekend no matter what.
A Link to the Past
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Something you should ask yourself is whether you think that if your fellow protesters knew the kind of rhetoric you used in this thread, would they think it okay?
excelsiorlef
Member
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Are you for real?
And thinks they should have done it today on a non holiday :|
FunkyMunkey
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ok so people keep invoking the 60s as a parallel to this protest but didn't mlk and the other organizers give a heads up when they were going to protest on roadways and impede traffic? or is that misinformation?
It's fucking amazing how much this gif gets life in these BLM threads.
Tesseract
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i meant re: the original post, a different synonym. i already apologized, mate. race had nothing to do with the language, if that's what you're thinking. (not that i'd presume such a thing)
let it go, indiana
excelsiorlef
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Brute is so bloody loaded. Monster or brute it doesnt matter both are horrendousto use to describe peaceful protestors fighting against the slaughter of their own at the hands of agents of the state.
You're the one who kept coming back to make things worse and your apology doesn't acknowledge that you were wrong.
Yaphett Kotto
Member
And people wonder why the thread is mocking anyone coming in saying how the protesters are wrong.
kame-sennin
Member
That's not what these protests are for. They are not designed to win people over. Even raising awareness is not their primary goal.
The purpose of these protests is to non-violently attack the infrastructure relied upon by the government and corporate America:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/bill-de...ness-leaders-over-crisis-with-nypd-1450453369
What protestors are trying to do is twist the arm of those in power. The choice is simple, fix this broken system or see it shut down altogether.
Tesseract
Banned
okay, i was wrong. fully acknowledged, 100%.
be well my friend, placate the universe with feels
kame-sennin
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Are you protesting Tesseract's racial identity? What the fuck?
Tesseract
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i think it was just a light play on the friend argument, i laughed
no biggie, tokenism is a thing
i do need to vacate da fuk outta this thread, it's taking years off my life (my own doing)
Not everything is so serious; just a subtle joke to lighten the mood.
Jack The Nipper
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I don't think stopping a be a bridge helps their cause
Probably has an opposite effect.
Instead we need to take a hard look at every cop and have evaluations and big changes and policy changes with how police handle themselves in hundreds of situations.
From racial issues to lethal force and detainees.
Seeing so many cops hit people without any care or feeling really is a problem
That's scary.
Probably has an opposite effect.
Instead we need to take a hard look at every cop and have evaluations and big changes and policy changes with how police handle themselves in hundreds of situations.
From racial issues to lethal force and detainees.
Seeing so many cops hit people without any care or feeling really is a problem
That's scary.
excelsiorlef
Member
And who is going to make that happen?
Some petition in change.org of course.
You got me! Because he and I disagree, I am questioning his blackness. foh
It's like a never ending cycle of nonsense. I think I've already replied to this exact message twice now. Fun times.
People protesting in a respectable manner... something like MLK would have done, none of this bridge nonsense.
Im late on this, but I felt like it should be shared. For those that are still thinking more about hypothetical traffic jams and can't imagine why that is the least of black people's concerns... This is a good starting point.
My responses before were snark out of anger and disgust because reading about hypothetical patients or hypothetical people being late to work being weighed as more important than what those out there on that bridge represent literally just... eats at me. I wish I had the balls to be out there on that bridge. And you know what, if something like that happens here in AZ maybe I will. All I can do is post on forums, share knowledge on Twiiter and occasionally Facebook.
Some of you have just started seeing the police brutality and violence on camera phones in the past couple of years. I should personally be more understanding of that. It's not part of your everyday life. It is impossible for you to really, truly understand the frustation of people that have been watching it happen for decades, whose parents and grandparents lived through all of that... And just seeing it on repeat.
There is so much more I and others could tell you about this. We've been here before. Many people have already done the peaceful, quiet protests on the side. Many of us have tried to work within the system. When we do that, we're ignored. When we riot, we're thugs and looters. When we get into office, we're utterly disrespected. When we block a bridge, we're an inconvenience.
And no matter which one of these avenues are taken, any one of us could end up in the next video at the top of this forum.
That, is scary.
No, not very interaction we have with police is bad. I've chatted with cops, I have cops as friends and military in my family. But there are few things more frightening than being a black man driving home late at night from work, with a cop car following you for blocks because you entered a new neighborhood.
Because some of us don't make it out of that interaction in one piece.
https://www.ted.com/talks/clint_smith_how_to_raise_a_black_son_in_america?language=en
My responses before were snark out of anger and disgust because reading about hypothetical patients or hypothetical people being late to work being weighed as more important than what those out there on that bridge represent literally just... eats at me. I wish I had the balls to be out there on that bridge. And you know what, if something like that happens here in AZ maybe I will. All I can do is post on forums, share knowledge on Twiiter and occasionally Facebook.
Some of you have just started seeing the police brutality and violence on camera phones in the past couple of years. I should personally be more understanding of that. It's not part of your everyday life. It is impossible for you to really, truly understand the frustation of people that have been watching it happen for decades, whose parents and grandparents lived through all of that... And just seeing it on repeat.
There is so much more I and others could tell you about this. We've been here before. Many people have already done the peaceful, quiet protests on the side. Many of us have tried to work within the system. When we do that, we're ignored. When we riot, we're thugs and looters. When we get into office, we're utterly disrespected. When we block a bridge, we're an inconvenience.
And no matter which one of these avenues are taken, any one of us could end up in the next video at the top of this forum.
That, is scary.
No, not very interaction we have with police is bad. I've chatted with cops, I have cops as friends and military in my family. But there are few things more frightening than being a black man driving home late at night from work, with a cop car following you for blocks because you entered a new neighborhood.
Because some of us don't make it out of that interaction in one piece.
https://www.ted.com/talks/clint_smith_how_to_raise_a_black_son_in_america?language=en
Coffee Dog
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It's supposed to fuck with their lives. That's the intention.
excelsiorlef
Member
Hilarious thing is I betchya the same people would then turn around and say the people have to do more and that an internet petition is just like lazy slacktivism and how are we supposed to take something seriously if they are being such slacktivists.
no
KarneeKarnay
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What does BLM want to achieve? I've looked at their website and I've seen a lot of stuff on them trying to highlight the injustices placed upon the Black population. They've gained a lot of publicity this year and I think a lot of us support their message.
What I want to know is the policies they want to put in place? Are they campaigning for a new bill to be passed that creates a new body to regulate the police? Are they after body cams on every police officers? More education in schools? I know people hate drawing comparisons with MLK, but he had an aim with his movement. Objectives that will bring about change.
To me BLM is starting to feel more like Occupy. It brought of a lot of attention to an issue that deserved to be talked about. Then they did nothing with it and it faded away. This year a survey came showing that 64 people own more than 3+ billion people. I'm afraid that this movement is just going to become something that we all get angry about it and demand change, but no one is willing to say what needs to be changed.
I'm not the authority on this and I am open to be proven wrong. I want to become more informed about this.
What I want to know is the policies they want to put in place? Are they campaigning for a new bill to be passed that creates a new body to regulate the police? Are they after body cams on every police officers? More education in schools? I know people hate drawing comparisons with MLK, but he had an aim with his movement. Objectives that will bring about change.
To me BLM is starting to feel more like Occupy. It brought of a lot of attention to an issue that deserved to be talked about. Then they did nothing with it and it faded away. This year a survey came showing that 64 people own more than 3+ billion people. I'm afraid that this movement is just going to become something that we all get angry about it and demand change, but no one is willing to say what needs to be changed.
I'm not the authority on this and I am open to be proven wrong. I want to become more informed about this.
excelsiorlef
Member
Not to be murdered by the police.
Not to be murdered by the police and then for the police to walk away unscathed without any justice or legal punishment
Not to be murdered by the police and then for the police to walk away unscathed without any justice or legal punishment and have the general public go meh they were no angel.
astroturfing
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how do you know none of the people stuck on the bridge care about their fellow citizens? collectively punishing them like this is stupid. some of them might be much better and effective activists than the ones making them stuck in traffic..
excelsiorlef
Member
Won't someone think of the hypothetical activist child who is trying to get to the hospital to donate a kidney to the next MLK but can't because of the mean protesters.
andthebeatgoeson
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Line for line, that was MLK's website in the 60s. Brilliant.
I missed Nana's funeral. Was the chicken dry?
astroturfing
Member
so.. judging by the snarkyness, you just don't care? collective punishment is alright if it feels good?
excelsiorlef
Member
Punishment?
Who is being punished?
A traffic jam isn't punishment it's an inconvenience.
KarneeKarnay
Member
Your'e saying the why they are protesting. Not the how they intend to stop it.
What about body cameras that's footage is sent to server owned by a civilian authority instead of the county police?
What about better education?
Psychological evaluations for the officers on the front line?
Harsher penalties for not just the officers found committing murder but for all the officers involved in the cover up.
Who is pushing for these and how do I support them?
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