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Moto X |OT| Hello, Moto
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I wish I had the luxury of waiting, but! My phone's shit, so.
phosphor112
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Is motorolla still blocking rooting? Getting tired of jumping through hoops that other companies let us access easily.
I think only the ATT version is bootloader locked, all the other ones are unlockable.
ThatObviousUser
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You will be able to get a "Verizon developer edition" with unlocked bootloader... eventually.
No one answered my earlier post but im guessing the google play edition of the phone will not come with the customizations?
ThatObviousUser
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Nobody knows. At this point I would say probably not, and your best bet might be to try the "GSM Developer Edition"... whenever that comes out, and if it's Moto Maker capable.
phosphor112
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I already have a Nexus 4 and don't know how I can justify this purchase.ThaiGrocer
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Unlocked version hasn't been detailed yet. Its going to be fun to watch how people will react to the price we currently do not know.
It also has bands for both att and T-Mobile 3g and LTE.
It also has bands for both att and T-Mobile 3g and LTE.
SirMossyBloke
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All of that based on the same 2.8x assumption.
Regardless of the cost to Moto, the consumer should not be paying the same price for a Moto X as people do for an S4.
But if the phone runs better in real world situations why not? Its worth it imo. And the S4 is super cheap plastic which doesnt seem to be the case with the Moto X.
SirMossyBloke
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I dunno about the plastic part. They both looked and felt the same time of cheapness to me when I used it. The Moto only seemed more rugged because it was thicker. In fact the Moto looked like it had a cheap gel case on it when I used it, it was only when it's flipped over that it was obvious it was part of the phone.
I also wouldnt say the phone runs better in real world situations. Benchmarks (the complete opposite of real world) had it running faster, but I noticed the Moto opened apps slower than my HTC One when opened side by side. Also bear in mind my One had power saving turned on with my CPU downclocked.
Where did you go to use the phone? I did a training on the phone when the Moto rep came last week and it was definitely snappier than the One and the S4 and had much better build quality. Also the phone is just more comfortable. I have a 4S now and the only reason why is the experience. Not because it does more or less than any other phone. And alot of customers that come in have the same thing. Its a well the S4 is cool but its confusing because there's alotta useless crap on it. The Moto X is just almost the perfect phone.
I believe he also works for an operator, and he got to play with a model when the Moto rep came by.
Why is samsung entitled to a higher profit margin than moto? What makes samsung's price the 'correct' one?
I've made the value argument below (and it was just made above) but I'm waiting now for someone to justify the value of the S4 to me, since everyone wants to use that as a benchmark, which is why I used it.
SirMossyBloke
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Yep, a rep came in. Part training and part hands on use.
I left extremely disappointed with the phone. However I will say that I don't know if his phone was a pre-release build or not. It had a small sticker on the top right of the screen with a serial number on it (not an IMEI), so it's possible.
After using it for a while I could not, under any circumstances, recommend anyone to buy this. Especially when there are cheaper and better phones already out there. It's slightly slower, has a screen thats only "ok", has a dodgy camera (which i'm sure could be fixed with software tbh), looked cheap...and I mean REALLY cheap, and had issues with the voice commands. As far as it being snappier the a One or S4. I cannot agree at all, especially with my (albiet not scientific) side by side comparisons.
Again though, could have been pre-release build.
Edit: I'm not going to post any further in this particular thread about my feelings on the phone, only because this is the official thread and I shouldn't be shitting it up like this. However i'm more than happy to continue the discussion in a different one.
Yeah everyone at my store was pretty blown away with the phone. My boss currently has an S4 and is thinking hard about getting the Moto X. So I'm not sure what phone you saw but its lke the opposite of my experience.
northead
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Oh, thank god we have an OT now.
I was trying to ask something in the other thread: albeit carrier-locked, why wouldn't the phone work with other GSM carriers' SIMs outside the US, if the frequencies are the same? I don't care about LTE as long as 3G works fine.
Do you think it's possible?
I was trying to ask something in the other thread: albeit carrier-locked, why wouldn't the phone work with other GSM carriers' SIMs outside the US, if the frequencies are the same? I don't care about LTE as long as 3G works fine.
Do you think it's possible?
It should be you would have to get the phone unlocked first tho.
exmachina64
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Rationally, yes.
northead
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Where, and how?
To get it unlocked from the carrier you have to have the phone for 6mo-1year to get it unlocked. Or you can goto http://cellphoneunlock.net/ but that costs around $30-40 (i forget the exact price.
northead
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Got it. Thanks!
Yay, another original Incredible owner! Can't wait to own a 4G phone!
Still debating the Moto X though...too pricey.
SirMossyBloke
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Bugs me how people refer to LTE as 4G. Seems a couple of American carriers are to blame for that though.
Dat marketing OP.
ThatObviousUser
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Why's that?
For a company that vowed to change the way smartphones are priced, $200 on contract is a complete letdown.
Why not beat the big phone players on price?
HassanJamal
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"The phone is nice"-The Verge
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It's a timed exclusive, but yeah, locking one of your biggest bullet points up behind one carrier for a chunk of time? Seems like a pretty terrible idea!
Where did moto vow to change the way smartphones are priced? I remember tons of rumors to that effect, but don't remember it ever coming from moto (not saying it didn't happen, I just honestly don't remember)
I get the feeling that a huge part of this was expectations. People loved the ideas that were presented when the phone was in rumor stage ($300 off contract, etc), and when the phone came out that image of the moto X was shattered and replaced by the real one.
I want a $300 off contract phone too, but since i looked at what the bills of materials are like for these things and how much they need to spend on marketing to stay relevant, you'd end up with a flip phone for $300 off contract. Not to mention increasing labor cost to produce in the states (making moto maker possible).
Even to beat the big guys on price would have required a massive sacrifice in terms of specs. I'm talking stuff that actually matters, like screen size, radios, really crappy processors (not just 2 core vs 4). Including a marketing budget I doubt that they could produce, market and retail the original droid for $300. No company is going to go into the red on a product launch with a dilutive product (they lose money every sale) when the marketing costs are amortized in. That's crazy talk.
Ephemeris
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In a May interview with AllThingsD, Motorola's CEO complained about the absurdity of cell phone prices.
ThatObviousUser
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You're right, and then he and mossberg went on to specifically exclude the x from that discussion, as mossberg said: "but the x is meant to compete with the iphone and galaxy":
watch at 10 minutes:
http://allthingsd.com/20130529/moto...ttoos-and-taking-big-risks-at-d11-full-video/
I can understand how that led to hype and speculation that the x should be cheap, but I still think those expectations were misplaced and are affecting people's judgments about the phone now.
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