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Are they finally gonna put not shit/right amount of thermal paste on their chips?
Well, Im not the person to answer that , but I will trust Cerny word on it.
Are they finally gonna put not shit/right amount of thermal paste on their chips?
Are they finally gonna put not shit/right amount of thermal paste on their chips?
Cerny vs Raindeer.....Fight
Cerny clearly stated that achieving 4TFs by less CUs high clock is better than more CUs low clock
Of course he did. He had to come up with an excuse why PS5 has the same number of CU as PS4 Pro. Probably the first time in history a generational leap in console had the same number of CU as the previous console.Cerny vs Raindeer.....Fight
Cerny clearly stated that achieving 4TFs by less CUs high clock is better than more CUs low clock
I could actually live with the TF #. I just have no confidence in the longevity of a GPU running at those frequencies and that SSD size is a joke.. Speed be dammed I would have been happier with a 1TB standard SSD
I might dip my toes in when the box drops to $299 or they release the PRO verison but for now I am going to just stick with the PS4.
Hard to know. Increase the gpu clock for not admit the 9TF don't give us that ideia.
Still, this is not X tf vs X tf achieved differently, is X vs Y (10 vs 12).Cerny vs Raindeer.....Fight
Cerny clearly stated that achieving 4TFs by less CUs high clock is better than more CUs low clock
The have that patented double sided cooling. I think they will use that.
I can't recall an instance where storage space is already subtracted for OS. This is probably the full SSD and according to Cerny it is ideal to the communication with others components.What I read online was it is 1TB but the consumer will only see 825GB of it, I have a 512GB SSD but I don't get that full 512GB space, I only have about 480GBs to play with. I think Sony just stated what will actually be available to consumers. I could be wrong but then again if we do get 825GB as advertised then we would really get much less then that to play with maybe even 650GB.
Hopefully this is cleared in their next presentation.
That doesn't make sense from the tech inside. But let's see.
It would still be a GPU difference of about 30\40%.What was the difference between Xbox One and PS4? If Xbox One used the same GDDR5 of PS4, the difference could be 20%?
Any idea what cerny meant with 825gb is the most natural size on a 12ch interface
I've seen many devs act as fanbois. And if not as blantant, at least politically correct as to not upset anyone that feeds them.This is not us "Sony fanboys" it's actual developers.
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Of course he did. He had to come up with an excuse why PS5 has the same number of CU as PS4 Pro.
Now when PS5 Pro comes out in 3 years with 64 CU at 16tf, suddenly CU and TF will matter again,
Now if PS5 was properly designed, you'd have the gpu running at 2.23 ghz at all times like how every other gadget works. Not a gpu running at undisclosed ghz for x amount of time when the cpu is maxing out, and flip flopping with gpu boost mode when the cpu downclocks.
Just have the cpu at 3.5 ghz and gpu at 2.23 ghz at all times like normal.
FanboysI've seen many devs act as fanbois.
Sony themselves said that soon you will be able to buy one from Best Buy and slap it in. How is that disingenuous?Disagree. We’ve already seen a real life application of the SSD when Cerny showed the difference in speeds in Spiderman. We know what it can do at the base level. Warriors however are trying to equate an obviously customized SSD and trying to say it’s no different than a SSD you can buy from Best Biy and slap it in the PS5 which is disingenuous.
He explained that 825 TB are possible because this is a console and they are not selling only the SSD, which in this case would be a strange cut to sell. That, to me, doesn't sound like "it's 1TB" because otherwise there would be nothing different from anything else. This is likely a unique solution from Sony.Not sure yet - there's no such thing as a 825GB chip . so that figure will be after the fragmentation structures have used up some memory, just like a 16GB USB drive only has 13GB or whatever .. so it's probably 1TB.
idk about 12 channels but I'd assume it's similar to RAM where 1 channel (or 32bit of bus width) = 1 chip .. so that would be 12 chips/dies . 2019/20 Samsung flash dies are currently around 512Gb = 64GB so 12 of those would be 768GB .. numbers don't quite line up .. so not sure .. we'll know when we see the first board teardowns.
Didn't Microsoft also add an high speed ssd?Didn’t hurt my feelings and I know my place when it comes to gaming and as I’ve always said and felt that Sony has the library and stable is games and devs to make shit happen!
but of course you would just gloss over my comment directed at you showing proof!
cerny clearly stated he asked DEVS for the past few years what would they like from the next console to make it better for them and this was it!
what did MS go and do? Just add morr power!
I don't believe it's 1TB but promoted as an 825gb (remaining space) SSD.Not sure yet - there's no such thing as a 825GB chip . so that figure will be after the fragmentation structures have used up some memory, just like a 16GB USB drive only has 13GB or whatever .. so it's probably 1TB.
idk about 12 channels but I'd assume it's similar to RAM where 1 channel (or 32bit of bus width) = 1 chip .. so that would be 12 chips/dies . 2019/20 Samsung flash dies are currently around 512Gb = 64GB so 12 of those would be 768GB .. numbers don't quite line up .. so not sure .. we'll know when we see the first board teardowns.
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He explained that 825 TB are possible because this is a console and they are not selling only the SSD, which in this case would be a strange cut to sell. That, to me, doesn't sound like "it's 1TB" because otherwise there would be nothing different from anything else. This is likely a unique solution from Sony.
Did you actually saw the conference? Honest question.Sony themselves said that soon you will be able to buy one from Best Buy and slap it in. How is that disingenuous?
And some people hoped it was total BC over all generations... o boi, such magic.
Just can't buy chips that size though. Dunno what the actual answer is..I don't believe it's 1TB but promoted as an 825gb (remaining space) SSD.
It's 825gb to begin with so the remaining space is probably going to be 700 gb or so.
Nobody promotes their storage space as as a number of what's leftover after mandatory allotments are used up.
I really, really don't see any point in confusing everyone stating a different number from SeX while the number is actually the same, because it should be 1TB.Sony doesn't make SSD chips - there are limited suppliers and they only make certain sizes - like 512Gb - 12 channels means 12 chips (though they could be different sizes) - nevertheless there is something odd about the maths = you can't get 825GB using obvious arrangements
Ya. But MS's SSD is only half the speed. PS5 is 5.5gb/s or 8-9 gb/s, SeX is 2.4gb/s or 4.8 gb/s.Didn't Microsoft also add an high speed ssd?
Mid range SSD which is the correct design choice it allowed them budget left over for 60mm on the apu and 2tf without extreme overclocking.Didn't Microsoft also add an high speed ssd?
If you mean PS4, me too, kind of. They said months ago that there is a process to go through, so I wasn't expect everything but 100 games top...No but i was expecting my digital library available day 1
Well I thought about that but I got it from r/PS5. Yup. No reason to hide it anymore. I am a very PS5-oriented individual.You could put Microsoft and Nintendo in that meme as well, but... somehow...
Twice. He believes you will soon be able to go to best buy and buy an SDD that you can insert into your ps5. They will be internally testing them as they release and flagging the ones that meet the requirements.Did you actually saw the conference? Honest question.
Well I thought about that but I got it from r/PS5. Serves its purpose I think.
Either way the numbers don't add up in an obvious way - 12 channels means 12 chips, usually all the same - (you can even see 12 chips in the diagram in the talk) .. 825/12 = 68.75MB - that's not a chip that exists afaik. The same calculation with a 1TB total also doesn't work..I really, really don't see any point in confusing everyone stating a different number from SeX while the number is actually the same, because it should be 1TB.
Evidently they know better than us what they can do, surprise. Those 825 is probably the full space.
Right back at ya, I can provide examples if you'd like....about my comment of fanboy devs and or devs sugarcoating things too. I didn't make the other comments but they are pretty accurate if you change "Sony paid for media" to Sony, or Xbox, fanboys in the media. My experience is there are very few .... whoever we are talking about...without a bias for one or the other, though some stronger than others. For example I'm bias obviously towards Microsoft and you, obviously towards Sony. Nothing wrong with that if you can still be objective and truthful. I bought a PS4 years before Xbox one while I was a big halo fan. Initially, Sony had the better hardware and treated customers better this gen at the start. Saying that you don't see bias for both sides...makes me question your truthfulness though. We can still be friends.Fanboys
Media bias
Sony paid for media
Damage control
Devs acting like fanboys...
I mean this is embarrassing of some people to say...
It was.like cell was supposed to be.
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I think we are looking at $449 for the PS5 and $479-499 for the xbox.Yup, its all down to cost and exclusives now.
First party I would usually side with Sony, but damn if MS's recent change of tact hasn't got me hopeful. They now have a shit ton of first party studios, many of which haven't shown a single thing of what they are doing for next gen yet. I remain hopeful that they have taken the last few years to prep for all this. Sony, I will give the benefit of the doubt, because while they get a bit of stick for dad walking simulators... They are bloody well GOOD dad walking simulators.
But price...? Who knows. Actually who knows... PS5 could be priced at $399 but I don't actually see it. The parts are not THAT much cheaper, and that SSD is not gonna be cheap, that's for sure... I think the consoles will be on par price wise, but I really have this odd feeling MS will undercut them for some reason. I can't put my finger on it, I just have the tingles?
Right.Twice. He believes you will soon be able to go to best buy and buy an SDD that you can insert into your ps5. They will be internally testing them as they release and flagging the ones that meet the requirements.
I mean yeah Sony has a really fast ssd. That doesn't mean MS ssd is not really fast. Do you believe that sony went to the devs and they said we need 5.5gbs? Devs had very limited transfer rates last gen and said they wanted faster. Both consoles are delivering that in spades. Sony is just going alot further with it.Ya. But MS's SSD is only half the speed. PS5 is 5.5gb/s or 8-9 gb/s, SeX is 2.4gb/s or 4.8 gb/s.
So assuming everything else is apples to apples, a PS5 game should load things faster by double.
So in MS's example a few day ago, State of Decay 2 loaded on their new system in about 8 seconds, while Xbox One X was 50 seconds, so a PS5 of similar comparison should be 4 seconds.
The whole issue about streaming game data as you go (like open world textures and such) remains to be seen how much better PS5 can do it vs. SeX even though MS's system is better overall for everything else.
So right now, all we have are loading time comparisons.
Going strictly on that canned State of Decay demo, Series X was faster by about 6x. So despite SeX's SSD being probably 20x+ faster than a normal HDD in Xbox One X, the real speed factor loading it up was really 6x.
It'll be interesting to see what the real world results are when the systems come out because based solely on the claimed SSD speeds, they are probably 20-40x faster than the stock HDDs.
This is not us "Sony fanboys" it's actual developers.
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There is literally going to be a port to install an ssd that you will be able to buy at best buy. I'm not the one trying to twist things here.Right.
Yet, they will not be 825 GB SSDs which he considers of the ideal cut for efficiency reasons, and they will not have six canals of priorities but two. How much of a difference is yet to be seen, but saying is the exact same thing seems structurally incorrect to me as to say that a bike and a motorbike are the same thing.
There are probably hundeds of devs drooling over XSX online. Its so silly to hand pick ones. Devs are fanboys too, they are gamers too, why would they not have a favorite side?you fail to realize that developers are also fanboys, they are humans.
no one, not even MS, was coming up with a million different reasons as to why the xb1 was in fact equal to ps4 in power.
yall sound like misterxmedia
By the time developers get to making games that RT intensive the mid-gen refresh will be out at 18 tf.I'm predicting that eventually there will be third party games that don't even use RT on the PS5 version.
2.4gbs "sustained" puts you in the top 4 of pc gamers top ssd's that was posted 8 hours ago. That mid range ssd sure does stack up well. They both have fast ssd's. Sony's is even faster. Those statements are not mutually exclusive.Mid range SSD which is the correct design choice it allowed them budget left over for 60mm on the apu and 2tf without extreme overclocking.
Look, I don't deny that.There is literally going to be a port to install an ssd that you will be able to buy at best buy. I'm not the one trying to twist things here.