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I love when people use 'dwarf' in this context. Frocking awesome!
that was lower, and no.Kon Tiki said:Did you ever recover your stolen one?
If it does, it'll just lose that lead around Nov when Pokemon hits That you can take to the bank.
The Abominable Snowman said:Pokemon does not have that strong a pull anymore.
DCharlie said:of course, the anecdotal stories come the other way
Of our gang of guys, all the girls who had previously no interest (or out and out distaste) in gaming all own DS's. That's 4 or so buyers who wouldn't touch gaming getting a DS.
At first, i thought it was nintendogs... but then they got brain training... then seeing them all playing Mario Kart together at various parties... it's a real turnaround. If you'd told them over a year ago that they'd be the ones initiating wireless games with the guys, they'd have told us they were crazy.
Mrs C mother - DS owner, Brother - DS owner, Father - DS owner
Jonnyrams inlaws - DS owners
Cormacaronis wife - DS owner
My boss (hates games) - DS owner, his wife - DS owner
the list goes on.
I'm not saying that there is no evidence of sony opening up handheld gaming to the sony user base - that's obviously the case - i just think the DS reach is beyond that. It doesn't even need people to be into Nintendo, gaming , or whatever - it's pulling in people of it's own accord.
For that reason, i think this article is off the mark.
Notice that Brain Training is not out in the US yet. If it has the same success in US and Europe as Japan, PSP is not going to be cruising as this report suggests. Nintendogs worked, so there is no reason to assume Brain Training won't.Mrbob said:Err, don't you live in Japan?
This article is strictly talking about the USA market. The same market where the PSP outsold the DS in Nintendos biggest month of the year and by over a million units for the entire year.
Next Gen: U.S. sales of Sony PSP will dwarf those of DS over the next 5 years
Jonnyram said:Notice that Brain Training is not out in the US yet. If it has the same success in US and Europe as Japan, PSP is not going to be cruising as this report suggests. Nintendogs worked, so there is no reason to assume Brain Training won't.
Jonnyram said:Notice that Brain Training is not out in the US yet. If it has the same success in US and Europe as Japan, PSP is not going to be cruising as this report suggests. Nintendogs worked, so there is no reason to assume Brain Training won't.
Mrbob said:Brain Training games come out, and they sell 1 million copies each, soooo? I expect them to do well, they are Nintendo games after all.
This article is strictly talking about the USA market. The same market where the PSP outsold the DS in Nintendos biggest month of the year and by over a million units for the entire year.
Mrbob said:This article is strictly talking about the USA market. The same market where the PSP outsold the DS in Nintendos biggest month of the year and by over a million units for the entire year.
Mrbob said:Err, don't you live in Japan?
This article is strictly talking about the USA market. The same market where the PSP outsold the DS in Nintendos biggest month of the year and by over a million units for the entire year.
Sho Nuff said:I wonder if people will dig on Brain Training.
AMAZON REVIEW: 0 STARS
Review by BobbyB_696969
IF I COEULD GIVE THIS GAME NEGATIVE STARS I WOULD LOL. THIS GAME IS SHIT. ITS LIKE GOING TO SCHOOL. IF I WANTED TO GO TO SCHOOL I WOULD GO TO SCHOOL. I NEVER WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL AND NOW NINTENDO IS CHARGEING MONEY FOR SOMETHING LIKE MS FLETCHERS ENGLISH CLASS. DONT BUY THIS UNLESS U LIKE SCHOOL AND AM SOME KIND OF A NERD.
Sho Nuff said:I wonder if people will dig on Brain Training.
AMAZON REVIEW: 0 STARS
Review by BobbyB_696969
IF I COEULD GIVE THIS GAME NEGATIVE STARS I WOULD LOL. THIS GAME IS SHIT. ITS LIKE GOING TO SCHOOL. IF I WANTED TO GO TO SCHOOL I WOULD GO TO SCHOOL. I NEVER WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL AND NOW NINTENDO IS CHARGEING MONEY FOR SOMETHING LIKE MS FLETCHERS ENGLISH CLASS. DONT BUY THIS UNLESS U LIKE SCHOOL AND AM SOME KIND OF A NERD.
Barry Lightning said:Late breaking news: 2% of people surprised
seriously...i mean, come on...
Sho Nuff said:I wonder if people will dig on Brain Training.
AMAZON REVIEW: 0 STARS
Review by BobbyB_696969
IF I COEULD GIVE THIS GAME NEGATIVE STARS I WOULD LOL. THIS GAME IS SHIT. ITS LIKE GOING TO SCHOOL. IF I WANTED TO GO TO SCHOOL I WOULD GO TO SCHOOL. I NEVER WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL AND NOW NINTENDO IS CHARGEING MONEY FOR SOMETHING LIKE MS FLETCHERS ENGLISH CLASS. DONT BUY THIS UNLESS U LIKE SCHOOL AND AM SOME KIND OF A NERD.
BudokaiMR2 said:But I am also really doubting the success of Brain Training in the US. But you have to remember that there are a lot of kids with DS systems, right? I mean that is a given. Who buys the kids games? Parents. I can see a lot of parents picking it up for their kids, even if they hate it. Haha.
Jonnyram said:I think you guys are totally missing the point of the Brain Training games here.
They're actually marketed at adults as a way to envigorate your brain and make you better at thinking, by reducing the age of your brain. The perfect brain age is 20, and as you get older, your brain slows down and you lose your ability to make quick logical decisions. This software trains your brain and tests your progress. It's not for kids at all, though kids get some enjoyment out of it, especially when competing with their parents.
The Brain Flex software, however, can be totally enjoyed by younger people. It's still great for adults who want to loosen their brain a bit and it enables you to think more laterally after training.
All the software is aimed at selling the DS to people who don't give a crap about playing games. But then they get hooked on this and since they have a DS they start noticing other games. That's exactly what is happening in Japan right now and there is no reason why it can't happen in the west with the right marketing. I'm not Japanese and I enjoy it, so go figure. What's more, when the English version comes out, I'll be buying it for my parents back home, just as we bought the Japanese version for my wife's parents at Christmas.
Sony is making these games?Shaheed79 said:We already know what the PSP is getting more PS2/PS3 games. I just don't see a portable Devil May Cry or Metal Gear game being anywhere near the success of their console counterparts. GTA will be lucky to sell a quarter of the amount of Vice City (yeah right). Handheld games must be designed with portable gameplay in mind from the Ground up and Sony just hasn't figured this out yet. They just figure "hey we'll just put our BEST PS2 games on the PSP and BAM, instant success". It just doesn't work that way.
Mook1e said:Sony is making these games?
It looks to me like third parties are doing this.
The console-quality-games-on-the-go handheld market has just been created. It'll take everyone a little while to get used to what works and what doesn't.
PSP is a great platform to put any kind of handheld game on if you develop them right.
This is why it's going to do fine.
That said, I don't know if I agree with this prediction. I know I don't agree with the prediction made last year that there will be a PSP out this year w/ a HD. But hey it is just a prediction.
AniHawk said:Next Gen is right. Thankfully this DS fad is almost over.
marc^o^ said:AniHawk was sarcastic ;-)
That's the thing with sarcasm: you can be misinterpreted when people don't know you well.AniHawk said:OH WAS I NOW?
Yeah. It's hard to get a straight answer out of Ani.marc^o^ said:That's the thing with sarcasm: you can be misinterpreted when people don't know you well.
M3wThr33 said:Yeah. It's hard to get a straight answer out of Ani.
At least when they aren't related to Sega sales.
M3wThr33 said:Yeah. It's hard to get a straight answer out of Ani.
At least when they aren't related to Sega sales.
Um, yeah.Shaheed79 said:You think they're doing them right? Aside from Monster Hunter, Lumines and to an extent GTA I would have to disagree for the most part.
Sony has to green-light every single PSP game released and they designed the hardware so yes it is on Sony to an extent. The reason why 3rd parties are devoloping so many ports/upgrades for PSP is because it is cheaper to do so than to develop a brand new 3D IP from the ground up specifically for PSP when they can just do a port/remake/upgrade that would sell just as much (in their eyes). PSP's powerful hardware is both a blessing and a curse. Games like GTA and Dynasty Warriors have never been possible on handhelds up until this point which means more fluid 3D in huge 3D worlds. But the trade-off is that of the resources such a game would require when it is practically garunteed to not sell as much as the console version.
Ok it's time to just get this out in the open so everyone understands.
Handhelds, have traditionally had much lower tie ratios than consoles. This has nothing to do with Nintendo monopolizing the library this has been true with ALL portables and the PSP is not likely to change this trend. This will make publishers think twice about funding brand new 3D games with graphics similar to PS2. It may be cheaper than deving for the PS2 but it is nowhere near as cheap as devoloping a new game for the GBA/DS and this has a lot to do with art assets not needing to be as detailed along with a myriad of other differences which make PSP games make DS games look like crap. Sony has in effect created a double edged sword as 3rd party publishers don't just expect to make money on their handheld games, but rather NEED to make money off their handheld projects if only to off-set the costs of their console projects. This will become even more important to publishers as next-gen kicks into full throttle and game development costs increase by a nice amount.
Lastly, value cannot be measured in graphics alone. PSP games are between 40-50 bucks but who is to say these games contain more value than a 30 dollar DS game like Advance Wars? Handheld games are about content..content..content first and foremost, NOT graphics. This is why Pokemon spanked the hell out of just about everything and Monster Hunter PSP is becoming the best selling PSP game in Japan. Pickup and play games with lots of content is what 3rd parties need to concentrate on not a portable version of Fight Night 3. EA will continue to be successful making PSP versions of their console games but I don't see too many other publishers having that sort of success besides maybe Rockstar. If that is what PSP owners want then thats fine but I don't think portables can be primarily used for console ports and have GBA like success. Maybe the PSP will prove me wrong though.
Sure... but the problem here is, they're clearly mixing "factory shipments" (for 13 million PSP) with "sell-in" (for 13 million DS) to arrive at these fataly flawed projections. Using sell-through estimations or shipment figures for both would be fine, but that's not what's been done here...Pimpwerx said:This is why the numbers are useless, and have been since they first became popular on this forum. The trackers are flawed. They have accuracy issues that compound, and there's no actual accountability with any of the free sources.
OTOH, companies have to give "facts" to shareholders. It comes in the form of shipments most of the time, but those numbers normalize over time anyway. If they expect Sony to outship Nintendo by 10M units or something over that period of time, it's not like there's a chance they expect the numbers to really be close.
Estimates aren't facts. You're playing the same game as the analysts in the articles, but you just have a source that you consider reliable, when it's not. No more/less reliable than shipments in any case. It just doesn't favor your argument as well. PEACE.
So you'd say DS and PSP both moving about 13 million units worldwide each is a "solid" number?sonycowboy said:They're solid. They put out a monthly report that focus's on a variety of VG topics. They're always EXTREMELY solid in their numerical analysis. And, in the investment community, Susquehanna is top rated.
elostyle said:My japanese girlfriend told me that brain training is sort of a fashion among older people there, I wonder if it can do the same in the west. Do we think japanese elderly people are a little more open towards trying electronic gadgets that were previously considered toys?
Been meaning to ask you, but where do you get this "factory shipments" thing from, anyway? As far as I know, shipped is shipped. Sell-in=shipped. Is Sony counting units shipped that aren't already part of a paid order? This is like the debacle over the PS2 JP launch numbers, with people bickering over when units were actually shipped or not, and forming their own conclusion devoid of evidence. IOW, do you have a link to support that? I've never seen it mentioned in their earnings reports. PEACE.jarrod said:Sure... but the problem here is, they're clearly mixing "factory shipments" (for 13 million PSP) with "sell-in" (for 13 million DS) to arrive at these fataly flawed projections. Using sell-through estimations or shipment figures for both would be fine, but that's not what's been done here...
Pimpbaa said:It's kinda easy actually, since it seems they do not like games any more, only non-games.
Er... the article?Pimpwerx said:Been meaning to ask you, but where do you get this "factory shipments" thing from, anyway? As far as I know, shipped is shipped. Sell-in=shipped. Is Sony counting units shipped that aren't already part of a paid order? This is like the debacle over the PS2 JP launch numbers, with people bickering over when units were actually shipped or not, and forming their own conclusion devoid of evidence. IOW, do you have a link to support that? I've never seen it mentioned in their earnings reports. PEACE.
SIG has compared year-by-year sales and estimates for the first five years of each machine's life, using sell-in and factory shipments. It points out that in its first year both PSP and DS managed around 13 million units each, with DS slightly ahead.
This rant reads really strange since you bookended it like this. To lay out games like Lumines and GTA as "doing it right" while chastising EA for porting FN3 rather than making pickup and play games makes little sense since FN3 is arguably more pickup and play friendly than either Lumines or GTA are at least.Shaheed79 said:You think they're doing them right? Aside from Monster Hunter, Lumines and to an extent GTA I would have to disagree for the most part.
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Pickup and play games with lots of content is what 3rd parties need to concentrate on not a portable version of Fight Night 3.
Multimedia capabilities are a big selling point for the PSP. What will be the market of multemedia devices in 3 years from now ? There is already devices with better screens than PSP, this market is developping really really fast.biggreenmachine said:It's a pretty lame assumption because... Nintendo wont be selling the DS in its current form for 5 more years, Guaranteed. The PSP however will likely not see a redeesign in the next 5 years.
Koren said:Multimedia capabilities are a big selling point for the PSP. What will be the market of multemedia devices in 3 years from now ? There is already devices with better screens than PSP, this market is developping really really fast.