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[Aaronology]

If she held a private talk with him it would be nothing but lip service, and we both know this.

Lets get real, black people are going to vote for her no matter what simply because the other side is the greater evil as Kaepernick mentions. Anything she says won't need to be done because as a voting block she will always have this group. This is the reality of accepting the lesser evil.

In HRC we have a woman whose activism began with civil rights advocacy in the 60s, who was demonstrably willing to risk her life fighting segregation undercover in Alabama while working for Marian Wright Edelman, who has made institutionalized racism a key proponent of her campaign, who has spent decades interacting with and outreaching to the black community and specifically focused on it this election, who has become the first candidate in a GE debate to unequivocally call out the GOP's racism and who is notably, factually more honest than politicians in general and specifically every other Presidential candidate this cycle. Why do you believe that this woman would now, in 2016, only pay lip service to the progression of civil rights in the United States when she has been fighting for it literally her entire adult life and longer than Colin Kaepernick has even been alive?

Please highlight what it is in record and her past that makes you believe this, Mesousa.




Edit: Here is an open question to this thread. What would Clinton need to do to convince her critics, from Kaepernick to those on GAF, that she is a sincere advocate of civil rights?

 

[effzee]

Kaepernick retweeted this link today, might help explain his position to some of you.

https://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/

The very end is relevant to this thread:





Right on, that makes sense.

Yeah I am sick and tired of this lesser of 2 evils BS. Hillary isn't just the lesser of two evils, she is highly qualified, educated, and experienced to run a country. No one issue or issues will be solved overnight nor will the attitude that if we don't get our candidate then F everybody and the whole country.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Yeah I am sick and tired of this lesser of 2 evils BS. Hillary isn't just the lesser of two evils, she is highly qualified, educated, and experienced to run a country. No one issue or issues will be solved overnight nor will the attitude that if we don't get our candidate then F everybody and the whole country.

You didn't read the link.

 

[atr0cious]

You didn't read the link.

That link essentially says blacks shouldn't vote, especially citing WEB Dubios who literally went back to Africa after shit didn't change. That's who we should be listening to?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

That link essentially says blacks shouldn't vote, especially citing WEB Dubios who literally went back to Africa after shit didn't change. That's who we should be listening to?

Michelle Alexander wrote The New Jim Crow, and you also didn't read the link.

 

[atr0cious]

Michelle Alexander wrote The New Jim Crow, and you also didn't read the link.

We have an entire thread on it and you can read my thoughts there. The article is literally only the right wing version of her career, mainly highlighting what bill clinton did. It's an eloquent gaf post.

 

[effzee]

You didn't read the link.

I read it back when it came out earlier this year. Disagreeing with Hillary or her husband's past is one thing, you can argue policy and intent in hindsight but I will never agree that this a choice between two evils.

One candidate literally has the support of the Nazis, KKK, and the far right movement in the country. The other candidate has had a long history in politics with mixed results and acknowledged her and her husband's mistakes. She has fought for women and minority rights. She is educated, sane, and fit to be a leader.

If you reduce her or this election to a choice between 2 evils you are doing a disservice to her and under estimating the hate movement of Trump.

 

[Mesousa]

In HRC we have a woman whose activism began with civil rights advocacy in the 60s, who was demonstrably willing to risk her life fighting segregation undercover in Alabama while working for Marian Wright Edelman, who has made institutionalized racism a key proponent of her campaign, who has spent decades interacting with and outreaching to the black community and specifically focused on it this election, who has become the first candidate in a GE debate to unequivocally call out the GOP's racism and who is notably, factually more honest than politicians in general and specifically every other Presidential candidate this cycle. Why do you believe that this woman would now, in 2016, only pay lip service to the progression of civil rights in the United States when she has been fighting for it literally her entire adult life and longer than Colin Kaepernick has even been alive?

Please highlight what it is in record and her past that makes you believe this, Mesousa.




Edit: Here is an open question to this thread. What would Clinton need to do to convince her critics, from Kaepernick to those on GAF, that she is a sincere advocate of civil rights?

Yet even all this activism didnt stop her from attending the wedding, and having a husband pal around with a man who was sued for housing discrimination during a time she was fighting against it. That is the nature of the beast Aaron.

I believe she would only pay lip service because at the end of the day she is at the top now. No gunning law student/young attorney out to make a name for themselves, but someone at the top with mainstream interests to serve.

 

[atr0cious]

Yet even all this activism didnt stop her from attending the wedding, and having a husband pal around with a man who was sued for housing discrimination during a time she was fighting against it. That is the nature of the beast Aaron.

I believe she would only pay lip service because at the end of the day she is at the top now. No gunning law student/young attorney out to make a name for themselves, but someone at the top with mainstream interests to serve.

They are influential politicians, theyre gonna know shitty people. That means absolutely nothing. More feelings bullshit in the face of evidence and logic, which is sexism.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

People aren't kidding; this really is all about you guys being completely terrified people aren't going to vote for Hillary, to the point where saying anything you don't imagine inspires people is frowned upon like this.

You can absolutely talk about "lesser of two evils" comparing a white supremacist to a person who supported devastating changes to our prison industrial system resulting in the worst child poverty in the world, nearly 50% black unemployment, one strike rules for housing, and redirecting $20 billion from housing to prisons. We can still talk about her need to reverse these problems when in power while voting for her.

 

[atr0cious]

People aren't kidding; this really is all about you guys being completely terrified people aren't going to vote for Hillary, to the point where saying anything you don't imagine inspires people is frowned upon like this.

You can absolutely talk about "lesser of two evils" comparing a white supremacist to a person who supported devastating changes to our prison industrial system resulting in the worst child poverty in the world, nearly 50% black unemployment, one strike rules, and redirecting $20 billion from housing to prisons. We can still talk about her need to reverse these problems when in power.

How come I don't see anyone tearing apart biden for writing the bill? They didn't fully think through how bad it would get, and are contrite about fixing it, but hey let's call them evil for supporting something the black community was clamoring for! Did you know Hillary was against same sex marriage? Obviously she just wants the gays vote and it's not like she could ever change, she's evil after all.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Biden's not running for president. When he was, I didn't care for him mostly for the Patriot Act.

I'm holding Hillary accountable for saying she regrets what she's done to black America and will fix it. I hope you will too.

 

[ColdDeckEd]

Yet even all this activism didnt stop her from attending the wedding, and having a husband pal around with a man who was sued for housing discrimination during a time she was fighting against it. That is the nature of the beast Aaron.

I believe she would only pay lip service because at the end of the day she is at the top now. No gunning law student/young attorney out to make a name for themselves, but someone at the top with mainstream interests to serve.

One guy highlights a lifetime of service as evidence of HRC's commitment to helping minorities, and the other guy uses attending the Donald's wedding as evidence against it. Are you really trying to say that her attending that wedding is proof she is "just as bad"?

 

[Trey]

How come I don't see anyone tearing apart biden for writing the bill? They didn't fully think through how bad it would get, and are contrite about fixing it, but hey let's call them evil for supporting something the black community was clamoring for! Did you know Hillary was against same sex marriage? Obviously she just wants the gays vote and it's not like she could ever change, she's evil after all.

Voting for politicians is not a black and white affair. We can absolutely hold her accountable for the things she's fucked up - the lives she has a hand in destroying. People can hold all those concepts to heart, and still vote for her.

It's not going to be forgotten, all of Hillary's missteps. I'm voting for her despite all this, but it's still something I'm not ever going to forget - nor will I sugarcoat it.

 

[Aaronology]

Voting for politicians is not a black and white affair. We can absolutely hold her accountable for the things she's fucked up - the lives she has a hand in destroying. People can hold all those concepts to heart, and still vote for her.

It's not going to be forgotten, all of Hillary's missteps. I'm voting for her despite all this, but it's still something I'm not ever going to forget - nor will I sugarcoat it.

Let's be clear, this is not about holding her accountable. No one is giving Clinton a free pass here, or suggesting she deserves such. PoC would be remiss to give any politician unquestioned loyalty in America, as the way forward is going to be paved via diligently making sure the people we elect do the jobs we demand of them. As a voter, I intend to hold HRC and the Democratic Party to their word.

However, what is happening in this thread is wholesale doubting her dedication to civil rights and calling into question her lifelong advocacy for those less fortunate. So I return to my open question: What exactly would Hillary Clinton need to do to convince those who doubt this aspect of her candidacy and what should she be doing now to exemplify her sincerity?

 

[Mesousa]

They are influential politicians, theyre gonna know shitty people. That means absolutely nothing. More feelings bullshit in the face of evidence and logic, which is sexism.

Shitty people isnt the same as a guy who actively discriminated against brown people. Lets get real. If my life of work is framed to standing up to big oil you wouldnt catch me paling around with an oil Baron.

One guy highlights a lifetime of service as evidence of HRC's commitment to helping minorities, and the other guy uses attending the Donald's wedding as evidence against it. Are you really trying to say that her attending that wedding is proof she is "just as bad"?

Lesser to two evils doesnt mean just as bad. Kaepernick never said she was just as bad either.

 

[piratepwnsninja]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/obama-colin-kaepernick-anthem-228880

Obama, noooooo.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/obama-colin-kaepernick-anthem-228880

Obama, noooooo.

Ha, this could be taken poorly for sure. I like it, though. He's telling everyone to consider other people's perspective and life experience like I always do, because it's very easy for everyone (me included) to talk past others about the many sides of this.

“Sometimes out of these controversies, we start getting into a conversation, and I want everybody to listen to each other,” Obama said. “So I want Mr. Kaepernick and others who are on a knee, I want them to listen to the pain that that may cause somebody who, for example, had a spouse or a child who was killed in combat, and why it hurts them to see somebody not standing.”

The president added, however: “I also want people to think about the pain that he may be expressing about somebody who’s lost a loved one that they think was unfairly shot.”

 

[Chichikov]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/obama-colin-kaepernick-anthem-228880

Obama, noooooo.

You should watch his full answer.
I don't think that politico article captured what he was saying.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/obama-colin-kaepernick-anthem-228880

Obama, noooooo.

Yeah sorry Obama but I fucking disagree. Thinking about the pain caused to others by non violent protest of state sanctioned violence is not something I am gonna support. If the flag means so much to those people, get off your ass and help enact the change so it can be "respected" faster.

I dont agree with villifying this type of none violent protest in any way shape or form. A protest that doesn't rattle any cages is a useless protest. I dont gree with weaponizing the work of soldiers to discourage people from taking a stand.

 

[ColdDeckEd]

Shitty people isnt the same as a guy who actively discriminated against brown people. Lets get real. If my life of work is framed to standing up to big oil you wouldnt catch me paling around with an oil Baron.



Lesser to two evils doesnt mean just as bad. Kaepernick never said she was just as bad either.

Lesser of two evils still means they are both evil, no?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Lesser of two evils still means they are both evil, no?

How many national politicians can you name who aren't in some way?

 

[ColdDeckEd]

How many national politicians can you name who aren't in some way?

That's moving the goalposts quite a bit.

I don't think anyone is saying Hillary is above any criticism, she's not. The point of contention is the "just as bad" (and yes saying lesser of two evils is the same imo) notion. It's a right wing talking point, used to dissuade people to vote for Hillary. While most say they will end up voting for Hillary, what should be a slam dunk has turned into Dwight howard shooting a free throw, because of that line of reasoning.

As it relates to Kaep, he is entitled to his option of course but I just wish he had done more research on the type of work HRC has done her whole life, instead of listening to the people that say "just as bad" without any kind of real investigation.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

That's moving the goalposts quite a bit.

I don't think anyone is saying Hillary is above any criticism, she's not. The point of contention is the "just as bad" (and yes saying lesser of two evils is the same imo) notion. It's a right wing talking point, used to dissuade people to vote for Hillary. While most say they will end up voting for Hillary, what should be a slam dunk has turned into Dwight howard shooting a free throw, because of that line of reasoning.

As it relates to Kaep, he is entitled to his option of course but I just wish he had done more research on the type of work HRC has done her whole life, instead of listening to the people that say "just as bad" without any kind of real investigation.

You guys are still looking at this as Democrat vs Republican in America, not capitalism vs the world, which is the bigger picture. Many people think capitalism itself is evil and itself a part of white supremacy, so anyone continuing these ideas is already on the shit list. A majority of young Americans reject capitalism (and socialism) right now. Consider his and others' perspectives from a global perspective of freeing people of color.

 

[Big Baybee]

Biden's not running for president. When he was, I didn't care for him mostly for the Patriot Act.

I'm holding Hillary accountable for saying she regrets what she's done to black America and will fix it. I hope you will too.

Bernie was running. Were you a fan of his? What are your thoughts on his record on policing in America?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Bernie was running. Were you a fan of his? What are your thoughts on his record on policing in America?

I think it's suspect he didn't have a "racial justice" section on his website until the first BLM protest of him, and his continued reliance on saying economics will save black people felt like he wasn't in touch with black America.

Racism is a global problem bigger than Clinton vs Trump or Bernie vs Trump, and the national response to that first BLM protest in the election was a good example of how many people who think they're super liberal don't seem to understand or appreciate that.

 

[Aaronology]

You guys are still looking at this as Democrat vs Republican in America, not capitalism vs the world, which is the bigger picture. Many people think capitalism itself is evil and itself a part of white supremacy, so anyone continuing these ideas is already on the shit list. A majority of young Americans reject capitalism (and socialism) right now. Consider his and others' perspectives from a global perspective of freeing people of color.

I am not, Liu Kang. I am looking at this as an individual being called racist and evil who in their own past put a great deal on the line for civil rights without fame or the safety of fame by a person of color who has both. It's incredibly counterproductive. And if I'm gonna be a little honest, it's embarrassing to see a PoC with the attention of the nation be so publicly daft.

I appreciate the conversation he started, but it doesn't inoculate him from justified criticism. CK is demonstrably clueless about the person he is casting aspersions onto with his newfound platform. We should absolutely, positively continue to hold HRC accountable for her actions, her gaffes and her mistakes despite her extensive past of fighting for civil rights. But Kaepernick just stepped into a ring already covered with decades of Clinton's sweat and our struggles are steep enough without throwing punches at those have squarely placed themselves in our corner. And anyone who doubts Hillary is such a person has not been paying attention.


In any case, I think I'm exhausted of this subtopic. I appreciate the responses I've gotten but arguing with people who I know ultimately want the same things I do is a little draining. Here is an image I found pretty amusing today:

 

[BlackClouds]

Kaepernick is contradicting himself. He says basically that both sides are corrupt. But then also says go vote. One of the biggest reasons given for not voting that I have seen is that both sides are corrupt. Also there's this expectation in America that politics shouldn't be dirty like other, poorer, third world countries. That's privilege talking and a bit annoying but seen frequently.

The protest that he started was fine but he's also full of anti-voting rhetoric while telling people to go vote.

Also about Obama's comments, he's seen activists up front do exactly that to him (talk past him without listening), to his face. I think he knows what he's talking about as he usually does.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Kaepernick is contradicting himself. He says basically that both sides are corrupt. But then also says go vote. One of the biggest reasons given for not voting that I have seen is that both sides are corrupt. Also there's this expectation in America that politics shouldn't be dirty like other, poorer, third world countries. That's privilege talking and a bit annoying but seen frequently.

The protest that he started was fine but he's also full of anti-voting rhetoric while telling people to go vote.

You guys are sounding like people complaining about him taking a knee. People have lamented their final two candidates and state of American politics all my life, and those statements weren't taken as anti-voting or privileged. They were just standard.

 

[Goodstyle]

Ruth Bader Ginsberg has some words on Colin Kaepernik.

Spoiler

 

[Frozenprince]

He's now the 49ers starting QB.

 

[O.v.e.rlord]

He's now the 49ers starting QB.

Yeah, not because of this though. It's because Gabert air mails footballs to the fing moon lol

 

[superdeluxe]

Now we get to talk about how horrible of a QB Kaep is

 

[Gordon Shumway]

He's now the 49ers starting QB.

And we said:

Now we get to talk about how horrible of a QB Kaep is

And they said:

 

[The Albatross]

It's a bad decision by Chip Kelly to start him in Buffalo, I think. I think he would get support if his first start was at home, where fans were chanting "We want Kaep." But starting him in rural, upstate, overwhelmingly white, working class, Trump-country New York, I think is a mistake for the 49ers and Kaepernick.

I support Kaepernick with this, but he's a terrible quarterback. Starting a terrible quarterback in a hostile environment is something that ... I don't think is a good decision for the team, the QB, or the issue he's standing for. They'll be home against the Bucs the following week.

I dunno, Kelly is taking advantage of the long period between games (Thurs -> Sun) to swap out his starter.

 

[OnPoint]

It's a bad decision by Chip Kelly to start him in Buffalo, I think. I think he would get support if his first start was at home, where fans were chanting "We want Kaep." But starting him in rural, upstate, overwhelmingly white, working class, Trump-country New York, I think is a mistake for the 49ers and Kaepernick.

I support Kaepernick with this, but he's a terrible quarterback. Starting a terrible quarterback in a hostile environment is something that ... I don't think is a good decision for the team, the QB, or the issue he's standing for. They'll be home against the Bucs the following week.

I dunno, Kelly is taking advantage of the long period between games (Thurs -> Sun) to swap out his starter.

Dude. Buffalo is not the deep south And it's not "rural", nor do we consider ourselves Upstate. We're Western New York.. Yes there are some areas here that are rural, and are deplorably racist. But "Buffalo" itself is not some backwater farmtown that just happens to have a football team.

I'm not sure what you're worried will happen starting him here. They're going to boo him because he's an opponent. Not because of whether they agree or disagree with any of the stuff he's done.

Spoiler

For the record, I am fully behind his protests

 

[BronsonLee]

It's a mistake to start him against Buffalo cause they're gonna beat his ass and shut him out

 

[O.v.e.rlord]

And we said:

And they said:

They ain't Lying. Dude last year vs the Cards threw 2 pick 6s in the span of 5 mins. Good day for me. Fing hate the 49ers

 

[Link]

It's a bad decision by Chip Kelly to start him in Buffalo, I think. I think he would get support if his first start was at home, where fans were chanting "We want Kaep." But starting him in rural, upstate, overwhelmingly white, working class, Trump-country New York, I think is a mistake for the 49ers and Kaepernick.

I support Kaepernick with this, but he's a terrible quarterback. Starting a terrible quarterback in a hostile environment is something that ... I don't think is a good decision for the team, the QB, or the issue he's standing for. They'll be home against the Bucs the following week.

I dunno, Kelly is taking advantage of the long period between games (Thurs -> Sun) to swap out his starter.

They're trying to win football games. I don't think Chip Kelly is concerned about Kap getting booed.

I hope Kap stares down Rex Ryan after rushing for a touchdown.

 

[The Albatross]

Dude. Buffalo is not the deep south And it's not "rural", nor do we consider ourselves Upstate. We're Western New York.. Yes there are some areas here that are rural, and are deplorably racist. But "Buffalo" itself is not some backwater farmtown that just happens to have a football team.

I'm not sure what you're worried will happen starting him here. They're going to boo him because he's an opponent. Not because of whether they agree or disagree with any of the stuff he's done.

Spoiler

For the record, I am fully behind his protests

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Buffalo is one of the smallest metropolitan areas to have an NFL team... I think they're the 2nd smallest behind Green Bay, maybe I'm forgetting a couple of others. It's also one of the most segregated cities in the US, and the Bills happen to have a head coach who rallied for Donald Trump just a few months ago. Not that Rex Ryan is necessarily reflective of your average Bills fan, but Bills fans have some of the worst reputations for stadium behavior in the NFL and you're naive if you think that fans are going to boo Kaepernick because he's the opposing QB.

Sure, he'll be booed (sort of) for that reason, but he will predominantly be booed because of his political stance on this issue.

They're trying to win football games. I don't think Chip Kelly is concerned about Kap getting booed.

I hope Kap stares down Rex Ryan after rushing for a touchdown.

I'll be absolutely rooting for Kaep & the 49ers, but starting your -- recently really bad -- QB on the road against a pretty solid Bills team as of late, not sure if that's a good football move either. If they started him in San Fran next week, I think he would have come out to a chorus of cheers and standing ovation. Maybe Buffalo fans will prove me wrong.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

It's a bad decision by Chip Kelly to start him in Buffalo, I think. I think he would get support if his first start was at home, where fans were chanting "We want Kaep." But starting him in rural, upstate, overwhelmingly white, working class, Trump-country New York, I think is a mistake for the 49ers and Kaepernick.

I support Kaepernick with this, but he's a terrible quarterback. Starting a terrible quarterback in a hostile environment is something that ... I don't think is a good decision for the team, the QB, or the issue he's standing for. They'll be home against the Bucs the following week.

I dunno, Kelly is taking advantage of the long period between games (Thurs -> Sun) to swap out his starter.

Nah. We need a change and we need one now. Kap is a grown man and has won a lot of big games, home and away. No need to shield him. Either he can succeed or he cant. I'm excited!

 

[ProfessorMoran]

It's a mistake to start him against Buffalo cause they're gonna beat his ass and shut him out

This. Gabbo can't get the ball to the open receiver but Kap can't even find the open receiver.

Maybe he'll get completely rocked so we can go back to Gabbo and go 1-15.

 

[OnPoint]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Buffalo is one of the smallest metropolitan areas to have an NFL team... I think they're the 2nd smallest behind Green Bay, maybe I'm forgetting a couple of others. It's also one of the most segregated cities in the US, and the Bills happen to have a head coach who rallied for Donald Trump just a few months ago. Not that Rex Ryan is reflective of your average Bills fan, but Bills fans have some of the worst reputations for stadium behavior in the NFL and you're naive if you think that fans are going to boo Kaepernick because he's the opposing QB.

Sure, he'll be booed (sort of) for that reason, but he will predominantly be booed because of his political stance on this issue.

Yes our level of segregation is embarrassing. This means we're overwhelmingly racist? Or maybe it's 60+ years of corrupt politics and horrible decision making the city and region have to unbury themselves from under.

Rex Ryan's beliefs preclude all attending fans into being Trump supporters?

You're really going to presume to that the reason why 70,000+ fans are going to boo a player? And you're asserting that their supposed racism outweighs their desire to see the opposing team do poorly?

This team is 3-2, coming from 0-2, during a 16-year-playoff drought. They're excited to be winning. They're pumped up that this team has a chance -- even an outside chance -- to make the playoffs. The energy in that stadium is going to be pretty high. They're going to boo ANYBODY on that field who isn't a Buffalo Bill, regardless of skin color, position, or politics.

EDIT:

I will cede that, there is a HIGH possibility, that there will be a small but oh-so-visible percentage of fans at our tailgate that will make us look terrible Deadspin video style. Which terrifies me, because it definitely WILL make the entire region look bad.

 

[The Albatross]

Well Buffalo fans predictably looked like assholes today, which was reliably predictable. Nobody was booing him for being the opposing qb. Tens of thousands of fans booed him because of his stance on social justice.

Some fans did come out and stand behind Kaepernick, including some who had a march to the stadium holding signs in support of him, but the overwhelming majority of imagery is asshole moron Buffalo fans "tackling the Muslim" with a tackling dummy of Kaep and loudly booing him. Thankfully there was an intelligent Buffalo fan who says "this just makes Buffalo look bad..." As a group of people encourage "tackling the Muslim"

I think Kelly should have started him at home next week in an easy game in front of a friendly crowd. The game result wouldn't have been any differrnt. The imagery of a stadium standing and cheering for Kaepernick would have been good optics and he'd have a better chance winning the game than this drubbing in Buffalo, against a solid team and good coaching.

 

[Mesousa]

Well Buffalo fans predictably looked like assholes today, which was reliably predictable. Nobody was booing him for being the opposing qb. Tens of thousands of fans booed him because of his stance on social justice.

Some fans did come out and stand behind Kaepernick, including some who had a march to the stadium holding signs in support of him, but the overwhelming majority of imagery is asshole moron Buffalo fans "tackling the Muslim" with a tackling dummy of Kaep and loudly booing him. Thankfully there was an intelligent Buffalo fan who says "this just makes Buffalo look bad..." As a group of people encourage "tackling the Muslim"

I think Kelly should have started him at home next week in an easy game in front of a friendly crowd. The game result wouldn't have been any differrnt. The imagery of a stadium standing and cheering for Kaepernick would have been good optics and he'd have a better chance winning the game than this drubbing in Buffalo, against a solid team and good coaching.

Would they have cheered for him?

 

[yankeeforever2]

Well Buffalo fans predictably looked like assholes today, which was reliably predictable. Nobody was booing him for being the opposing qb. Tens of thousands of fans booed him because of his stance on social justice.

Some fans did come out and stand behind Kaepernick, including some who had a march to the stadium holding signs in support of him, but the overwhelming majority of imagery is asshole moron Buffalo fans "tackling the Muslim" with a tackling dummy of Kaep and loudly booing him. Thankfully there was an intelligent Buffalo fan who says "this just makes Buffalo look bad..." As a group of people encourage "tackling the Muslim"

I think Kelly should have started him at home next week in an easy game in front of a friendly crowd. The game result wouldn't have been any differrnt. The imagery of a stadium standing and cheering for Kaepernick would have been good optics and he'd have a better chance winning the game than this drubbing in Buffalo, against a solid team and good coaching.

You expected fans of a team to cheer for the opposing QB....................have you watched football before.

 

[LJ11]

Well Buffalo fans predictably looked like assholes today, which was reliably predictable. Nobody was booing him for being the opposing qb. Tens of thousands of fans booed him because of his stance on social justice.

Some fans did come out and stand behind Kaepernick, including some who had a march to the stadium holding signs in support of him, but the overwhelming majority of imagery is asshole moron Buffalo fans "tackling the Muslim" with a tackling dummy of Kaep and loudly booing him. Thankfully there was an intelligent Buffalo fan who says "this just makes Buffalo look bad..." As a group of people encourage "tackling the Muslim"

I think Kelly should have started him at home next week in an easy game in front of a friendly crowd. The game result wouldn't have been any differrnt. The imagery of a stadium standing and cheering for Kaepernick would have been good optics and he'd have a better chance winning the game than this drubbing in Buffalo, against a solid team and good coaching.

I'm sure he would've received more support if he were playing up in New England.

 

[Nabs]

Stay Classy, Buffalo

 

[dabig2]

You expected fans of a team to cheer for the opposing QB....................have you watched football before.

I think you should re-read the post because you obviously missed 95% of it. It's less that they were booing, and more the complete jingoistic, racism, and outright fuckery of their booing that makes it stand out.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

Now we get to talk about how horrible of a QB Kaep is

He sucked before he got replaced, I don't understand why Squidward fans kept clinging to that green bay game, he's not even as good as when he played himself out of the starting job last year, Gabbert isn't any good but he's still a better QB than Squidward.

Get a fucking haircut, at least trim the fro a bit, have some fucking self respect.