Crossing Eden
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It'd actually be really telling to find out how the business did during the eight years Bush was elected.
Holy shit...I hear the dress code is strict.
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NYT - Is Donald Trump a Racist? (Spoiler Alert: Yes)
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Yeah. From one of this week's Late Show remotes. The guy may have been playing around, or going with the play, or...well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPPh_s3x32o
Yes, the thread where people point out Cruz, Bush, Kasich, etc refuse to stand behind him?
The GOP is very divided, and it's for a very good reason.
Unity isn't a good thing when you're unifying behind something like Trump.
Everyone is divided, but you see it most in Republicans views of Democrats and vice versa. I fear that there will never even be close to any unity. A conservative with some liberal viewpoints will get shunned by the Conservatives and a liberal with some conservative viewpoints will get shunned by liberals. It's just unfortunate that moderate is a bad thing now.
One side doesn't consider me human, fuck them all day long.
Ninja Scooter
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I call bullshit on it being equal on both sides. Complete bullshit. You can't unite racists. Throughout American history progress has come in spite of racists, not because they were somehow united. The best we can do is shout them down, wait for them to die off and hope that the next generation is a little less racist. That's the best progress you can hope for when it comes to bigots and racists.
John Kowalski
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I mean, it's a statistical likelihood.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
No no, don't start with the "both sides" bullshit. When an entire party is actively racist, homophobic, and xenophobic, how is it an insult when they're borderline proud of being those things. FFS a woman, on live television, smirked as she was expressing the fact that she doesn't even know basic ass spanish and was equating it to Dora the Explorer.
Preach.
This "both sides are bad" is some weak willed bullshit. It comes from people knowing they are fucked up and refusing to admit and growup. they don't want to get their feelings hurt, too fucking bad
smokeandmirrors
Banned
hating on racists and bigots is just as bad as being racist and a bigot apparently.
some people are fighting for their lives and rights to be seen equally as other human beings. It's not like it's some secret or misunderstanding when it comes to the racism that Trump represents.
It doesn't really seem very logical to me, considering the context, that the side that's fighting against a rather huge obstacle that they have been struggling against for much of this country's history to be the one that needs to be taught 'respect and understanding', no?
No. Hell no. Nay. Negative. Never.
I am not going to show "respect" or "understanding" to a party or their ilk who views my race as inferior. And I'm getting real tired of the whole "both sides are the same" diatribe.
PLEASE show me where I said both sides ideals and treatment of people different than them are the same. I said both sides hate each other and become more divided all the time.
Perfect example. You have grown so far away from that side that you think thay literally every Republican and conservative views you as not human. I hate that that has happened to you. You've relinquished all understanding in favor of vilifying everyone who is not liberal.
Oh I think liberals probably vilify conservatives more than the other way, but it's very possible that I just see it more because I hear a lot more from liberals than conservatives online. I think it's great to show people that different races and different religions and whatnot should be treated the same as everybody else, but seeing them purely for those terrible (probably inherented) viewpoints is unfortunate.
Perfect example. You have grown so far away from that side that you think thay literally every Republican and conservative views you as not human. I hate that that has happened to you. You've relinquished all understanding in favor of vilifying everyone who is not liberal.
Oh I think liberals probably vilify conservatives more than the other way, but it's very possible that I just see it more because I hear a lot more from liberals than conservatives online. I think it's great to show people that different races and different religions and whatnot should be treated the same as everybody else, but seeing them purely for those terrible (probably inherented) viewpoints is unfortunate.
Gordon Shumway
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Fucking spoilers!!!
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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I just watched them shit on black people for 4 days straight, get real man.
Ninja Scooter
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Being racist or bigoted or homophobic or exclusionary DESERVES to be vilified. Vilifiying someone because they are AGAINST bigotry or hatred or racism or, because, heaven forbid someone thinks poor people should have healthcare (i.e. being a modern republican) is not on equal footing. It's the whole "You have to be tolerant of my intolerance, otherwise you are a bigot too!" argument. And it's stupid and weak as fuck.
John Kowalski
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Oh wow some money in this thread.
Those descriptors aren't just "insults". They aren't the same as slurs used against any minority group that and pervasive and persistent in the undercurrent that runs through society and it's attitudes.
It may seem like just some "outdated" ideal to you, but this shit is real out here and sorry if it makes your feel uncomfortable, but the alternative to not calling people on being a racist or a homophobe or whatever, as unfairly as that may or may not be (sorry but often it ends up being a slight discomfort in what is otherwise a lifetime of not having to live though the other side of things), is that people don't say anything and we go back to acting like racism no longer exists or that the world is so progressive that we've "evolved" beyond this or we are too smart for bigotry and hate and that these are simply "outdated" concepts that the majority doesn't really hold.
It won't ever be outdated until these things are no longer issues, whether these racists and bigots are just a vocal minority or not, if people are willing to elect a known bigot into the highest office in the country, they are willing to turn a blind eye to putting bigots in positions of power and continuing systemic oppression.
I mean, there are entire industries and media empires that were built demonstrating this to be very false.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Dude, OK:
a)racism
b)sexism
c)homophobia
d)xenophobia
^ In what way are these not traits that absolutely deserve to be vilified? Compared to the opposite, the opposite of racism, sexism, homophobia, and xenophobia is equality, equality doesn't deserve vilifying, but republicans spend an awful lot of time acting like it's the worst possible outcome for this country. And liberals vilify conservatives more than the other way around. No. Just no. Read the news.
I hear the dress code is strict.
sad to see a man lose all his self respect
Voysa Reezun
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These are the sorts of deluded, out-of-touch responses that someone who is privileged and who wants to appear to be above it all often makes. They are valueless. They don't recognize that one party pushed to gut the voting rights of non-white people. They don't recognize that one party vilifies immigrants with brown skin. They don't recognize that one party thinks that torturing gay people by electrocuting them until they magically become straight is a good idea.
It must be nice to sit there on your high horse waxing philosophically when in the real world, black folks are getting shot by police when they are helpless and then are blamed for it, when brown children are threatened with violence and invective for being brown, when transgender people have a ridiculous rate of suicide because of how one party treats them like circus freaks instead of like human beings.
Those goals and that language - of racism and sexism and homophobia - is codified into the GOP's own platform. If you are a voter for the GOP, this means that either you agree with those things, or that you value something else - maybe lower taxes for yourself, for example - over the human rights and the human dignity of other people because, hey, it doesn't affect you, after all (or you are deluded enough to think that you're somehow special and exempt from it even if you are in one of these targeted groups).
Your post is terrible. It's not in touch with the real world. I'd feel sorry for you except that there's no excuse. This information is freely available to you. Read it. There are people out there who are suffering because of what the GOP attempts to codify into actual law. Meet them.
DontBeThatGuy
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Hey, you can call my dad a racist, who's voted Republican all his life(and Trump might be what we need blah blah blah), because it's 100% true.
I also have one older brother who deep down is basically a neo-nazi, and regarding Trump, he's never been more fond of a Presidential candidate. Go figure.
It's a party of racists and racist/homophobe sympathizers, also terrible for the economy and poor folks.. Xenophobic as fuck too.
It's time to come to terms with these facts.
excelsiorlef
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One side wants to oppress basically anyone who isn't a straight cis white dude.
They need to come to us bro.
Racism, bigotry, xenophobia, homophobia deserve to be vilified. Not because of some circumstantial presidential election or any specific candidate, but because we need to eradicate them from our public discourse. We won't eradicate them from the world as that is just idealistic, but the public discourse should be cleansed from any hint of these.
DrForester
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The Daily Stormer article linked in that NTY story is... fascinating....
And very, very scary.
And very, very scary.
smokeandmirrors
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Only one side nominated a blatant racist to run for president. Only one side is actively attempting to undo the gains made by the LGBT community. Only one side wants to deport 11 million people and shock our economy in the process. Guess which side that is.
Since there are only two choices, I'll give you a hint: it's not the Democratic Party. The difference between the Republican Party and the Democratic Party is simple: the Republican Party deserves all the vilification it gets, and that's a fact. If conservatives' feelings are hurt because liberals know that 2+2=4 and gay people don't cause hurricanes, that's their problem.
Well, that's what happens when you vote for the racist, xenophobic, bigot nominee of the racist, homophobic, xenophobic, bigoted party.
It's funny how the left is always the one that has to "educate" and "have conversations" and "be nice" to the people who have no interest in listening to them. The left has to be the one that coddles and caters to the needs of regressives who want to strip minorities of their rights. It's completely pointless, and if insults and labels are enough to convince right-wingers that they should back someone like Donald Trump, they were never, ever going to listen to what the left has to say. What's the point in talking to people who won't listen (Republicans), or listening to people who have nothing of value to say (Republicans)?
Conservatives do not want to be educated. They don't want their minds to be changed. They're not interested in having conversations. If you try to educate them, you're an elitist prick with a fancy education and big college words. If you present them with facts, they shut down and become even more entrenched. Calling them out is more productive because it shows other Americans and the world that their hateful views (towards gay people, towards black people, towards Latinos . . . ) are not acceptable in American society, and American liberals should stop giving into conservative tone policing.
One side does not deserve my respect. If they want my respect, they have to earn it. As it stands, Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, and Ted-freaking-Cruz have more of my respect than the average Republican voter, because they actually have some kind of spine on them. They might not have done it for the right reasons, but the fact remains that they did do something.
The Cold War around the 1950s was the height of American political unity. Dwight Eisenhower disagreed with Democrats on many issues, but he wasn't a monster like Trump; he fought segregation (even if he wasn't all that enthusiastic about it) and he didn't cripple the economy or try to take us back to the 1800s. If you want to see unity, the Republican Party has to stop being the Regressive Party and it has to reject racism, homophobia, and bigotry. End of discussion.
The "both sides are bad" argument in regards to social politics comes from people who are either racist/sexist/homophobic themselves, close to someone who is and can't face the fact that they are close to someone who is a terrible fucking person when it comes to particular groups, or both.
It is an argument designed to deflect from those truths. But it is in no way sensible stance to take, especially in this climate. Both sides are not the same.
Ideals can be vilified. A whole group of people on a broader range of issues than just those don't have to be.
I read it all the time. I am not conservative. I'm not liberal. I think racism is something that has to change. You have done what I should have expected somebody to do, which is construe my disappointment at how incredibly divided and vilified the two political sides are these days into an endorsement of backwards outdated ideals. I can't wait until those ideals change and progress and I'm definitely not seeing anything change throughout the labels and insults and hate. I mean, sure, we can say let us hate the people who hate us. Let's treat them like they treat us. But what does that change? How does that let us progress.
dragonyeuw
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I'm not American, but like most countries in the free western world this election is going to have a profound impact outside US Borders. Can someone explain to me how this bigoted jackass has even gotten this far? When he first came on the scene I thought it was a publicity stunt, but this dude is now within 6 months of being voted on to run America and the free world by extension. What the living fuck?!
Principate
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Why doesn't he want to do the same with white people.
The same way Brexit passed, through bigotry and lying.
Ninja Scooter
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Those are the only issues. Those are the only things of any remote substance that Trump has brought up since he started running for President. He doesn't have any real stance or policies or ideas on anything other than "Mexicans are criminals, muslims are terrorists, women suck and BLM are responsible for dead cops, on and BTW my Veep hates gays". Everything else he has said with regards to any other issues are just fluff and one-liners. There's no substance to his campaign that isn't bigoted, so what other issues do you want people to focus on? Anybody who says they support Trump on any other issues than these is either a flatout liar and closeted bigot, or an idiot, and in both instances they should be called out.
I'm going to put this in the same way somebody in PoliGAF did the other day:
Your.
Party.
Nominated.
Trump.
And THEN rallied around him in the most tremendous display of fearmongering and hate than we've ever seen from politics in THIS country!
Last week Republicans set fire to the "Not All Republicans" argument. Maybe not all Republicans are raging nationalists who actively want to see the various groups who make up the "Other" oppressed. I'm willing to bet that's true. But you know what? Those Republicans don't matter anymore. Those Republicans don't represent the party anymore.
Soldiussnaku
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Yes, of course he is.
I understand the need for debate, but this man has proven on the biggest stage of them all, to one of the biggest crowds of them all ( the us population and global population) what he thinks of his fellow (coloured) man. His polices, speeches, PROMISES, plans and views is that of a racist. It's vile, but it is plain to see.
It's up to America to see if they want one in power, I dearly hope they don't vote one into the most powerful postion of government.
I understand the need for debate, but this man has proven on the biggest stage of them all, to one of the biggest crowds of them all ( the us population and global population) what he thinks of his fellow (coloured) man. His polices, speeches, PROMISES, plans and views is that of a racist. It's vile, but it is plain to see.
It's up to America to see if they want one in power, I dearly hope they don't vote one into the most powerful postion of government.
DragonSworne
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I have a hard time believing that the division between Republicans and Democrats is equal parts responsibility between both parties.
On one side you have vitriol coming from people simple because the other side strives for equality for all Americans.
When you hate someone simply because they want equality for all then the blame most definitely falls on you for any division.
On one side you have vitriol coming from people simple because the other side strives for equality for all Americans.
When you hate someone simply because they want equality for all then the blame most definitely falls on you for any division.
Crossing Eden
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The group of people constantly spouting those ideals absolutely deserve to be vilified, the GOP has no conceivable idea about how to run the country and have turned to these ideals solely.
Principate
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They should be but when you have a large number of humans that haven't shown respect and understand at worst shown abject hatred, at best apathy and emphatically display their wish to continue this you aren't going to get a nice squeaky clean resolution because there's far too many that don't want that in the first place. There will always be those that are getting screwed over as long as everyone only think about themselves and are unwilling to share and decrease their current priveledges. This is simply the rampaging point where the decision will be made and whose ideals to uphold.
Jmanunknown
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I am tired of this both sides bs its sickening to me when someone goes both sides enable that division. One side is actively trying to keep the other from oppressing people how is that even equal. Also wtf talking respecting and understanding someone who is racist and bigoted. Why should anyone respect someone who is actively trying to make other peoples lives worse on a mass scale? I mean if Donald Trump were to be elected the republicans would pretty much control every branch of government including the supreme court. They would repeal everything they could think of from Affordable care act to roe vs wade. hell I would would not put it past the republicans to try to repeal the civil rights act of 1964 and Fair housing act 1968. These are things their favorite son Ronald Regan actively fought against.
Voysa Reezun
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Yes, we could tell that you were above it all because of your "both sides are bad" rhetoric. Sure, the side that actively fights racism, sexism, etc. is just as bad as the side that tries to make those things a fabric of the American lifestyle.
You're naive. You're not in some movie where if I'm nice to a racist, then goshdarnit, he'll decide that I and other people who have black skin like me should get the same human and civil rights that he does. It's bullshit that you think that way.
I'm perfectly nice to everyone, but when someone stands up and argues that I'm less than them, I'm not going to put a hand around their shoulder and tell them that I understand where they're coming from, but I disagree. I will fight them with whatever legal and rhetorical means that I have to do so.
TheWarrior
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Just 24 hours after the Wikileaks stuff. Had to make sure they pull out the racism stuff right away to detract. I'm not sure if this strategy is working. I think the left needs to move towards policy attacks.
Trump has to have a policy first
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