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[captmcblack]

Oil Can Boyd: Most Feared Black Man Named After Inanimate Object And Allowed To Play In Boston When Not Picking Cotton With Which To Make Red Sox Jerseys Of His Era

 

[CajoleJuice]

moises alou

most feared handshake

 

[eznark]

moises alou

most feared handshake

You stole my joke! (I was waiting tile SanjuroLad responded to my earlier question)

 

[nincompoop]

As long as players like Rick Ferrell are in the hall of fame, Jim Rice deserves to be there as well

Fred Lynn for 2010!

Dwight Evans IMO

 

[eznark]

It's impossible to logically keep Ellis Burks out of the Hall of Fame now. In ten years, there is going to be an absolute flood of guys with better numbers than Jim Rice.

All you haters out there...Adam Dunn is now a Hall of Fame baseball player.

 

[GoutPatrol]

It's impossible to logically keep Ellis Burks out of the Hall of Fame now. In ten years, there is going to be an absolute flood of guys with better numbers than Jim Rice.

All you haters out there...Adam Dunn is now a Hall of Fame baseball player.

Numbers aren't everything.

 

[Sanjuro]

It's impossible to logically keep Ellis Burks out of the Hall of Fame now. In ten years, there is going to be an absolute flood of guys with better numbers than Jim Rice.

All you haters out there...Adam Dunn is now a Hall of Fame baseball player.

I think you look at the numbers way too much. Difference between Rice and the people you mentioned is that he was a dominate player in his era for about a decade.

 

[eznark]

Numbers aren't everything.

Well sure, he has to come up with a catchy label for himself. Most feared former college quarterback? Most feared underrated white guy who is hated by ignorant fans?

He has plenty of time to come up with something better.

Most feared Mr. 3TO.

 

[Y2Kev]

so this is the "ehhhhh they were FEARED" class?

 

[ViperVisor]

What are his Home/Away splits exactly?

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

I think you look at the numbers way too much. Difference between Rice and the people you mentioned is that he was a dominate player in his era for about a decade.

Exactly.

Plus, Rice was pre-Steroid Era. I think that helped his case immensely.

Now let's get Andrew Dawson and Tim Raines in there.

 

[jman2050]

I think you look at the numbers way too much. Difference between Rice and the people you mentioned is that he was a dominate player in his era for about a decade.

But he wasn't.

 

[Karakand]

I almost was gonna read SonicMegaDrive the riot act for rocking a Nintendon't avatar but then I read the filename.

Now if only he'd see the light about Sonic.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Oh, and another thing:

I have a sentimental side for guys who have spent their entire career with one team.

I know that shouldn't count towards hall voting....

But it does in my book.

I almost was gonna read SonicMegaDrive the riot act for rocking a Nintendon't avatar but then I read the filename.

Now if only he'd see the light about Sonic.

Hey, what are you digging around my profile for?

Keep that kinda nonsense on the Videogames board.

 

[Y2Kev]

NO NO NO GET OUT

3. Andre Dawson. On ravaged knees, he made eight All-Star teams, hit 438 home runs, drove home 1,591 runs, won eight Gold Gloves and finished in the top two in MVP voting three times, winning for the last-place Cubs in 1987.

I don't understand why Dawson supporters always cite his "ravaged knees" as a like thing that makes his numbers be better than they are. "He had bad knees! He gets bonus points!" You wouldn't say about Tony Gwynn: "The guy hit .320 every year -- and he was fat!" The Hawk had bad knees. That happens to athletes sometimes. Lou Gehrig had fucking ALS and he was still better than basically everyone else.

Despite the fact that The Hawk had bad knees -- which is immaterial -- he was a very very good baseball player. A baseball player who made crazy amounts of outs (evidenced by his career .323 OBP). The Gold Gloves are essentially pointless, the MVP voting is suspect at best, and his career numbers just don't stack up. Sorry. I loved the guy. I watched a lot of Cubs games on WGN and he was super fun to watch hit. But look at his career, man. I crunched all these #s for this post, and I'm too bored to do it again.

4. Rice. An absolutely dominant hitter for a decade in Boston. Like Morris, I think, Rice loses points on personality. And that's not right.

You know nobody loves Jim Ed more than I. But again...he just wasn't as dominant as everyone says he was. Look for yourself. It's true. He was awesome for like 3-4 years, but then his eyesight went south -- which maybe Heyman thinks should work in his favor -- and he had injuries and stuff. Then he had a resurgence later as a DH, but it was too late, and he was done at like 33.

People always say that Rice was "the most feared" and the "scariest guy to see at the plate" and stuff...but for many of the years he played, he wasn't actually the best hitter, or player, on his own team. Look at Rice, and now look at Dewey. And remember that Rice was not the greatest OF, and that he DHed a lot, and that Dewey was an excellent RF. Why Dewey doesn't get more love for the Hall I'll never know. I don't think he should be in, but he never even sniffs a "Consider This Guy" article, and Jim Ed gets them all the time.

Anyway, the point is, Jim Ed = no, not quite, sorry. Love you. First Sox jersey was 14. Saw you hit a mammoth HR at Fenway in 1984 that might still be airborne. Just didn't play long enough, or well enough.

http://www.firejoemorgan.com/search?q=andre+dawson

 

[Karakand]

Hey, what are you digging around my profile for?

right click ---> copy image location ---> paste into post

Keep that kinda nonsense on the Videogames board.

Cool but only if the gaming avatars and handles are banished there too. (Sorry Frankman)

 

[captmcblack]

Are *any* of Jim Rice's stats even individually HOF-worthy? Does he have an impossibly high career OPS, OBP, SLG or something? As it stands, he's like...a Jason Giambi in this era of ballplayers or something.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

right click ---> copy image ---> paste into post


Cool but only if the gaming avatars and handles are there too. (Sorry Frankman)

You're on a video game-themed forum.

You should be used to it by now.

 

[Y2Kev]

Are *any* of Jim Rice's stats even individually HOF-worthy? Does he have an impossibly high career OPS, OBP, SLG or something? As it stands, he's like...a Jason Giambi in this era of ballplayers or something.

These are "modern era" players with the same OPS+ as Jim Rice:

Moises Alou
Keith Hernandez
Kent Hrbek
Ryan Klesko
John Olerud
Tim Salmon
Sammy Sosa
Joe Torre
Chase Utley


I was going to suggest giambi but I don't want to have to build the case.

Baseball writers are dumb. This is totally a Hall of Pretty Good thing and that's why it took him 15 years.

 

[eznark]

I think you look at the numbers way too much. Difference between Rice and the people you mentioned is that he was a dominate player in his era for about a decade.

Well sure if you want to make stuff up, numbers are meaningless I suppose.

I mean, Adam Dunn may not be a toolsy player but he once impregnated a martian. Clearly he is a hall of famer.

Andre Dawson may have dwindled at the end of his career but he once ate 15 lamb fetuses. Get that man a plaque.

EDIT: Hrbek is a shoe in next vet committee vote. I can think of no more feared hitter whose last name starts Hr.

 

[clemenx]

Omar Vizquel better be in mother fuckers, if he could do backflips the media would be all over him.

How ironic is that only one Venezuelan votes for the HOF and he already said that won't be voting for him :lol

But yeah i don't like Rice being in... the hall of very good!!

I'd like to know who the hell voted for Jesse Orosco:lol

 

[Y2Kev]

Well sure if you want to make stuff up, numbers are meaningless I suppose.

I mean, Adam Dunn may not be a toolsy player but he once impregnated a martian. Clearly he is a hall of famer.

Andre Dawson may have dwindled at the end of his career but he once ate 15 lamb fetuses. Get that man a plaque.

EDIT: Hrbek is a shoe in next vet committee vote. I can think of no more feared hitter whose last name starts Hr.

hrbek also sharted six golden eggs once

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

I'd like to know who the hell voted for Jesse Orosco:lol

I guess they thought it was the veteran's committee ballot.

 

[eznark]

Omar Vizquel better be in mother fuckers, if he could do backflips the media would be all over him.

How ironic is that only one Venezuelan votes for the HOF and he already said that won't be voting for him :lol

But yeah i don't like Rice being in... the hall of very good!!

I'd like to know who the hell voted for Jesse Orosco:lol

I had a long, pretty great discussion last year on the merits of Omar Vizquel. I was on the fence until today. Now I think it's pretty obvious that the only criteria necessary is that your name is remembered ten years after you play. Also, Omar Vizquel is the most feared hitter by Jose Mesa, so you know know...sign him up.

Billy Jo Robideaux wants a plaque.

 

[LJ11]

What about Delgado? Don't look at the numbers though.

He doesn't strike me as a HoF, but then you look at the numbers....

 

[Karakand]

Start an internet sabremetric hall of fame.

That will show them.

(I'm assuming one doesn't already exist.)

 

[Y2Kev]

first player inducted is KEVIN YOUKILIS the GREEK GOD OF NOTHING

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

What about Delgado? Don't look at the numbers though.

He doesn't strike me as a HoF, but then you look at the numbers....

I'd put him in.

Get to 500, 1,500....sure, get him in, if he's clean.

 

[Y2Kev]

give us an example of someone you'd like out

 

[eznark]

Off the top of my head

Ozzie Smith

(Also, Addie Joss. I hate to say it because the guy had the greatest "stuff" ever, but I'm sorry, you were a sympathy inductee).

I'd put him in.

Get to 500, 1,500....sure, get him in, if he's clean.

Why is your thresh hold so much higher for Delgado than for Rice? Don't say era, because Rice's era was not 100+ homers harder than today.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

give us an example of someone you'd like out

Assuming you mean somebody not already in there, but will have a strong case made for them...


Juan Gonzalez.

2 time MVP, and has good numbers, but I don't think they were good enough for his era.

Also, he played for Texas. And that makes me wonder.

 

[captmcblack]

Don Mattingly should be in the HOF now.
He is possibly the best 1B to ever live for 6 seasons from 1984 to 1989.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

first player inducted is KEVIN YOUKILIS the GREEK GOD OF NOTHING

 

[Zep]

Well if Delgado gets the nod...Howard will be a shoe-in!

 

[eznark]

first player inducted is KEVIN YOUKILIS the GREEK GOD OF NOTHING

My first player would be Joe Morgan, both because he deserves it and because he would hate it so much.

Well if Delgado gets the nod...Howard will be a shoe-in!

Jim Rice's election makes half of the Phillies 08 roster hall of famers.

 

[CajoleJuice]

Don Mattingly should be in the HOF now.
He is possibly the best 1B to ever live for 6 seasons from 1984 to 1989.

Keith Hernandez should be in then.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Let's just let everyone in.

LOL SOCIALISM

 

[eznark]

Let's just let everyone in.

LOL SOCIALISM

This is truly Obama's Hall of Fame.

 

[captmcblack]

I nominate GAF for best collection of amateur sports analysts in a non-sports forum.

Using the fame from this nomination, I will open a steakhouse. We will call it "Believe".

 

[Gruco]

My first player would be Joe Morgan, both because he deserves it and because he would hate it so much.

This is awesome.

Seriously, someone should start a letter writing campaign to THT, BP, FJM, Tango, and all of the other nerds out there to sponsor this effort.

the eHall of Fame or some crap.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Keith Hernandez should be in then.

Yeaaah, but Keith's offensive output wasn't nearly as good as Mattingly's. Mattingly put up much better numbers, and had 3 more seasons to do it.

Mattingly coulda been in, if only he had been able to play for 3, maybe 2 more years. People point to Puckett as a similar case, but really, people just liked Kirby. And he was a post-season hero.

 

[Karakand]

Let's just let everyone in.

LOL SOCIALISM

Woah woah woah it's bad enough we have eznark's petty vendettas soiling the veracity of our hall we don't need that AYSO bullshit in here too.

 

[GitarooMan]

I'm not going to get into this Rice debate, but he is having a hillarious press conference right now. Whoever thought it was a good idea for him to get grilled on his stats and his thoughts on the writers is a moron.

 

[CajoleJuice]

Yeaaah, but Keith's offensive output wasn't nearly as good as Mattingly's. Mattingly put up much better numbers, and had 3 more seasons to do it.

Mattingly coulda been in, if only he had been able to play for 3, maybe 2 more years. People point to Puckett as a similar case, but really, people just liked Kirby. And he was a post-season hero.

Keith Hernandez had a higher career OPS+, which means, basically, he was a better hitter over the course of his career. Mattingly in his prime was better, yeah. Hernandez was a great player for about twice the amount of years as Mattingly.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Keith Hernandez had a higher career OPS+, which means, basically, he was a better hitter over the course of his career. Mattingly in his prime was better, yeah. Hernandez was a great player for about twice the amount of years as Mattingly.

Actually, Mattingly had the higher OPS - .859. While, Hernandez's was .820.

But I understand what you mean. That Hernandez got on base more than Mattingly did, which is true. (For you stat-heads, OPS doesn't give fair weight to on-base percentage)

But I think where people usually like to compare the two is that Hernandez was thought of as a defensive wiz at the 1st base position. Some think his defensive states alone should be enough to get him in(like it did Ozzie Smith).

But then there are other people that talk about how disliked Hernandez was, and how he had drug problems, bla bla bla.

But that kind of thing should have no bearing on the HOF. But it does, sadly.

 

[CajoleJuice]

Actually, Mattingly had the higher OPS - .859. While, Hernandez's was .820.

OPS+ =/= OPS

If we want to talk intangibles, one guy won 2 World Series, while the other won zero!

 

[Y2Kev]

Old Ricky suffers from advanced aging

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

OPS+ =/= OPS

If we want to talk intangibles, one guy won 2 World Series, while the other won zero!

Ah, I missed the +. My bad then.

Well, my friend. I think you and I both know the real reason why Donnie Baseball gets more HOF support than Hernandez.

Hint: It's because he played in the same city as the Mets. And he wasn't a Met.

 

[CajoleJuice]

Ah, I missed the +. My bad then.

Well, my friend. I think you and I both know the real reason why Donnie Baseball gets more HOF support than Hernandez.

Hint: It's because he played in the same city as the Mets. And he wasn't a Met.

I just always feel compelled to argue for Hernandez. My dad has drilled into my head since I was a little kid that he was awesome (and better than Mattingly).

 

[Sanjuro]

I just always feel compelled to argue for Hernandez. My dad has drilled into my head since I was a little kid that he was awesome (and better than Mattingly).

Was your dad Jerry Seinfeld?