entremet
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I'm talking about false positives. Outing those who indeed are not KKK members.
Stuff like this has happened before with internet witch hunts, sometimes to disastrous results like suicide.
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Operation KKK Is Beginning To Unmask Hate Group Members
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I'm talking about false positives. Outing those who indeed are not KKK members.
Stuff like this has happened before with internet witch hunts, sometimes to disastrous results like suicide.
Ziltoidia 9
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Did this happen yesterday or something? Wow. Cornyn is one of my senators.
This is utter nonsense.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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They're bound to get innocent people in danger. I hope they know what they're doing.
Not only could this affect innocent family members directly in the same household, it also can indirectly cause trouble with other family members who no longer associate with them, whether it be by sharing the same name or even just being a close family member on Facebook.
Additionally the collateral damage doesn't even necessarily have to be a part of the family. LOTS of times in doxxing there is misinformation or misattribution of info. This can cause totally unrelated people to be targeted by some basement dweller with a pagebin tab open.
When you magnify this into a 1000 target project, things like this are bound to happen.
BronsonLee
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Considering there was a story on the news yesterday of a KKK chapter (alive and kicking) in upstate NY putting a threatening flier on a BLM activist's door, the notion that the KKK is "spent" in America is laughable. They're just more discrete. This is an organization that hides their identities with hoods with eye holes, just because you don't see them riding up and down the streets on horses doesn't mean they're not there.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Damn that's hot!
AyaisMUsikWhore
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This is great in a way. Hopefully this will uncover those cops who are racist and attend these rallies after work.
Ziltoidia 9
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Also, I really doubt any news covers this unless there is proof for the public figures.
stump sock
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you're giving the news too much credit.
Ravensmash
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This doesn't sound like a good idea.
Even if innocent people aren't caught up (they will be), releasing private information of shitty people is still shitty.
Even if innocent people aren't caught up (they will be), releasing private information of shitty people is still shitty.
Woodward and Bernstein would probably want to have a word with you...
Ziltoidia 9
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Your right, here are the headlines.
MSNBC: Cornyn named member of KKK?
FOX: Left wing liberal hacking group post baseless accusations about conservative senator.
CNN: Anonymous knows where missing Malaysian plane is?
MSNBC: Cornyn named member of KKK?
FOX: Left wing liberal hacking group post baseless accusations about conservative senator.
CNN: Anonymous knows where missing Malaysian plane is?
Gordon Shumway
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Heh..this is pretty good! CNN one was perfect..
Palette Swap
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I think public figures like elected officials are fair game in the sense that they would present a public interest, but dumping tons of names like that is pretty dumb and damaging.
When the KKK cease to exist then they'll be a spent force or irrelevant. As long as they exist in some fashion I support completely stamping it out. Especially if causes other hate groups to take notice and realize they'll be next.
I do have concerns that innocent people will be caught in this. Especially those that might be truly undercover and get burnt. However I fully support outing the racist cops you know are apart of this or feeling sympathetic toward them and other racist groups. Here's hoping some in Anno are aware of this in their search and won't put those they shouldn't on the line. Do more then a surface search and one pass on people.
I do have concerns that innocent people will be caught in this. Especially those that might be truly undercover and get burnt. However I fully support outing the racist cops you know are apart of this or feeling sympathetic toward them and other racist groups. Here's hoping some in Anno are aware of this in their search and won't put those they shouldn't on the line. Do more then a surface search and one pass on people.
Angelus Errare
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I want to be okay with this but I can't. *Sighs* the only time in my life I'll ever side with the racists fucks stains of society.
metalslimer
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If they know politicians involved they need to give the info to journalist to investigate. I'm not ok with just putting names out there even for people I dislike
Oh so I'm not the only over who is uncomfortable with this.
If you want to be prejudiced in your own ho.e good luck to you, I just think you're a douche. But I don't think your right to privacy should be violated.
Vicetrailia
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I'd love to be okay with this but there must be another way. There are risks associated with this like making bad connections (not really concerned though with a detailed paper trail), or there being unintended consequences (very concerned).
But honestly I would like to know if my state politicians are members.
But honestly I would like to know if my state politicians are members.
Hot Coldman
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not sure what the end goal is here
chances are, these people are part of communities that have no fucking problem with their attitudes and beliefs, which are probably incredibly evident anyway if they feel so strongly about them to join the fecking KKK, so broadcasting that fact probably isn't going to be the life-ender Anon thinks it will be for most of these fuckers
so... might as well just dig around for famous names and send them to the Guardian or WaPo or whoever
chances are, these people are part of communities that have no fucking problem with their attitudes and beliefs, which are probably incredibly evident anyway if they feel so strongly about them to join the fecking KKK, so broadcasting that fact probably isn't going to be the life-ender Anon thinks it will be for most of these fuckers
so... might as well just dig around for famous names and send them to the Guardian or WaPo or whoever
RumblingRosco
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Yup. Fuck the KKK but I'm sure someone innocent will be wrongfully accused.
Violence Jack
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Yep. This.
Like others have said, the only concern is "innocent" people possibly getting hurt through internet justice (false KKK accusations, similar names, etc...) which usually happens with these hacking attempts. Otherwise I can't feel much sympathy for an terror group that killed thousands of black people and white people who supported freeing slaves, even if their current members don't do that anymore.
Same.
That's the start of a very serious slippery slope there. Invasion of privacy should only go out the window if you're doing something illegal under the rule of law.
30yearsofhurt
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Yeah the AM was the sort of thing that only a 12 year old could justify.
Unless you have proof that someone on your KKK list has acted in a racist way whether legally or illegally, this is just a dumb idea.
Steve Scalise. Who else?
I think their means are more based on political power and systemi/instutionalized ways, its much easier to throw rocks and hide your hands and call people crazy that way vs directly killing people.
John Kowalski
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welp
this isn't good
this isn't good
people love arguing a slippery slope but this is such a cop out. every single time its based on things that are inherently shitty about society and people. Its like people arguing that if you invade the privacy of people who commit horrible acts against children etc. they should be protected. its stupid imo.
When was it exposed John Cornyn was KKK? Link please
the kkk member pastebin is on the google.
apparently the mayor of knoxville was kluxed up too.
Not what I said at all there m8. You're doing something illegal and there's some form of proof? By golly you're right to privacy is thrown out the window. If any of these KKK members are committing hate crimes, then they should be brought to trial, and not by some 12 y/o vigilantes on the net.
But invading the privacy of those who haven't committed any crimes? Nah, we should be happy that the government is spying on us. It's for our protection. We should all just doxx ourselves because of course we don't have anything to hide right?
As much as racist thoughts and speech are horrible, it is still protected speech in the eyes of the law through the first amendment. We can hate and remove it through the arena of public opinion, but you can't prosecute based on racist speech unless it is to incite violence.
brotherbean
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I'm ok with transparency (forced or otherwise) when it comes to membership/involvement in hate groups such as the KKK, but I'd also like to see total transparency on behalf of Anonymous as well. How'd they get the information? What process are they using to vet out false positives? Are they working with any professional organization to officiate this process?
Lots of unknowns here, and as much as I hate to say it I really can't condone the release of the identities without total transparency from Anon. The possibility of innocents being falsely accused is too great a cost in my opinion.
Lots of unknowns here, and as much as I hate to say it I really can't condone the release of the identities without total transparency from Anon. The possibility of innocents being falsely accused is too great a cost in my opinion.
how do you know how they arent committing crimes? Maybe now their integrity will need to be scrutinized especially people in positions of power since now their biases are exposed. These people may not hire people based on their color or ethinic background based on these terrible biases, or maybe voting against and/or pushing legislation that is based on that same hatred and maybe there are people who voted these people in who dont have those same views they do have a right to know who they are. I would be HIGHLY upset if i knew someone in my companies upper management was someone like that. there is difference to having the privacy to your own thoughts and hatred etc, but when you are using that to ruin other peoples right to live I strongly believe their right to privacy stops as soon as it has an impact on someone else.
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