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[Lightning]

Yes, but it's always hard to find for some reason. I really should keep a bookmark.

Edit... apparently it's hard to find because it's "Whispers on the wind": http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=215534

Cool, thanks, I will use that thread from now on.

 

[Raist]

Weighted Charts (in percentages), Week 12 2008

 

[Psychotext]

Needs a title. I assume that's the weighted charts from each country?

 

[Raist]

Needs a title. I assume that's the weighted charts from each country?

yup

 

[felipeko]

yup

Well done!

Would be good if we had an estimation for the "weight" of every country.. than you could do a total...

 

[Psychotext]

That would be interesting... but I've seen the arguments about market size in Europe before. They aren't pretty.

 

[Zzoram]

Weighted Charts (in percentages), Week 12 2008

The black piece of the German pie should be enormous, not invisible.

 

[Raist]

The black piece of the German pie should be enormous, not invisible.

PC charts are seperated from console charts, so that wouldn't work infortunately.
The only other source for german charts that I have and that mixes consoles and PC titles is supposedly not really reliable.
For some other countries I also doubt they're charting handheld games. Like sweden, for instance.

 

[Raist]

Well done!

Would be good if we had an estimation for the "weight" of every country.. than you could do a total...

Been looking for this for a while. The only thing that I could find is this

That's quite old and not very informative :/

 

[iceatcs]

MCVUK have some info about hardware sales in UK last week, but no numbers.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/30024/360-and-PS3-rocket-during-bumper-Easter

 

[picsou]

omg ps3 > 360 despite price cut :lol

 

[Raist]

uh oh

 

[iceatcs]

omg ps3 > 360 despite price cut :lol

We know that. Before the price cut, the 360 was sold quite badly.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

We know that, before the price cut, the 360 was sold quite badly.

Still an uh oh moment.

I'm saying uh oh.

 

[iceatcs]

fair enough

Difference prices tell more.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

Oh well, it probably galloped away in other nations. If the public is aware of the price drop, because I read on GAF that the public's lack of awareness might be at the root of the problem.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

What games are these new PS3 owners buying?

 

[RBH]

MCVUK have some info about hardware sales in UK last week, but no numbers.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/30024/360-and-PS3-rocket-during-bumper-Easter

Nice find.

It does appear that the PS3 will edge out the 360 in terms of hardware sales in the UK this year unless MS makes another significant move before the year is over.

 

[Psychotext]

Should come as no surprise with the release of GT5.

 

[picsou]

What blu-ray/games are these new PS3 owners buying?

fixed

 

[Rolf NB]

Wii to date is the only PAL console without Pro Evo, I'm not surprised the Wii is struggling without it.

No longer. Came out on Wednesday, and the TV ads are a'rollin'.
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/b0013azd2g/

 

[f@luS]

What games are these new PS3 owners buying?

all the new 360 games (since all games are multiplat these months) + few exclus?

 

[iceatcs]

What games are these new PS3 owners buying?

According to this thread's chart.
Look like many new owners bought Vegas 2, Resistance (bundle pack?), Call Of Duty 4 or/and Assassin's Creed.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

all the new 360 games (since all games are multiplat these months) + few exclus?

That was my point. 360 + PS3 owners are exactly the same, as these PAL charts tell us every week.

 

[f@luS]

so where is the difference? few exclu, and the system itself. Durability, silence, free online, may pay in the end. (oh yeah , BR too )

 

[Raist]

What games are these new PS3 owners buying?

Games ? What the fuck are you talking about.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

so where is the difference? few exclu, and the system itself. Durability, silence, free online, may pay in the end. (oh yeah , BR too )

I am not talking about the systems themselves.

If it were not for the Wii, this generation would be completely stale, as instead of 2 consoles after the same target market, we'd have 3 consoles after the same target market, all selling the exact same games.

 

[Elios83]

Umm I overstimated the response to the 360 price cut.
With the 360 at 199€ as the lowest price I would have never expected it to continue to lag behind PS3 in UK sales and that's even before the GT5 Prologue bundle. When MS announced the price cut I said SCEE was overconfindent if they didn't react to such a price cut....well... it seems they were right.

 

[beerbelly]

You guys care too much about console politics. If we're having fun, what else matters?

 

[mabuza]

cjelly, step your troll game up. the no games troll is soo last year.

 

[_Alkaline_]

nm, wrong thread.

 

[Luckyman]

If PS3 drops to 299€ sometime this year.. it´s over.

 

[Sandman7]

Oh well, it probably galloped away in other nations. If the public is aware of the price drop, because I read on GAF that the public's lack of awareness might be at the root of the problem.

:lol

You really are going to rub it in aren't you?

 

[Rolf NB]

If PS3 drops to 299€ sometime this year.. it´s over.

I actuallly expect the next steps to be smaller. 50€ish. Teaching the unwashed masses that the next pricedrop, whenever it comes, is going to mean hugulous savings isn't good business practice. People need to have the feeling that the money they spend extra by not waiting is worth spending (because they've spent more quality time with the console in the end). 100€ steps are shit if you want that mentality to settle in.

 

[Phife Dawg]

If PS3 drops to 299€ sometime this year.. it´s over.

What is over? The battle for second place? Speaking on a european level that is already over and was over before (simply because 360 failed to sell significant amounts even before PS3 launched). Just focusing on UK it'll eventually happen, new price drop this year or not.

Personally I'd rather see the re-introduction of BC at the current price point, but I don't have high hopes for that.

 

[kurosawa]

in Portugal there's a promotion in GAME's stores:

Give them a PS2 + 5 ps2 games - get a PS3 for 299€

 

[Raist]

France :
Week 10, 2008http://www.gamekult.com/blog/marchi...u+9+mars+2008+Le+bonnet+d+ane+pour+Bully.html

01 (01) [NDS] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Sega)
02 (12) [WII] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Sega)
03 (04) [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
04 (__) [360] Army of Two (Electronic Arts)
05 (02) [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)
06 (__) [PS3] Army of Two (Electronic Arts)
07 (05) [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo)
08 (03) [PSP] PES 2008 (Konami)
09 (06) [NDS] Mario Party DS (Nintendo)
10 (10) [NDS] Dr. Kawashima's Brain Training (Nintendo)
11 (09) [NDS] Imagine Babies (Ubisoft)
12 (13) [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
13 (14) [NDS] More Brain Training from Dr. Kawashima (Nintendo)
14 (08) [WII] DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 3 (Namco Bandai)
15 (15) [PS3] Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Activision)
16 (11) [WII] Mario Party 8 (Nintendo)
17 (17) [WII] Big Brain Academy : Wii Degree (Nintendo)
18 (18) [NDS] Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo)
19 (07) [360] Lost Odyssey (Microsoft)
20 (19) [WII] Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 (Ubisoft)

NDS=8
WII=7
PS3=2
360=2
PSP=1

Things of note :
- Bully (WII/360) bomba total
- After 16 weeks, SMG finally drops from the Top 5.
- Big drop for LO. Expected.
- Army of Two 360 > PS3. Surprising.

Out of the top this week :
- Bleach: Shattered Balde (WII, was #16)
- Devil May Cry 4 (PS3, was #20)

Aaaand done. See you next week

 

[Kenka]

France :
Week 10, 2008http://www.gamekult.com/blog/marchi...u+9+mars+2008+Le+bonnet+d+ane+pour+Bully.html

01 (01) [NDS] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Sega)
02 (12) [WII] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Sega)
03 (04) [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
04 (__) [360] Army of Two (Electronic Arts)
05 (02) [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)
06 (__) [PS3] Army of Two (Electronic Arts)
07 (05) [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo)
08 (03) [PSP] PES 2008 (Konami)
09 (06) [NDS] Mario Party DS (Nintendo)
10 (10) [NDS] Dr. Kawashima's Brain Training (Nintendo)
11 (09) [NDS] Imagine Babies (Ubisoft)
12 (13) [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
13 (14) [NDS] More Brain Training from Dr. Kawashima (Nintendo)
14 (08) [WII] DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 3 (Namco Bandai)
15 (15) [PS3] Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Activision)
16 (11) [WII] Mario Party 8 (Nintendo)
17 (17) [WII] Big Brain Academy : Wii Degree (Nintendo)
18 (18) [NDS] Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo)
19 (07) [360] Lost Odyssey (Microsoft)
20 (19) [WII] Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 (Ubisoft)


Aaaand done. See you next week

This is quite a big recovery for M&S Wii. France was affected by short supply as well ?

 

[Raist]

This is quite a big recovery for M&S Wii. France was affected by short supply as well ?

No idea. It's been a while since I went to a VG store.

 

[Yoboman]

The Olympics are soon too, Mario & Sonic is going to be the best selling game this year

 

[Opiate]

I have a question: would anyone here be willing to put together a weighted total for the EU across all regions? This would be an imperfect calculation without question, but as a general indicator, it could be useful.

We'd have to decide on values for every country, but the general idea would be UK + Germany (=1/2 UK) + France (=1/3 UK) + Spain (=1/3 UK) with perhaps a few smaller countries put in there. This could give us a general idea how the market looks across Europe in total.

Is that too nebulous a calculation to be worth GAF's time? Because obviously it wouldn't be an exact science. Personally, I'd very much appreciate it as a general indicator of Europe overall, although I understand the aversion to any math that isn't precise.

 

[Raist]

I have a question: would anyone here be willing to put together a weighted total for the EU across all regions? This would be an imperfect calculation without question, but as a general indicator, it could be useful.

We'd have to decide on values for every country, but the general idea would be UK + Germany (=1/2 UK) + France (=1/3 UK) + Spain (=1/3 UK) with perhaps a few smaller countries put in there. This could give us a general idea how the market looks across Europe in total.

Is that too nebulous a calculation to be worth GAF's time? Because obviously it wouldn't be an exact science. Personally, I'd very much appreciate it as a general indicator of Europe overall, although I understand the aversion to any math that isn't precise.

Well, there are a few problems.

First, for some countries we have only access to All Formats charts (Ireland, Denmark, Norway and Finland).
And second, it's quite hard to figure out the real weights of each countries across PAL land (europe + oceania).
I have recent data indicating that france is twice bigger than spain for instance, but I have yet to find recent data on the other european countries markets. It's quite puzzling how hard it is to find such simple information : just the global revenues generated by hardware+software.
If anyone wishes to help, he's welcome. I'd like to get 2007 data, or at least, 2006.

 

[Opiate]

Thanks Raist. I've been hunting around too, and one of the reasons I asked for help was because I was running into the same roadblocks finding data that you apparently are. I assumed this was my naivete (I've only been interested in gathering this data for a few weeks now), but it sounds like it's a more general problem.

If I find anything, I'll let you know -- but now that you mention it, it sounds like any statistical model we put up would be obsolete by the time we finished it, as fluctuations of one country's economy up and another country's down could immediately and significantly affect their overall-European-consumer market share.

 

[Raist]

Thanks Raist. I've been hunting around too, and one of the reasons I asked for help was because I was running into the same roadblocks finding data that you apparently are. I assumed this was my naivete (I've only been interested in gathering this data for a few weeks now), but it sounds like it's a more general problem.

If I find anything, I'll let you know -- but now that you mention it, it sounds like any statistical model we put up would be obsolete by the time we finished it, as fluctuations of one country's economy up and another country's down could immediately and significantly affect their overall-European-consumer market share.

Yeah, it's quite impossible to find this stuff :/


On another note, went to my favorite stores today, GT5P is absolutely sold out everywhere, Condemned 2 is already out (thought it would be released next week) and it looks like it doesn't really sell well, and some PS3 games have seen their price drop. Motorstorm, HS, RFoM etc. 40€

 

[Lobster]

The Olympics are soon too, Mario & Sonic is going to be the best selling game this year

It will probably compete for best selling game this gen aswell :lol

 

[_Alkaline_]

How much longer till the next charts come out?

I'm getting anxious!

 

[kottila]

How much longer till the next charts come out?

I'm getting anxious!

5 or 6 hours, I'll spare you the angst:

GT5P>>>>>>>>>>>the rest.

 

[Psychotext]

5 or 6 ours, I'll spare you the angst:

GT5P>>>>>>>>>>>the rest.

Pretty much... though I wonder if you'll see it appear in Germany.

 

[Rolf NB]

Pretty much... though I wonder if you'll see it appear in Germany.

Amazon.de seems to believe so. Of course their validity as a predictor for the whole market is limited, but it's something.

 

[f@luS]

i dont know, the game has been available for only 2 days...its short