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"PC piracy, one day stats, nay-sayers pwned"
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SteveMeister
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Zombie James
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squatingyeti said:
I don't think there's any way to play backed up BDs yet anyways.
dr3upmushroom
Banned
:lol :lol How retarded are you?{Mike} said:
Ashhong said:
You know how long the Gamecube took to break, right ? Even so, there have been small advancements in breaking through the PS3. And of course most guys tend to keep whatever they are working on in a small group, its very rarely public untill its doing -something- interesting.
And since you can replace the HDD in the PS3 with any size, the price of BR discs wouldnt bother people, since they will just use a HDloader equiv for PS3.
MickeyKnox
Member
The problem with simply pulling torrent numbers, plugging your ears and shouting LALALALAONEMILLIONDOWNLOADSLALALALALA is that it doesn't take into account what percentage of those downloads are actually lost sales and there's no way even half of those numbers are people who would have purchased the game if we lived in a world where there was no way for them to obtain it illegally.
People like free shit and they hate spending money. Hoarding of the former is most often times a reactionary result of the latter.
People like free shit and they hate spending money. Hoarding of the former is most often times a reactionary result of the latter.
Kill Your Masters
Member
How about some stats for current console/handheld games, so we can compare.
I doubt however, that the console/handheld numbers are near the ones from the PC.
I doubt however, that the console/handheld numbers are near the ones from the PC.
Actually, while being nowhere close, the number of R4/Flashcards sold for the DS would be interesting to see. Add in the fact they're nearly all used for pirating, and they can pirate just about any and all DS game, that amounts to a lot of lost revenue for Nintendo/Devs. Well, if you think that piracy equals lost sales for every game anyways.Hellraizer said:
Minsc
Gold Member
For fun, I searched Assassin's Creed, reverse sorted by leechers, and the highest torrent only had 4500 (you can't add them all up, because they may be the same people downloading via multiple torrents).
These numbers from the OP are pretty wrong I think. For comparison sake, the highest leeched episode of LOST had a total of 8000.
It's just as illegal to download a torrent of LOST as Assassin's Creed, so I don't really know what to make of it. I'm not arguing PC piracy isn't downright ridiculous and awful, because it is, but just trying to put some other numbers next to it, and seeing that LOST outnumbers Assassin's Creed, well, that lessens the point of this source to me.
++ on the point about pirated copies not translating to sales though. The pirates would just not have the game, I doubt the vast majority would purchase if they couldn't pirate.
These numbers from the OP are pretty wrong I think. For comparison sake, the highest leeched episode of LOST had a total of 8000.
It's just as illegal to download a torrent of LOST as Assassin's Creed, so I don't really know what to make of it. I'm not arguing PC piracy isn't downright ridiculous and awful, because it is, but just trying to put some other numbers next to it, and seeing that LOST outnumbers Assassin's Creed, well, that lessens the point of this source to me.
++ on the point about pirated copies not translating to sales though. The pirates would just not have the game, I doubt the vast majority would purchase if they couldn't pirate.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Does this count full downloads or does it include those who download the trackers but get fed up waiting for all 6 or so gigs to download too?
I_D
Member
The stats prove both points, from the looks of it....
Look at the day-one piracy of Crysis.
Then look at the day-one sales.
The sales were significantly higher, and it was supposed to be a godsend of a game.
As for assuming the downloading remains constant over 3 months (in reference to CoD4) that's absolutely laughable; regardless of whether they say it's logical or not.
No game retains day-one downloads for a span of multiple months.
Look at the day-one piracy of Crysis.
Then look at the day-one sales.
The sales were significantly higher, and it was supposed to be a godsend of a game.
As for assuming the downloading remains constant over 3 months (in reference to CoD4) that's absolutely laughable; regardless of whether they say it's logical or not.
No game retains day-one downloads for a span of multiple months.
Truespeed said:
How many actually played it past the first level ? How many got it to see if it would run on their systems ? How many got it just for the sake of having it, burnt it to a disc and threw it in a folder with the rest of their collection (yes people do that) ?
The problem with piracy is that its all just questions and no answers.
Uh, it's a legit explanation. Unless we have some hard evidence that piracy = lost sales, we can't say that piracy alone is killing PC gaming. Slowing it down? Causing trouble for devs? Sure.Woo-Fu said:
EDIT: Also, I love how you imply anyone that offers that explanation is a pirate
Dr. Zoidberg
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The thing is that whether the perp would have paid for the game or not means JACK SHIT. Yes, it leads to bogus figures from the industry but the real fact for a developer is this:
If you don't obtain the game through legal means, then you shouldn't have the pleasure of playing it, REGARDLESS of whether you would have bought it in the first place. It's about principal more than money, IMO. You're still stealing.
If you don't obtain the game through legal means, then you shouldn't have the pleasure of playing it, REGARDLESS of whether you would have bought it in the first place. It's about principal more than money, IMO. You're still stealing.
No Means Nomad
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Pirates have no standards.
It's certainly important if the question is "Exactly how much does piracy hurt game sales?" which is what this thread seems to be about. The numbers in the OP only show that many people are pirating (which as someone said earlier is a "Duh" point to make); how much piracy contributes to the "death" of PC gaming is a much harder question to answer for the very reason you stated above.Dr. Zoidberg said:
It would, but I've never seen such a statistical analysis.Truespeed said:
There was a thread a couple months ago, though. It suggested that for every 1000 pirates that were deterred by increased copy-protection, sales increased by 1.
Of course, that was a very small game and a single study case. You'd need a much more comprehensive study to make a good conclusion and I don't know if one exists.
TrueReligion
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You are an ignorant fuck.{Mike} said:
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Jenga said:Uh, it's a legit explanation. Unless we have some hard evidence that piracy = lost sales, we can't say that piracy alone is killing PC gaming. Slowing it down? Causing trouble for devs? Sure.
EDIT: Also, I love how you imply anyone that offers that explanation is a pirate
Sounds like pirate talk to me.
sigh .... was this ever any different ? Anybody remember actually buying C64 games, Amiga Games, Atari ST Games ?
Truth of the matter is PC gaming will need to evolve......
In my shops PC gaming takes up a BUNCH of resources and yet doesn't do anything to warrant the use of space and money. Well, at least the regular sales of Wow prepaid cards pay for the PC stock as is :lol
Truth of the matter is PC gaming will need to evolve......
In my shops PC gaming takes up a BUNCH of resources and yet doesn't do anything to warrant the use of space and money. Well, at least the regular sales of Wow prepaid cards pay for the PC stock as is :lol
Joseph Merrick
Member
turning point hasn't even been released in europe yet though.
jakershaker
Member
Don't want to spoil the party but those stats don't mean shit.
Only stats that would give any kind of reliable numbers are something like # of finished downloads from the 10 biggest trackers(mininova isn't even a tracker, more like google but for torrents). And the REAL numbers are impossible to get(cross tracker posting, private trackers etc etc). One of the points of torrents is thats it's impossible to get any kind of solid info from them except which file, size and so on.
Until the stats are reliable is there even any point in debating about them?
Something tells me most of these discussions is just an excuse for people to say that PC gaming is dead, which is kind of absurd really.
Only stats that would give any kind of reliable numbers are something like # of finished downloads from the 10 biggest trackers(mininova isn't even a tracker, more like google but for torrents). And the REAL numbers are impossible to get(cross tracker posting, private trackers etc etc). One of the points of torrents is thats it's impossible to get any kind of solid info from them except which file, size and so on.
Until the stats are reliable is there even any point in debating about them?
Something tells me most of these discussions is just an excuse for people to say that PC gaming is dead, which is kind of absurd really.
Why the denial?
Piracy is a huge detriment to the PC gaming industry.
Piracy != lost sales?
Bullshit.
The majority of piracy is done in the first month as internet slobs froth at the mouth F5ing and wait for "the scene" to give them the goods. There is both demand and anticipation. To say that none of these people would go out and BUY these games if they couldn't pirate is naive.
The main reason people pirate things is because they want them.
People don't sit there and say "This game is shit, but I'll help seed it.".
People don't go around downloading shitty games they don't want and don't plan to play.
Top 6 Reasons People Pirate Games:
6. Backup Copy / Lost Old Copy
5. Old / Hard To Find Game
4. No DRM
3. Want A "Demo" / Test If PC Can Handle It
2. Can Get It Before Release
1. Free
That's all there is to it folks.
Pirates have no one but themselves to blame for numbers 6, 1, and 4.
A small bit of effort will solve 5.
A small bit of patience will solve 2.
Most major titles have demos, clearly defined specs, and performance reviews for number 3.
Piracy is a huge detriment to the PC gaming industry.
Piracy != lost sales?
Bullshit.
The majority of piracy is done in the first month as internet slobs froth at the mouth F5ing and wait for "the scene" to give them the goods. There is both demand and anticipation. To say that none of these people would go out and BUY these games if they couldn't pirate is naive.
The main reason people pirate things is because they want them.
People don't sit there and say "This game is shit, but I'll help seed it.".
People don't go around downloading shitty games they don't want and don't plan to play.
Top 6 Reasons People Pirate Games:
6. Backup Copy / Lost Old Copy
5. Old / Hard To Find Game
4. No DRM
3. Want A "Demo" / Test If PC Can Handle It
2. Can Get It Before Release
1. Free
That's all there is to it folks.
Pirates have no one but themselves to blame for numbers 6, 1, and 4.
A small bit of effort will solve 5.
A small bit of patience will solve 2.
Most major titles have demos, clearly defined specs, and performance reviews for number 3.
Only an imbecile would deny this, but that's not the question. The question is, "How much does piracy impact sales?"SexConker said:
To your other point: of course people pirate games they want to play, but did they want to play them enough/do they have the means to have bought them had piracy not existed? That's not easy to answer.