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Player's that don't use mics in MP centric games ruin them
- Thread starter jviggy43
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What no. That's not irony.
I normally try not to get too carried away when I post here, but this post really, really bugs me.
There is a vast, vast difference between being on the receiving end of racial slurs and having your mic turned off Jesus Christ. This isn't something you "both sides." Like real talk - I don't play multiplayer games online anymore, but back when I did I could barely go without being on the receiving end of racist shit based on my accent.
So for a while when I was playing those games I elected to not have voice on because I figured that I should have the right not to fucking subject myself to racist shitheads. That doesn't make me as toxic as them like, what the fuck.
I'm not going to put myself through a bunch of annoying, racist abuse to increase the number of nonshitty players. I'm just going to either not play the fucking game or play it on mute.
In the end I chose to stay away from online games because it's honestly more stress than fun for me. But if I had chosen to keep playing, I'd have kept my mic off because...well, I have the right not to subject myself to racial slurs.
babyghost853
Member
Fixed for accuracy. Now to the main point,1) People generally don't want to talk to strangers, and not only because of rudeness. But because most of the time the conversation had nothing to do with the game. People don't what to hear about the bar/club/party you went to last night, or your political views, or the warts on your ass that make you uncomfortable when you sit down to game. 2) There are very few games where communication is required to succeed, and if the game requires communication you can be sure most will only play with friends. 3) Mute is not always the best way to deal with the problem, lets take The Division for example. You start up last stand, and every match you have to mute a bunch of people individually, it gets tiring very quickly. And finally 4) the most important thing of all, fuck 8 yr old kids playing T/M rated games, and trying to tell everyone what the fuck to do, I generally don't even want to hear them speak, there are cases where a friend might let their little brother or sister play, and I'll be like fine.
You could make the same argument for how chat channels are toxic and everything thats wrong with multiplayer gaming, so I dont think theres one correct take on the issue.
In an ideal world everyone has a 100 dollar professional headest, is giving the game their full attention, and communicating both clearly and politely.
Realistically, people will gripe on eachother over their broken headset with horrible static, shout profanity at you, blast rap music, have a screaming baby in the other room, a barking dog, and get yelled at by their mom. Possibly at the same time.
Somewhere on the scale is an elegant solution like "players can match themselves together if they care that much" but even that isnt flawless.
In an ideal world everyone has a 100 dollar professional headest, is giving the game their full attention, and communicating both clearly and politely.
Realistically, people will gripe on eachother over their broken headset with horrible static, shout profanity at you, blast rap music, have a screaming baby in the other room, a barking dog, and get yelled at by their mom. Possibly at the same time.
Somewhere on the scale is an elegant solution like "players can match themselves together if they care that much" but even that isnt flawless.
And yet, right now, you're antagonizing the people in this topic into joining open chat, by telling them that they're ruining team games. You understand that, right?
Also, nice avatar.
Steeped in a Sea of Games
Member
So this same thread is going to start popping up every 2 weeks now?
This thread is not a MP match, though. A forum thread is just that, intended for discussion. It has no impact on how any game goes.
Show me the receipts.
CamHostage
Member
Quality audiences create quality communication experiences. I'm not sure what Battlegrounds has done so well to draw a sophisticated and engaged crowd, but learn from what they're doing well please.
Who in here is trying to govern how other's play the game?
smoothj
Member
It's awesome when you play MP with randos and most people talk and work together. Mostly that happened in R6S. Just play a few rounds of CoD and that's enough for me to not play with headphones.
Also, some games have shittier chat sound quality compared to party chat. The division had this issue.
Also, some games have shittier chat sound quality compared to party chat. The division had this issue.
GreenMonkey
Member
If it's just me, I'll have my mic available if folks are talking. I can always just pop off my headset if I don't want to hear them.
If there's 2 of us in our party, I'll generally poke my head out briefly so to speak, to see if anyone is in the voice chat. If my buddy and I aren't chatting about something non-game related. If a few people are out there, we'll try it.
3 is borderline, once we hit 4 or 5 of us in the party, I don't generally bother. One or two people can wing it while the rest of us communicate. Overwatch has the voice prompts "My ultimate is ready" "group up" etc which covers the basics.
I get tired of people being dumb. Sorry.
I hear people, especially kids, that are dictating team comp to the point of "hey dude with Torb can you go Lucio" or "hey guy playing Pharah can you go Reinhardt". Well, what if the Torb guy isn't any good at Lucio? Or the Pharah isn't good at Reinhardt?
I can play anyone but a sniper, but not everyone has played like a thousand hours of this.
I mean, we want a good team comp, but "Hey we need a tank and a healer, any volunteers" would be ok. But no, the dude playing McCree is dictating who plays what character.
Or people ordering people when to attack or what to do or whatever like he's the fucking General of the team.
And that's not even covering all the racist / homophobic / sexist people. I don't want anyone giving the girl that we play with on our team shit either, especially since she plays a lot of Hanzo and Genji (she's pretty good).
If there's 2 of us in our party, I'll generally poke my head out briefly so to speak, to see if anyone is in the voice chat. If my buddy and I aren't chatting about something non-game related. If a few people are out there, we'll try it.
3 is borderline, once we hit 4 or 5 of us in the party, I don't generally bother. One or two people can wing it while the rest of us communicate. Overwatch has the voice prompts "My ultimate is ready" "group up" etc which covers the basics.
I get tired of people being dumb. Sorry.
I hear people, especially kids, that are dictating team comp to the point of "hey dude with Torb can you go Lucio" or "hey guy playing Pharah can you go Reinhardt". Well, what if the Torb guy isn't any good at Lucio? Or the Pharah isn't good at Reinhardt?
I can play anyone but a sniper, but not everyone has played like a thousand hours of this.
I mean, we want a good team comp, but "Hey we need a tank and a healer, any volunteers" would be ok. But no, the dude playing McCree is dictating who plays what character.
Or people ordering people when to attack or what to do or whatever like he's the fucking General of the team.
And that's not even covering all the racist / homophobic / sexist people. I don't want anyone giving the girl that we play with on our team shit either, especially since she plays a lot of Hanzo and Genji (she's pretty good).
justsomeguy
Member
I wouldn't want to talk to someone with such a flagrant disrespect for apostrophes tbh.
Edit: On topic, some of my very best and my very worst gaming experiences have involved voice chat.
Edit: On topic, some of my very best and my very worst gaming experiences have involved voice chat.
mikezilla2
Member
if you are playing on PS4 you are in for an up hill battle - Party Chat kinda Changed things alot ....
Mass Effect
Member
Just do what I do OP and get a reliable group together to start playing with and railroad through teams that don't communicate. And if they think it's bullshit and get pissed off 'cause they're fighting a team that works together?
Not my fucking problem.
This is what happened in Battlefield a lot last gen. We'd usually have 4-8 player squads (and on rare occasions 10-12), go into games and would usually completely destroy the other team. Most of the time we didn't even have to really try, it's just we played sooo much together (both BF and other games) that we had very high chemistry. It got so bad that I had to create a rule where we would always let the enemy team have at least one flag so they could at least be able to leave their spawn.
Anyway, yeah, if you don't want to use a mic, that's fine, I completely get it and won't fault you for it. Just don't bitch about losing to other teams that do.
This is why I've started gravitating toward fighters again. When my friends aren't on but I want to play something competitive, I'll just load up Smash, Street Fighter or Tekken. Don't have to depend on anyone but yourself, and when you lose it's nobody's fault but yours*.
*this is assuming the fighting game is relatively well-balanced, doesn't have shit netcode, and/or isn't full of bugs/glitches.
You're right. The actual irony would be saying you don't use a mic because others ruin your experience and then getting destroyed by the enemy team whom are working well together because, you know, they're actually communicating. That'll really ruin your experience.
As I mentioned before, I don't fault anyone for not using game chat, like for reasons such as the ones you've mentioned, but at the same time people should recognize that not using it can still also "ruin your experience." Because eventually you're going to run into groups on the other side that communicate and you're going to get destroyed. And probably not want to play the game anymore... because it's no fun getting outplayed so hard that you literally can't do anything but either sit in spawn or feed the other team kills.
Sort of a catch-22 situation.
Not my fucking problem.
This is what happened in Battlefield a lot last gen. We'd usually have 4-8 player squads (and on rare occasions 10-12), go into games and would usually completely destroy the other team. Most of the time we didn't even have to really try, it's just we played sooo much together (both BF and other games) that we had very high chemistry. It got so bad that I had to create a rule where we would always let the enemy team have at least one flag so they could at least be able to leave their spawn.
Anyway, yeah, if you don't want to use a mic, that's fine, I completely get it and won't fault you for it. Just don't bitch about losing to other teams that do.
This is why I've started gravitating toward fighters again. When my friends aren't on but I want to play something competitive, I'll just load up Smash, Street Fighter or Tekken. Don't have to depend on anyone but yourself, and when you lose it's nobody's fault but yours*.
*this is assuming the fighting game is relatively well-balanced, doesn't have shit netcode, and/or isn't full of bugs/glitches.
You're right. The actual irony would be saying you don't use a mic because others ruin your experience and then getting destroyed by the enemy team whom are working well together because, you know, they're actually communicating. That'll really ruin your experience.
As I mentioned before, I don't fault anyone for not using game chat, like for reasons such as the ones you've mentioned, but at the same time people should recognize that not using it can still also "ruin your experience." Because eventually you're going to run into groups on the other side that communicate and you're going to get destroyed. And probably not want to play the game anymore... because it's no fun getting outplayed so hard that you literally can't do anything but either sit in spawn or feed the other team kills.
Sort of a catch-22 situation.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Talking is for scrubs, just use monomania and read each others minds
I'm confused. The catch 22 is that you're better than me so you use a mic and using a mic makes you better than me?
The arguments for using a mic don't really entice me to speak to mic users.
Edit: i should elaborate my contention. I don't have a problem with my play not using a mic, it seems op has a problem with his play when i don't use a mic. Not my problem, as they say.
Earthbound64
Banned
Umm... because I'll get shit for sounding like a 10-year old girl? Yeah, no thanks. That already happened once and I don't want to get that again even if I want to talk to my teammates using mic most especially in Overwatch's Team voicechat. I only use mic when I play with my friends and that's only in Group.
While I do understand that communication is crucial to winning a match, the amount of toxicity I've encountered in Overwatch alone is enough to make me go 'Nope' on communicating through voicechat. Perhaps I just get queue'd with assholes too often when I play by myself.
While I do understand that communication is crucial to winning a match, the amount of toxicity I've encountered in Overwatch alone is enough to make me go 'Nope' on communicating through voicechat. Perhaps I just get queue'd with assholes too often when I play by myself.
McCoolName
Neo Member
I just don't get why people get into competitive matches in OW if they are not going to communicate. Synergy is one of the biggest deal breakers in this sort of games and without a mic and the immediacy it provides it goes down the toilet.
autoduelist
Member
Absolutely agree, OP. If you're playing a MP game that requires teamwork, it's such a hassle when you get a non-mic random.
The threat of 'abusive' mic'd people is overblown... I play mp every night and rarely run into it, and we just mute it when it does happen. More importantly, after awhile of playing you'll befriend lots of friendly people and soon enough never need to deal with randoms on your team unless one of your crew isn't on that night.
Ultimately, though, having someone not on mic is a -massive- hindrance to a good team.
I don't even understand why people would want to play w/ no mic or communication... it's team based for a reason.
The threat of 'abusive' mic'd people is overblown... I play mp every night and rarely run into it, and we just mute it when it does happen. More importantly, after awhile of playing you'll befriend lots of friendly people and soon enough never need to deal with randoms on your team unless one of your crew isn't on that night.
Ultimately, though, having someone not on mic is a -massive- hindrance to a good team.
I don't even understand why people would want to play w/ no mic or communication... it's team based for a reason.
Mass Effect
Member
No... Did you even read? Here:
"I don't talk because assholes ruin my experience" (fair enough)
*gets destroyed by people who communicate.* *experience ruined anyway*
I wasn't even talking about me in that second part, just teams in general.
EDIT: And I should note that this obviously doesn't happen all the time, but it's happened enough in my experience.
And also games have gotten better at avoiding matching individuals against organized groups, but that still won't stop this from happening against randoms working together.
MaximumSpider
Banned
I don't want you to hear my deep voice
Off-Kilter
Banned
Don't you mean receipt's?
This is why I play non-competitive MP modes only.
No I'm not going to use a mic if I don't want to lol. If competitive queues matter so much to you, why the hell are you playing with pugs in the first place? Fuck outta here. Knowing that some of you rage over this is wonderful.
?? What does 'toxic person' mean to you?
?? What does 'toxic person' mean to you?
ScaryShark
Banned
Completely agree in a cooperative and ranked mode. It's one of the things that burned me out on Overwatch. It became increasingly frustrating to play with any non pre-made teams when only half the people were communicating.
Not having a mic in that setting is the equivalent of showing up to a baseball game without a glove and telling everyone you'll just play with your bare hands.
If it's too much of a burden or barrier, then the mode isn't for you. Be more considerate.
Not having a mic in that setting is the equivalent of showing up to a baseball game without a glove and telling everyone you'll just play with your bare hands.
If it's too much of a burden or barrier, then the mode isn't for you. Be more considerate.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
The apostrophe abuse in the thread title is triggering me. Do you even plural, OP
Are you a woman and/or do you have an accent?
bitbydeath
Gold Member
I've been tempted to get one for Friday the 13th but haven't found any standalone mics yet, do they not exist? Are they always paired with headphones? I don't understand why that method is popular considering they are two completely different things.
CambriaRising
Member
AlexFlame116
Member
I don't use the mic at nights due to family. But I've been using the mic less and less after hearing the comments that people make.
I just want to play Overwatch with chill people for once.
I just want to play Overwatch with chill people for once.
I'm somewhere in the middle on the talking vs not talking during online matches debate. Often it's very helpful and should be done, though I don't feel it's always absolutely nessessary. I'll talk if something needs to be said, but I'll occasionally spend full games saying nothing at all.
I do think, however, that by far the main reason people don't/won't talk online mostly comes down to how shy/embarrassed/worried that people will think they have a dorky voice a lot of game players fret about.
If you feel like something needs to be said, say it, don't be shy.
I do think, however, that by far the main reason people don't/won't talk online mostly comes down to how shy/embarrassed/worried that people will think they have a dorky voice a lot of game players fret about.
If you feel like something needs to be said, say it, don't be shy.
Lucky Seven
Banned
You need to find some people outside of the game. The odds were never in your favor for good communication in any team based game, whether forced team chat or not. You can try to collect a nice circle of friends by adding randoms, but that's harder. Don't judge your silent teammates, and mute the toxic ones.
I had a standalone mic on the ps3. It's just too much trouble since if you're playing with the sound coming from the T.V. it will play back on the mic and is just annoying to everyone else hearing the echo. Or alternatively, you play with no sound which is not ideal. Honestly, the cheap mics that come with the PS4 and Xbox are good enough for just about anything.
Tavernacle12
Member
I'd rather lose a match than win a match getting yelled at by random assholes on the Internet. It's not a catch-22, nor is it irony, my primary goal when playing a game is to have fun. Winning is fun, but not at that cost.
Also I've got 150 hours in Overwatch, have never used a mic, and have never been steamrolled by a team using voice chat.
Also I've got 150 hours in Overwatch, have never used a mic, and have never been steamrolled by a team using voice chat.
SimpleCRIPPLE
Member
Is it the players that don't use mics, or the abusive players that make getting on a mic or listening into voice chat a chore?
Stop singing in my ear or screaming racial slurs and maybe I'll feel like leaving voice chat on and joining in.
Stop singing in my ear or screaming racial slurs and maybe I'll feel like leaving voice chat on and joining in.
I don't even own a mic for my PC and usually disable voice chat if it's an option. Not only do I not want to hear people throwing insults and racial slurs and whatever other garbage may come across voice chat, but I have plenty of anxiety already without being subjected to cyberbullying.