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[B_Boss]

Then where is the 60FPS performance?

For starters, Destiny 2 will run 4k/60 so far as we know straight from Luke Smith himself.

 

[phil_t98]

It is 10.28Tf most of the time, but in rare cases where either the CPU or GPU would throttle due to workload, one chip can be downclocked so the struggling chip can maintain max clockspeed.


That's what I understand from Cerny's talk, but feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.

but that's not boosting? that's the opposite

 

[Psykodad]

but that's not boosting? that's the opposite

Boosting is just a name they gave to the increased clockspeed.

But people decided to completely misinterpret Cerny's explanation and call it a 9Tf machine that occassionally boosts to 10Tf instead.

Cerny literally explained all this.

 

[phil_t98]

Boosting is just a name they gave to the increased clockspeed.

But people decided to completely misinterpret Cerny's explanation and call it a 9Tf machine that occassionally boosts to 10Tf instead.

Cerny literally explained all this.

so its a 10TF machine but when the going gets tough it won't be? I find it curious they went with a design like this tbh. it seems like an odd choice

 

[Zoro7]

Lol I actually can’t believe we are still have this 9TF discussion. It embarrassing.

 

[captainraincoat]

No matter how many times people explain this it still sounds like the most retarded fanboy nonsense

 

[Psykodad]

so its a 10TF machine but when the going gets tough it won't be? I find it curious they went with a design like this tbh. it seems like an odd choice

Apparently both CPU and GPU will never be maxing at the same time, so when one struggles it leaves room for the other to be downclocked without a negative impact.
Seems like a more efficient approach.

That's what I understand though, so again, if I'm wrong, someone can correct me on this.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

For starters, Destiny 2 will run 4k/60 so far as we know straight from Luke Smith himself.

Really hoping that opens the door for cross-play options.

 

[phil_t98]

Apparently both CPU and GPU will never be maxing at the same time, so when one struggles it leaves room for the other to be downclocked without a negative impact.
Seems like a more efficient approach.

That's what I understand though, so again, if I'm wrong, someone can correct me on this.

that's at the moment and this is only the start of the gen. same as when PS4 and XO launched they weren't taxing the gpu's or cpu's early in the gen. I worry about later in the next gen how this will effect my PS5 with how they choose it will work that way. I will also say that later in the gen SSD streaming will be used better as well so that may help move things about quicker but maybe bottlenecked by variable CPU and GPU

 

[Psykodad]

that's at the moment and this is only the start of the gen. same as when PS4 and XO launched they weren't taxing the gpu's or cpu's early in the gen. I worry about later in the next gen how this will effect my PS5 with how they choose it will work that way. I will also say that later in the gen SSD streaming will be used better as well so that may help move things about quicker but maybe bottlenecked by variable CPU and GPU

No idea, that's something time will tell. The way I see it, is that ultimately they would have the same or similar results as they would have achieved with fixed clockspeeds at 10Tf.
They just designed it in an opposite way with power being fixed, instead of clockspeeds.

That's how Cerny explained it, anyway.

 

[ZywyPL]

Boosting is just a name they gave to the increased clockspeed.

But people decided to completely misinterpret Cerny's explanation and call it a 9Tf machine that occassionally boosts to 10Tf instead.

Cerny literally explained all this.

Cerny also said that before they implemented SmartShift it was hard for the CPU and GPU to maintain 3 and 2GHz clocks respectively, so it does being some valid concerns.

 

[phil_t98]

No idea, that's something time will tell. The way I see it, is that ultimately they would have the same or similar results as they would have achieved with fixed clockspeeds at 10Tf.
They just designed it in an opposite way with power being fixed, instead of clockspeeds.

That's how Cerny explained it, anyway.

well with fixed you know what you are going to get I guess. in a CPU heavy game graphics will take a hit and vice versa in a GPU heaven game cpu will take a hit.

 

[Psykodad]

Cerny also said that before they implemented SmartShift it was hard for the CPU and GPU to maintain 3 and 2GHz clocks respectively, so it does being some valid concerns.

True, but he also said that with the current design, clockspeeds could be even much higher, but they capped them to achieve predictable performance.

well with fixed you know what you are going to get I guess. in a CPU heavy game graphics will take a hit and vice versa in a GPU heaven game cpu will take a hit.

Yeah, I suppose. The downside would probably be that your chips are locked, so you can't give the other a little boost, so there's less efficiency.

 

[phil_t98]

True, but he also said that with the current design, clockspeeds could be even much higher, but they capped them to achieve predictable performance.


Yeah, I suppose. The downside would probably be that your chips are locked, so you can't give the other a little boost, so there's less efficiency.

but if the chips are fast enough as is why would they need boosting. it does feel as if the chips have been overclocked slightly and that's what they are doing with this "boost" mode. just seems a strange setup, I mean in pc we have maintained clock speeds and I dont see and boosting or throttling of either cpu or gpu to help performance. its just all new till we see on the ground what it does

 

[cormack12]

so its a 10TF machine but when the going gets tough it won't be? I find it curious they went with a design like this tbh. it seems like an odd choice

No. Why do people have so many problems with this. Watch the video of the talk. The PS5 has a PSU that runs at constant power. This constant power is built around the max (capped) frequencies. If they weren't capped then they would both over budget and the cooling solution being scaled would make no difference. Games will be built and developed for those specs. However, at times, when the game isn't pushing one of the components to its threshold (due to need), the technology will hold the unused power in reserve so it can be reallocated to the other component (if needed). If anythign when the going gets tough for a few seconds, it makes it likelier they can 'steal' some unused power to level out that part of the game.

Take GTA V as an example, driving along a highway. You've got draw distance and all the other stuff going on. But hang on, the AI simulation isn't maxing out the CPU, so there's an extra 3 percent in the power budget. OK, well let's use that 3% reserve to boost the GPU even higher and maintain that steady 60fps. Suddenly you go through a tunnel. The traffic density drops, the GPU doesn't need to work as hard so neither component needs to be running at max, so it will drop them for efficiency. It's like looking at a wall on a PC game and getting 224fps then getting back into the action and it's running at a more realistic 120. Isn't it better to use v-sync at 120 and not have your GPU burning extra frames when they're not needed?

People are interpreting this (because they want to) wrongly. The Xbox Series X is more powerful, it's that simple I don't know why we get bogged down so much on these little details. I mean, when the DF video's come out, everyone is just setting themselves up for fails when they'll be then asked to explain why a '9TF GPU' is on par with the extra horsepower of the XsX.

We also need to see how this translates because I also remember a very similar point being made about the PS$ with offloaded asynch compute and how it was going to push the capabilities beyond the limitations of the jaguar CPU as a result. Didn't really materialise in real life though did it. There was nothing first party that clearly outstripped the Jaguar CPU, even on the Pro which had 50% more GPU power for the offloading.

 

[Psykodad]

but if the chips are fast enough as is why would they need boosting. it does feel as if the chips have been overclocked slightly and that's what they are doing with this "boost" mode. just seems a strange setup, I mean in pc we have maintained clock speeds and I dont see and boosting or throttling of either cpu or gpu to help performance. its just all new till we see on the ground what it does

They are overclocked afaik, that's why they use the term "boost".
But because they went with fixed power consumption and variable clockspeeds, they could come up with that cooling solution people were talking about to counter the heating issues.

 

[phil_t98]

No. Why do people have so many problems with this. Watch the video of the talk. The PS5 has a PSU that runs at constant power. This constant power is built around the max (capped) frequencies. If they weren't capped then they would both over budget and the cooling solution being scaled would make no difference. Games will be built and developed for those specs. However, at times, when the game isn't pushing one of the components to its threshold (due to need), the technology will hold the unused power in reserve so it can be reallocated to the other component (if needed). If anythign when the going gets tough for a few seconds, it makes it likelier they can 'steal' some unused power to level out that part of the game.

Take GTA V as an example, driving along a highway. You've got draw distance and all the other stuff going on. But hang on, the AI simulation isn't maxing out the CPU, so there's an extra 3 percent in the power budget. OK, well let's use that 3% reserve to boost the GPU even higher and maintain that steady 60fps. Suddenly you go through a tunnel. The traffic density drops, the GPU doesn't need to work as hard so neither component needs to be running at max, so it will drop them for efficiency. It's like looking at a wall on a PC game and getting 224fps then getting back into the action and it's running at a more realistic 120. Isn't it better to use v-sync at 120 and not have your GPU burning extra frames when they're not needed?

People are interpreting this (because they want to) wrongly. The Xbox Series X is more powerful, it's that simple I don't know why we get bogged down so much on these little details. I mean, when the DF video's come out, everyone is just setting themselves up for fails when they'll be then asked to explain why a '9TF GPU' is on par with the extra horsepower of the XsX.

We also need to see how this translates because I also remember a very similar point being made about the PS$ with offloaded asynch compute and how it was going to push the capabilities beyond the limitations of the jaguar CPU as a result. Didn't really materialise in real life though did it. There was nothing first party that clearly outstripped the Jaguar CPU, even on the Pro which had 50% more GPU power for the offloading.

nobody is interpreting it wrong the message they came out with is fuzzy which leads to speculation of how this will work. its as simple as that, we are not talking about xbox we are talking about PS5. we know what the xbox is and we are discussing how the PS5 will work

 

[phil_t98]

They are overclocked afaik, that's why they use the term "boost".
But because they went with fixed power consumption and variable clockspeeds, they could come up with that cooling solution people were talking about to counter the heating issues.

yeah that makes sense in terms of cooling tbh, hope its better than my PS4 which sounds like its ready to take off sometimes lol. maybe this solution will allow it to run near silent

 

[cormack12]

nobody is interpreting it wrong the message they came out with is fuzzy which leads to speculation of how this will work. its as simple as that, we are not talking about xbox we are talking about PS5. we know what the xbox is and we are discussing how the PS5 will work

It's not fuzzy at all though. The videos and articles all explain it simply, then they get ran through various intepretations on forums like this or reddit subs with positive and negative spin. It's all there.

 

[phil_t98]

It's not fuzzy at all though. The videos and articles all explain it simply, then they get ran through various intepretations on forums like this or reddit subs with positive and negative spin. It's all there.

to the point where Digital Foundry were not sure of it?

 

[Psykodad]

to the point where Digital Foundry were not sure of it?

They have a Xbox bias though.

 

[phil_t98]

They have a Xbox bias though.

do they really though? is this like Epic's bias towards PS5?

 

[Rea]

Apparently both CPU and GPU will never be maxing at the same time, so when one struggles it leaves room for the other to be downclocked without a negative impact.
Seems like a more efficient approach.

That's what I understand though, so again, if I'm wrong, someone can correct me on this.

No, both cpu and gpu can run max clock at the same time.
Cery said,
"The CPU and GPU each have a power budget, of course the GPU power budget is the larger of the two," adds Cerny. "If the CPU doesn't use its power budget - for example, if it is capped at 3.5GHz - then the unused portion of the budget goes to the GPU. That's what AMD calls SmartShift. There's enough power that both CPU and GPU can potentially run at their limits of 3.5GHz and 2.23GHz, it isn't the case that the developer has to choose to run one of them slower."

 

[bitbydeath]

You're wrong. Neither the CPU or GPU are enhanced beyond their top power level. They are enhanced to reach their top power/ max clocks. This interview made it clear, as is expected, that Boosting Clocks is a scene specific flexibility given to developers and even the person that is interviewed said that this should be done incidentally and not sustained. So as others, I would like to know what the PS5's Sustained Performance number is.

On the contrary, if you check post #57 you’ll see that I was right.

PlayStation 5’s Boost Clock Design Opens Up a Lot of Opportunities, Says Developer

You can throttle to the max but we prefer if you don’t? What in the fuck?

www.neogaf.com

 

[Psykodad]

No, both cpu and gpu can run max clock at the same time.
Cery said,
"The CPU and GPU each have a power budget, of course the GPU power budget is the larger of the two," adds Cerny. "If the CPU doesn't use its power budget - for example, if it is capped at 3.5GHz - then the unused portion of the budget goes to the GPU. That's what AMD calls SmartShift. There's enough power that both CPU and GPU can potentially run at their limits of 3.5GHz and 2.23GHz, it isn't the case that the developer has to choose to run one of them slower."

Thanks for clarifying.
The principle still stands though.

 

[Evilms]

8-9 or 10 tflops, variable or fixed frequencies

the only thing I'm sure of is that the biggest graphic slaps will once again come from the sony first party studios as it was already the case on PS3 and PS4 on this generation, so the rest doesn't matter to me.

We've seen that the XBO X is more powerful than the PS4 Pro but no microsoft first party game reaches the quality of naughty dog, santa monica, insomniac, guerilla or sucker punch... games.

talent > everything else.

 

[pawel86ck]

Boost clock is just more performance, and more is always better. Developers can always optimize their code for the clock in the worst possible scenario and everything above that clock will be a bonus (a little bit better framere or higher resolution).

The problem is however we dont know how far PS5 GPU will downclock and most likely we will never know (Digital Foundry has no tools to determine such things like GPU clock). I hope PS5 GPU will stay at 10TF even at worst possible scenario, but anything 2170MHz would already give sub 10TF numbers.

 

[manzo]

Guys

guys

Jeesus fucking christ

When you’re blowing shit up in Cawadoody 2021 and having fun or racing your buddies in GT7, trying to overtake your buddy in a corner, do you only think that whoa, too many cars on screen and in this corner i’m seeing too much foliage, oh no - the PS5 is downclocking the GPU! I might be going under 10 teraflops oh god oh no my day is ruined!

Guys, it’s ok. The PS5 is slower than the Series X. It’s ok. You can easily solve your dilemma by buying both if you want best of both worlds. I’m only getting a PS5 since the smaller japanese devs are doing Switchand PS5 only anyway and I prefer Japanese games. I’m fine with my copy of western game X dropping to 1900p instead of 2140p, since I won’t notice that during gameplay anyway. I don’t stop midgame to count pixels or do FPS analysis if my copy might be running worse than the Series X counterpart.

If that keeps you up at night, just buy a PC and play the metagame of toying with graphical settings for two days before forgetting the game exists in you 400 Steam game backlog.

The ego investments to these boxes is insane. I used to be like that too until I understood that fuck the platform, play where your friends are and forget the teraflops. Or buy them all and get the best version to the corresponding platform.

 

[Sony]

On the contrary, if you check post #57 you’ll see that I was right.

PlayStation 5’s Boost Clock Design Opens Up a Lot of Opportunities, Says Developer

You can throttle to the max but we prefer if you don’t? What in the fuck?

www.neogaf.com

Nothing that post or that article points out contradicts what I said.
You have max clocks and sustained clocks. Like mentioned before that means the frequencies are variable but capped at 3.5 GHz for the CPU and 2.23 GHz for the GPU. That is the top level.
Beyond the top level, what you said, implies that variable frequencies allows the CPU and GPU to go beyond 3.5 Ghz and 2.23 Ghz. They won't and they can't.

In other words, The CPU's 100% is 3.5Ghz and the GPU's 100% is 2.23 Ghz.
Any variation below that will have the CPU run at [100%-X%] and the GPU run at [100%-Y%], where X and Y can differ per scene.
That's why it's so important to know what the PS5's sustained clocks are/ base clocks if developers don't choose to variate.

 

[Rea]

Boost clock is just more performance, and more is always better. Developers can always optimize their code for the clock in the worst possible scenario and everything above that clock will be a bonus (a little bit better framere or higher resolution).

The problem is however we dont know how far PS5 GPU will downclock and most likely we will never know (Digital Foundry has no tools to determine PS5 GPU clock). I hope PS5 GPU will stay at 10TF even at worst possible scenario, but anything 2170MHz would already give sub 10TF numbers.

Why are you so obsessed with those numbers?? As long as games run smooth and have good visual great graphics, that's all that matters. Who the hell cares about TFLOPS, clocks speed, multipliers bull craps. Just enjoy whatever platform u like with whatever games that's available. Unless you're developer.

 

[Rea]

Nothing that post or that article points out contradicts what I said.
You have max clocks and sustained clocks. Like mentioned before that means the frequencies are variable but capped at 3.5 GHz for the CPU and 2.23 GHz for the GPU. That is the top level.
Beyond the top level, what you said, implies that variable frequencies allows the CPU and GPU to go beyond 3.5 Ghz and 2.23 Ghz. They won't and they can't.

In other words, The CPU's 100% is 3.5Ghz and the GPU's 100% is 2.23 Ghz.
Any variation below that will have the CPU run at [100%-X%] and the GPU run at [100%-Y%], where X and Y can differ per scene.
That's why it's so important to know what the PS5's sustained clocks are/ base clocks if developers don't choose to variate.

Sometimes even when gpu running at full max clock which is 2.23GHz, a set of instruction codes can flips many transistors at the same time. That's where the game have power spike when running 100% utilization. When that happens , if there is no Amd smart shift gpu will have to downclock. But because of AMD SmartShift cpu can give it's power budget for gpu's power spike to compensate gpu downclocking.

 

[pawel86ck]

Why are you so obsessed with those numbers?? As long as games run smooth and have good visual great graphics, that's all that matters. Who the hell cares about TFLOPS, clocks speed, multipliers bull craps. Just enjoy whatever platform u like with whatever games that's available. Unless you're developer.

Who cares about TFLOPS? I always thought every PS fan on this site care about TFLOPS at least that's how it looked like before people have learned MS has the upper hand here.

TFLOPS dont paint the whole picture, but make no mistake, no matter what Cerny say TFLOPS are still important and especially if someone want to estimate performance on the same architecture. With more TFLOPS Epic would increase resolution and framerate in their tech demo.

 

[Psykodad]

Sometimes even when gpu running at full max clock which is 2.23GHz, a set of instruction codes can flips many transistors at the same time. That's where the game have power spike when running 100% utilization. When that happens , if there is no Amd smart shift gpu will have to downclock. But because of AMD SmartShift cpu can give it's power budget for gpu's power spike to compensate gpu downclocking.

That makes the clockspeeds even more sustainable than the way I understood it then, correct?

 

[turtlepowa]

No matter how many times people explain this it still sounds like the most retarded fanboy nonsense

I would love to see NeoGAF with only Microsoft using variable frequencies. Would be so much fun to read thousands and thousands of posts why it's utter crap.

 

[Psykodad]

Who cares about TFLOPS? I always thought every PS fan on this site care about it at least that's how it looked like before people have learned MS has the upper hand in TFLOPS.

TFLOPS dont paint the whole picture, but make no mistake, no matter what Cerny say TFLOPS are still important and especially if someone want to estimate performance on the same architecture. With more TFLOPS Epic would increase resolution and framerate in their tech demo.

Yes, higher resolution and framerate and lower detail. Or a larger RAM pool.

 

[Rea]

That makes the clockspeeds even more sustainable than the way I understood it then, correct?

Yes, power consumption spike is not because of utilization of cpu gpu. It is because of a code that makes many or most transitors flip at the same time. If developers can optimize and minimize power spikes both cpu and gpu can run at max speed for sustained period. Also power spikes happens only for short period of time.

 

[Rea]

Who cares about TFLOPS? I always thought every PS fan on this site care about it at least that's how it looked like before people have learned MS has the upper hand in TFLOPS.

TFLOPS dont paint the whole picture, but make no mistake, no matter what Cerny say TFLOPS are still important and especially if someone want to estimate performance on the same architecture. With more TFLOPS Epic would increase resolution and framerate in their tech demo.

Epic demo can't run not because of limitations but because they are not optimized. Epic confirms there is enough budget to run at 4k 60 after optimization. Research plz..

 

[Psykodad]

Yes, power consumption spike is not because of utilization of cpu gpu. It is because of a code that makes many or most transitors flip at the same time. If developers can optimize and minimize power spikes both cpu and gpu can run at max speed for sustained period. Also power spikes happens only for short period of time.

That shuts down the 9Tf-narrative then.

 

[Rea]

That shuts down the 9Tf-narrative then.

I will attach the link from digital foundry interview with mark cerny, in case you haven't read it.

PlayStation 5 uncovered: the Mark Cerny tech deep dive

On March 18th, Sony finally broke cover with in-depth information on the technical make-up of PlayStation 5. Expanding …

www.eurogamer.net

 

[Deleted member 775630]

This developer really worded this badly when saying "We prefer if you didn't, but if there's like a fringe case where you're just off that tiny bit of performance you need, we will let you squeeze a little bit extra.", which actually means that the console normally doesn't run at those max clocks and only in special cases you would actually use that. Pretty sure we are going to see a difference in games when DF does their analysis.

 

[Psykodad]

This developer really worded this badly when saying "We prefer if you didn't, but if there's like a fringe case where you're just off that tiny bit of performance you need, we will let you squeeze a little bit extra.", which actually means that the console normally doesn't run at those max clocks and only in special cases you would actually use that. Pretty sure we are going to see a difference in games when DF does their analysis.

And some wonder why "9Tf" results in bans.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Sony says it focused on making the console silent
Forum trolls: that shit will be noisy when it gets hot LOL

Sony says they made the console so the performance would be constant regardless of room temperature
Forum Trolls: that shit is gonna overheat and melt after 10min of gaming in the summer ROFL

Sony explains smartshift will move power between CPU and GPU depending on where it is needed to boost performance
Forum Trolls: its a 9tf piece of shit that can boost clocks close to 10tf for short moments. There will be frame drops everywhere LMAO

 

[Gavin Stevens]

PS5: Take this bit of rope, put both hands on both ends and your foot in the middle. When you pull one end, the other end moves down. Pull that end, and the first goes down. Carefully evaluate whether you need more GPU or cpu power in certain situations, but remember you can never go over a certain point.

Xbox: Fuck it just take the whole spool, don’t worry about that shit. You’ve got a limit sure but it’s still higher than either of the others. But don’t worry, you do what you want love, the other will be fine regardless.

Switch: You can play me on the toilet.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I would love to see NeoGAF with only Microsoft using variable frequencies. Would be so much fun to read thousands and thousands of posts why it's utter crap.

I must be missing where people are trash-talking the Series X? I admit I don't frequent every thread but I've gotten used to people trolling the PS5 to the point that the mods need to ban people for spreading false info constantly. The most down-talk I've seen about the Series X is that theoretically if a dev took advantage of it they could do some stuff with double the through-put on PS5 meaning something has to be cut down on with Series X. For the most part I'd expect first party devs to be the most likely to take full advantage of that, though, meaning you can't even compare the game on both platforms. Is anyone denying more TLFOPs means the X can push out more effects? Is anyone lying about the numbers the Series X does? I'm not saying it doesn't exist but thousands of posts? Really? I just don't see it.

 

[pawel86ck]

Epic demo can't run not because of limitations but because they are not optimized. Epic confirms there is enough budget to run at 4k 60 after optimization. Research plz..

Where Epic has confirmed there's enough GPU budget to run UE5 at 4K 60fps?

 

[Gavin Stevens]

I must be missing where people are trash-talking the Series X? I admit I don't frequent every thread but I've gotten used to people trolling the PS5 to the point that the mods need to ban people for spreading false info constantly. The most down-talk I've seen about the Series X is that theoretically if a dev took advantage of it they could do some stuff with double the through-put on PS5 meaning something has to be cut down on with Series X. For the most part I'd expect first party devs to be the most likely to take full advantage of that, though, meaning you can't even compare the game on both platforms. Is anyone denying more TLFOPs means the X can push out more effects? Is anyone lying about the numbers the Series X does? I'm not saying it doesn't exist but thousands of posts? Really? I just don't see it.

Thousands may be a tad low, actually. There’s a reason this place is known as Sony Gaf to many. It’s more balanced than...... other forums.... but the fan bias still exists. For reference go in the next gen discussion thread. But be warned... once you go in, you will never leave...

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Thousands may be a tad low, actually. There’s a reason this place is known as Sony Gaf to many. It’s more balanced than...... other forums.... but the fan bias still exists. For reference go in the next gen discussion thread. But be warned... once you go in, you will never leave...

I'm well-versed in persecution complexes yes, that said PS4 has sold more than double the units of the Xbox One, so wouldn't there naturally be more Sony gamers on any forum that isn't catering specifically to the Xbox crowd?

 

[FranXico]

Take this bit of rope, put both hands on both ends and your foot in the middle. When you pull one end, the other end moves down. Pull that end, and the first goes down. Carefully evaluate whether you need more GPU or cpu power in certain situations, but remember you can never go over a certain point.

Read the comments above, developers do not have to "carefully evaluate" anything.

 

[turtlepowa]

Thousands may be a tad low, actually. There’s a reason this place is known as Sony Gaf to many. It’s more balanced than...... other forums.... but the fan bias still exists. For reference go in the next gen discussion thread. But be warned... once you go in, you will never leave...

And just for that second sentence you will probably be banned.

I love how we came from 2013 "TF are very important" to 2017 "TF don't matter at all" to 2020 where it was first "Who needs raw power? It's all about other stuff" and now people are arguing about 0.28 just to get the so important 10 before the point. You can say whatever you want about NeoGAF, but it's always entertaining here.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

And some wonder why "9Tf" results in bans.

I'm not saying anything about 9TF or anything. I don't really care. Purely pointing out that this developer worded in such a way that in most cases the PS5 doesn't run at max clocks.