Yoda
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Patronizing new voters to your party sounds like a sure-fire way to increase turnout in midterms!
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT5| Archdemon Hillary Clinton vs. Lice Traffic Jam
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Patronizing new voters to your party sounds like a sure-fire way to increase turnout in midterms!
Don't forget the amount of Republicans that just aren't going to vote at all or vote third party, I'm sure it will be a significant amount.
That take is so hot it burned my pancakes!
Box of Kittens
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I can't wait for months of substance free "Trump can win this" articles from Politico.
Abinash117
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Can't wait for HA Goodman's first Pro-Trump article "The polls are wrong about Hillary beating Trump by 10 points in all battleground states. Here's Why"
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Make white women hate you (35% of voters)
Make non-white men hate you (15% of voters)
Make non-white women think you are actually Hitler (15% of voters)
Oh, and Jews and Mormons and church-going evangelicals hate you too (>5% of voters)
<30% of voters can stand Trump!
Box of Kittens
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Yeah, but they'll have articles! With quotes! From both Democratic and Republican sources! Making vague statements!
How can you argue with that?
Spoiled Milk
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I know I was defending voting for Trump yesterday because I believe you can support him without being racist but Ann Coulter is like the biggest and longest outed racist in American politics.
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Holy shit people, it does not matter that Bernie hasn't dropped.
He can't win. The mainstream media is over him. Hillary didn't spend a dime in Indiana and she's pivoted to the general like two weeks ago.
Everything is okay. It's okay to be nervous a little bit about the <1% chance that Trump wins but don't sublimate that anxiety into anger at Bernie because nothing he can do will change that.
He can't win. The mainstream media is over him. Hillary didn't spend a dime in Indiana and she's pivoted to the general like two weeks ago.
Everything is okay. It's okay to be nervous a little bit about the <1% chance that Trump wins but don't sublimate that anxiety into anger at Bernie because nothing he can do will change that.
Aaron Strife
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Brian Walsh is a dipshit and a tool.
Spyder_Monkey
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America is fucked isn't it?
I'm on my phone rIght now but I would otherwise link back to the Democracy Corps dive into the GOP electorate and specifically that 20% or so of the GOP base that is actually moderate and marginalized by the party.
One of their observations was that Hillary actually went almost 50/50 among moderate Republican women against generic R.
Donald Trump is a lot of things, but he's no generic R.
I think people need to recognize that this is the end of the current GOP.
It's much more likely that the GOP gets less than 100 electoral votes than it is that they get 270.
One of their observations was that Hillary actually went almost 50/50 among moderate Republican women against generic R.
Donald Trump is a lot of things, but he's no generic R.
I think people need to recognize that this is the end of the current GOP.
It's much more likely that the GOP gets less than 100 electoral votes than it is that they get 270.
I think there's a third group, which is 19-22 year olds who have time on their side and feel they don't have to settle. They're the political equivalent of people with 'standards' who won't marry until they meet Mr. Right. They're committed, but they derive no utility from a bad relationship.
I dunno; I feel pretty good about Clinton's chances.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Honestly, I don't think the media will be able to pretend that Trump is a normal candidate instead of a David Duke like person and here's why:
-Hillary is a woman and Trump hates women so Trump will say something sexist.
-The media will have female writers do the "Trump calls Hillary a hag" article and the female writers will likely say some negative things about Trump just because that's how articles go.
-The Alt-Right will immediately flood the inboxes of these female writers with child porn and death threats for days on end.
Basically every female reporter and journalist is going to face such an impossible level of abuse this general election that all media outlets will have to face employee revolts to cover Trump "neutrally."
-Hillary is a woman and Trump hates women so Trump will say something sexist.
-The media will have female writers do the "Trump calls Hillary a hag" article and the female writers will likely say some negative things about Trump just because that's how articles go.
-The Alt-Right will immediately flood the inboxes of these female writers with child porn and death threats for days on end.
Basically every female reporter and journalist is going to face such an impossible level of abuse this general election that all media outlets will have to face employee revolts to cover Trump "neutrally."
Spyder_Monkey
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Clinton has the women, latino, and black vote. Those are three key demos for the democrats. I just don't know if the lack of the young vote is yet to be a concern.
The bolded and highlighted is fascinating to me. I thought that after 2012 EVERYONE on the Conservative side finally admitted that they had issues with young voters, women and minorities. But apparently there was resistance to that even STILL after that ass whipping in 2012.
To be so steadfast in the wake of that landslide is a little .... curious. I don't really even know what to expect from them after this year.
I've said that a few times. Hillary Clinton, the politician with presidential aspirations, has always represented the end of the GOP. It's why they've gone after her as hard as they have for the last 25 years. If America is at the point where we can elect a woman to the presidency it means that it's the end of the coalition they've used nationally for the last 50 years or so.
Retromelon
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Our government collects all our information to make sure we wont become terrorists and the 'liberal' choice wants to keep doing it and the conservative, small government choice wants to keep doing it. We are fucked squared
Knuckle Sandwich
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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Ben Sasse is the only actual #NeverTrump politician who will run in 2020. This is his only defining characteristic other than wanting to privatize Social Security. With those two traits, along with being young and being able to talk, he's basically a media dreamboat.
Sasse is going to get so much hype for the next four years and he's going to get crushed so badly.
Sasse is going to get so much hype for the next four years and he's going to get crushed so badly.
Remember that the Obama coalition wasn't young people, it was millennials.
I think Hillary will do fine with them in November. The youth that won't vote for her probably wouldn't have voted much in any case.
Ziltoidia 9
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Box of Kittens
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Basically the issue for Trump is that you can't win an election with just white men any more, and he has very little appeal outside those groups. There's a reason George W. Bush and his team put so much effort into getting the Hispanic vote.
Chezzymann
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My dad said he's gonna have to vote hillary now because 'trump is the worst'. He voted republican every time this century. Although I'm worried he will change his mind in the next 7 months. Hopefully there's more conservatives that do the same.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I can't believe I forgot about how Schilling will dominate in the GOP moving forward politically:
https://twitter.com/pareene/status/727711094521901058
https://twitter.com/pareene/status/727711094521901058
The response to the woman who wrote the Melania story in GQ was certainly a sign of things to come.
Young people don't vote in very large numbers, so it's not a huge concern. It'd be nice if they came back around, but they have never been very active voters.
I really think the difference will be how much popular institutional support Clinton gets compared to the adversion to Trump from Senators and Representatives. McCain simply is not going to campaign with Trump because he is toxic to his reelection. Likewise with Ayotte and Jonson, and Grassely and Toomey.
Good luck taking PA from the Dems when we've got Biden, Perez, Warren, and hopefully Sanders barnstorming the state.
Good luck taking PA from the Dems when we've got Biden, Perez, Warren, and hopefully Sanders barnstorming the state.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I mean, #GamerGate was roughly 1000 losers and there aren't many female journalists in the gaming industry and #GamerGate wasn't affiliated with the biggest story in gaming day after day so the gaming industry could plug their ears and pretend nothing was happened, but fuck, they just abused women that spoke against them.
Trump has probably 100k online loser warriors, there are tons of female writers in political journalism, and Trump's losers are connected to Trump who is the most important story in politics. This will be impossible to ignore for media outlets and women will get far more abuse than even the women attacked by #GamerGate got. Some female, Jewish writer will probably get SWATted by the middle of September, people might die.
Expect this to happen with the more economic and business focused Republicans. Some will just rationalize, but those who really know what's up will jump the fence.
I think it's more likely that they just won't vote.
Agreed. The current environment is too polarized.
I generally agree (assuming he doesn't do something stupid and concede at the end).
Though I still think if you care about the policies that he pushes (like I do) the best move here is to drop out of the race and endorse and campaign for Hillary in the general.
It will create some good will toward him and the progressive wing of the party which will help getting shit done. Not to mention that the money he has on hand could be much better use post the election trying to push policies.
On the flipside, if Hillary somehow lose (and I don't think it particularly likely) and he played it hardball people will probably pin the loss on him, right or wrong (and I think it almost certainly be wrong) and that can set progressive causes back in this country. Just like Nader in 2000.
That'll happen too, but don't be shocked if people jump the fence.
I said this in another thread but anyway, my boss has indicated as such too. He's conservative but he's incredibly friendly and I consider him a good friend (he knows I'm trans, etc) so I do have a feeling, and will also make the prediction some will not have the heart to vote for someone as blatantly racist as Trump, stay home or they may even cross over to the other side for this election. Maybe just enough to make a small but crucial difference.
BlastProcessing
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I can say as a resident of "Guam Carolina" that those in Guam proper should definitely turn out for Clinton.
Thanks Tim Robbins for connecting me to my heritage.
benjipwns
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Where's the street-wise Hercules
To fight the rising odds?
Isn't there a white knight upon a fiery steed?
Late at night I toss and I turn and I dream of what I need
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuib2Vo3hSo
To fight the rising odds?
Isn't there a white knight upon a fiery steed?
Late at night I toss and I turn and I dream of what I need
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuib2Vo3hSo
NYCmetsfan
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I don't think he's going to win or hurt hillary in any real way but I worry about how he's making people feel about politics
Quote from a few days ago.
I think this comes from his fundamental want of revolution. He didn't choose those words haphazardly. I'm not saying he's a jacobin but I do think he has fundamental disagreements about how the US government works. I get the feeling he doesn't respect many aspects of the consitution when they can't be used for his own desired goals (his comments about the Supreme Court and Citizens show that IMO). He's not a warren who wants change but understands how government works in America. He's toned himself down from his days in berlington but I think a lot of this stubborness comes from a general disgust and moral certitude which is poisonous in a two party system of periodic elections, federalism, checks and balances, etc.
eBay Huckster
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benji where on earth have you been
Yay, benji's back!
Unclear whether he means because OF people like you or because people don't hate the media enough.
Either way.
Also consistently astonishing to me that as the conventional media becomes steadily less relevant they also get steadily blamed more for the stuff that happens. Why aren't people firebombing Twitter headquarters?*
* I do not advocate this. It would be super hard to take credit for the bombing and list your demands in only 140 characters.
Unclear whether he means because OF people like you or because people don't hate the media enough.
Either way.
Also consistently astonishing to me that as the conventional media becomes steadily less relevant they also get steadily blamed more for the stuff that happens. Why aren't people firebombing Twitter headquarters?*
* I do not advocate this. It would be super hard to take credit for the bombing and list your demands in only 140 characters.
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