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Resident Evil with action is the best Resident Evil
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F0rneus
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Only the final area is shootbang action. And it's pretty damn short. Every other sections of the game are still about collecting key items, managing inventory and is pretty tense and scary.
Waddle Dee
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What's this? Don't think I've heard about it.
IcyRhythms
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What? lol
Disagree completely
The formula is still very much the same. The existing mechanics just improved in every possible way. I don't know how you can say it changed more than RE when just before that "same outdated controls and mechanics"
When I play GTA, it still feels like I'm killing whores for money, stealing cars that I can't afford, exploring a large open world, and enjoying some of the best voice acting in video games.
When I play RE5 and 6, those games lack decent scares and atmosphere.
It's not the second half of the game, it's roughly the final hour. And it's not like the classic RE games also didn't turn into a little action romp at the end too. Resident Evil 2's second campaign ends with you dodging a high speed enemy and shooting a motherfucking rocket launcher at him.
Waddle Dee
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Subjective, but the giant rats in RE5 were scarier than anything in RE7.
Like, I have a phobia of clowns and the robo-clown-puppet-thing still didn't scare me.
OrbitalBeard
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I'd be willing to concede that the area before is more action-focused than the previous sections, but yeah, it's still full of the classic RE tropes of exploration and light puzzle solving (save for
the final tape
Yeah, this is what I was getting at. It's much longer than an hour, but not even close to half of the game. It's not even a third of it.
As someone that grew up in RE's earliest days, it's telling that I'd much rather play its actions games than the games that were supposed to be horror. Even tho I adore REmake and consider it one of the best games ever made, you kind of have to buy into its bullshit to actually be scared of anything, and really, that's why horror in general is kind of lame. Once you know all the tricks, what's there to be scared of?
That's kind of the reason why RE7 sort of fell flat for me. I knew where every monster was going to pop up. I knew what i had to do to defeat them and most of the time the enemies are just toothless. The game would have been scarier if it weren't so predictable.
The action games follow similar beats, but because the mechanics actually take more skill and knowledge to utilize and enemies comes in all sorts of variety, there's simply more to be had. Whether you're experimenting with different weapons or testing out different strategies, a game like RE6 could falter but you would be able to put up with it because of its excellent combat.
So I guess I agree. Action RE is best RE. Seriously, fuck RE7. The First Person Perspective did absolutely nothing for the series.
That's kind of the reason why RE7 sort of fell flat for me. I knew where every monster was going to pop up. I knew what i had to do to defeat them and most of the time the enemies are just toothless. The game would have been scarier if it weren't so predictable.
The action games follow similar beats, but because the mechanics actually take more skill and knowledge to utilize and enemies comes in all sorts of variety, there's simply more to be had. Whether you're experimenting with different weapons or testing out different strategies, a game like RE6 could falter but you would be able to put up with it because of its excellent combat.
So I guess I agree. Action RE is best RE. Seriously, fuck RE7. The First Person Perspective did absolutely nothing for the series.
Waddle Dee
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I'm counting that whole section on the boat. It's at least a third of the game, or at least it sure felt like it.
Son Of Sparda
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I have played classic REs as well. I actually started the series with RE3 on PS1 and that game had plenty action in it, so I don't think that's really a good example.
At any rate, the mainline series was focused on action for a decade. You can't simply say that action RE and their fans have no place in the series and have to look elsewhere to get what they want. I think most (if not all) action fans are okay with mainline series being focused on horror, as long as we got an action based sub-series. But horror fans are completely dismissive of the idea of any action related RE game, which is very frustrating.
Jawmuncher
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Maybe i'm missing it up but there was an interview that said he couldn't work on SB until he finished up with Resident Evil.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
But the boat was full of puzzles, key items, and had only two weapons (3 in the Zoe route, or is it four?). It is basically a third of the game, but it's nothing like a FPS.
How About No
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A huge part of the boat was assessing a new environment while dodging enemies until you were adequately armed again. Also searching for key items and unlocking shortcuts in an open-ended manner. Nothing FPSy about that imo
Are you confusing Dark Souls for RE lol
Bit if you think about it, DS is a pretty good RE hhmmmmm....
Giant rats? Huh?
Are you confusing Dark Souls for RE lol
Bit if you think about it, DS is a pretty good RE hhmmmmm....
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
To me survival horror is about punishment for deaths. You lose progress, items you found, you actually dread it...Soulsborne works much the same.
IcyRhythms
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I want those that enjoy stuff like RE6 more than older games to still have their RE games. I just don't want that for the mainline games.
xviper
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imagine if someone started the MGS series with MGS V and they loved it and want the upcoming sequels to be like it, this is the situation now with "Fans" of the Resident evil series
we waited longer than a decade for Resident evil to actually come back to being a TRUE Resident evil game, don't take that away from us, we suffered a lot, our precious RE is finally home
i say this as a guy who thinks Resident evil 4 is the greatest game ever made, but it's not a Resident evil game
we waited longer than a decade for Resident evil to actually come back to being a TRUE Resident evil game, don't take that away from us, we suffered a lot, our precious RE is finally home
i say this as a guy who thinks Resident evil 4 is the greatest game ever made, but it's not a Resident evil game
Sir Ilpalazzo
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I think even worse is the idea that being scared by a game or immersed in its moody atmosphere is somehow a more intellectually stimulating or valuable feeling than engaging with a deep, well-executed combat system. Working together with your partner to take down a horde of majini, managing your inventory in real-time, conserving your ammo and making smart use of melee and carefully aimed shots to control crowds, and carefully considering your position every time you stop to counterattack the enemy is all just "mindless action" - but killing hordes of zombies by firing auto-aimed shotgun blasts into them, then running around empty hallways while placing puzzle items in their designated slots is deep! I love classic Resident Evil but a lot of RE fans have weird backwards priorities.
family_guy
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True. It seems limited though. Like it didn't do much to go beyond what we got with RE1 besides changing the perspective. It's certainly not Remake-tier. I prefer the classic games, but I don't think RE7 stands with them other than the very first game.
RSB
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So do I, but with Capcom you never know, they tend to do some really stupid shit.
But seriously, if they make the RE2 a 1st person game... :shudders: Classic style or bust.
Waddle Dee
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There were some large-ass rats in cages in a part of RE5. Scared the piss out of me, lol.
Never could play DS because of them either.
Jawmuncher
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I wouldn't really see the issue so long as one of their reasons for liking MGSV was "I love how there is no story". The gameplay of V is amazing. Partly why I don't mind Survive being a weird spinoff.
Basketball
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im with you but im not with you
How About No
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I...can't for the life of me remember thatThere were some large-ass rats in cages in a part of RE5. Scared the piss out of me, lol.
Never could play DS because of them either.
Sure they weren't dogs or lickers lol
Survivor is...not a good game. Its boring to tears and any difficulty is due to bullshit with the slow mechanics itself
The cutscenes and acting are magnificent tho ahuhuhuhu~
Waddle Dee
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It's probably my 5th favorite game of all time. I've played through it dozens of times. Calling it a masterpiece would be an understatement.
AlexFlame116
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I'm fine with either one of them as long as it's really good.
Resident Evil VII biohazard is my favorite though.
Resident Evil VII biohazard is my favorite though.
Waddle Dee
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Positive lol.
Check out some of the cages in Chapter 5-1. At least a couple are giant rats and they're the only thing in Resident Evil's history that have scared me.
family_guy
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How About No
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So the part where they introduce the skinned quadropeds that can almost instantly critical you and you got startled by a rat in a cage
I guess lol
Son Of Sparda
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And that's a respectful mentality to have. My problem is with horror fans that just completely against action RE and their fans.
People should just come to realize that liking something doesn't make it the best thing ever, and disliking a game and its mechanics doesn't necessarily mean that they are inferior to other games that you like.
Unfortunately when it comes to RE, people simply love to shit on action RE because they don't like it and it's not the kind of game that they want.
Ragnar Blackmane
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Now for a completely earth shattering thought:
Maybe both horror centric AND action focused RESI games are good and both of them co-existing would be the best thing for the IP to keep it fresh, long-lived and strong?
This is coming from someone who played RE0, Remake, Outbreak 1 and 2, RE4, RE5, RE6, Revelations 1 and 2 and RE7, and enjoyed all of them, with RE4, Remake and RE7 being my favourites, with RE4 and RE6 having the best combat gameplay.
The constant super-aggressive cannibalism within the fanbase is annoying and detrimental for the the series. Wish people would stop constantly jumping at each other's throats and realize that both the horror and action centric games have their place: what counts is that we get good games, with individual titles each focusing on one of those aspects so we don't end up getting watered down experiences. Bad sales will only result in shrinking budgets for the follow up titles and the eventual death of the IP.
Maybe both horror centric AND action focused RESI games are good and both of them co-existing would be the best thing for the IP to keep it fresh, long-lived and strong?
This is coming from someone who played RE0, Remake, Outbreak 1 and 2, RE4, RE5, RE6, Revelations 1 and 2 and RE7, and enjoyed all of them, with RE4, Remake and RE7 being my favourites, with RE4 and RE6 having the best combat gameplay.
The constant super-aggressive cannibalism within the fanbase is annoying and detrimental for the the series. Wish people would stop constantly jumping at each other's throats and realize that both the horror and action centric games have their place: what counts is that we get good games, with individual titles each focusing on one of those aspects so we don't end up getting watered down experiences. Bad sales will only result in shrinking budgets for the follow up titles and the eventual death of the IP.
Waddle Dee
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You bet your ass I did!
How About No
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Jawmuncher
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Survivor is alright. The controls are clunky but it takes like 30 minutes to beat so it's not a big deal.
Both Rev2 and RE7 show that Capcom have learned their lesson when it comes to QTEs.
It's not only the action, what build up RE was the characters.
Capcom as an arcade company on his roots has put always a lot of effort in their character design, making strong and iconic playable characters, so people engage with them quickly, without even needing to know their story.
It's one of the companys with more iconic characters, and RE is no exception, everyone who has played RE games can recognize and love their main characters: Jill, Chris, Leon, ect...
In RE7 we also lost that, hell, you can't even see your own character... I think the horror approach was nice for a game, but they should have keep it as a spinoff, like the Dead Aim series or the Outbreak, but I suppose they needed it to be a numeric entry to boost the sales.
Anyway, yeah, I think the 3rd person, and action focused horror game is a better showcase for the characters and it's just the personal style of the series.
Capcom as an arcade company on his roots has put always a lot of effort in their character design, making strong and iconic playable characters, so people engage with them quickly, without even needing to know their story.
It's one of the companys with more iconic characters, and RE is no exception, everyone who has played RE games can recognize and love their main characters: Jill, Chris, Leon, ect...
In RE7 we also lost that, hell, you can't even see your own character... I think the horror approach was nice for a game, but they should have keep it as a spinoff, like the Dead Aim series or the Outbreak, but I suppose they needed it to be a numeric entry to boost the sales.
Anyway, yeah, I think the 3rd person, and action focused horror game is a better showcase for the characters and it's just the personal style of the series.
Main draw for me in 5 was the coop. Rev never matched that
Self_Destructive
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Nope. Survival horror Resident Evil is the best.
Kai Ozu
Member
Without Shinji Mikami the series is not that great. RE7 is fine, lacks interesting puzzles and good level design/enemy variety. Just not as good as the PS1/Gamecube era of games.
And they are still making the revelations series right? I don't think the TPS will go away from this series.
And they are still making the revelations series right? I don't think the TPS will go away from this series.
Looking forward to seeing how TEW2 stacks up next month.
How About No
Member
Deffo the best part of Survivor is that it ends.
But even then if feels like it drags. Most excruciating 45 mins of my life
Ahem, Jack Baker, son.
[Also Lucas to a lesser extent. Margie is just ok]
TheRazielim
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I liked RE7, but I actually think 1-3 and Code Veronica are superior to it. The last third is such a big letdown.
Waddle Dee
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Yep. A healthy stream of BOTH horror and action titles would be the best for the franchise. The RE franchise is a lot like the Sonic franchise, Both originally started off very strongly but ended up trying out new things down the line. Some fans loved these changes, some didn't. Some prefer Action RE/3D Sonic while others prefer Horror RE/Classic 2D Sonic. Some, like myself, like both and hope neither franchise caves into just becoming one thing. It's true that companies like Capcom and Sega have no one to blame but themselves for splitting their fanbases apart so heavily, but now they just have to deal with it.
Both companies made the mistake of splitting their fanbases up even further with stuff like RE7 and Sonic Boom, which both happened because the companies were misguided. If RE7 had more familiar faces, used fixed cameras, and didn't make the last third or so of the game so different, people would have been more open to it. Similarly, if Sonic Boom didn't take place in a new continuity and instead just used the existing character designs and gave fans a Sonic game/show with improved self-aware writing then fans of Sonic would also be on board.
Hopefully the remake of 2 will have the fixed camera style. That's the best route they could go with. Action RE fans would still be pleased as long as Capcom made another new action spinoff.
I liked it back when it came out, although I've no doubt it's aged horribly. Part of my enjoyment was that it was one of four games I owned to support my Guncon, and unlike the others it allowed for exploration.
Cipher Peon
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I played the original Resident Evil back in college and I loved every second of it. One of my favorite games of all time. Then I played Revelations on my 3DS and thought it was shockingly mediocre. Then 6 and The Evil Within and I hated them.
I thought "4 has to be it, right? The one that everyone loves and the one that proves that this formula could work?"
Then I played 4 and hated it, too. Hated its gameplay, controls, and tone.
So absolutely not for me. I thank my lucky stars Resident Evil 7 is the way it is and I hope every game continuing on is even moreso like that.
I thought "4 has to be it, right? The one that everyone loves and the one that proves that this formula could work?"
Then I played 4 and hated it, too. Hated its gameplay, controls, and tone.
So absolutely not for me. I thank my lucky stars Resident Evil 7 is the way it is and I hope every game continuing on is even moreso like that.
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