Gamezone
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We'll see. Leaks suggest that they will involve Steam in some way.
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Rumour: Microsoft preparing Xbox App and GamePass for Nintendo Switch
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We'll see. Leaks suggest that they will involve Steam in some way.
I think the reason why it's harder to accept Microsoft's cloud vision is because when it comes to consoles, the actual hardware is part of the identity [of a platform], whereas in the IT world people care less about what they are accessing Office, Windows etc on.
But yeah, it's not surprising to see them go in this direction when you look at the bigger picture outside of the Xbox division.
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ROMhack
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You've ruined mine now. Bloody hell.
Why would they involve Steam? Meaning, if they are running from a service either streaming, virtualized, or via an application layer like hinted at by Polaris - where does Steam come in?
I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm missing the point.
Yeah. As an IT professional, in some instances it makes sense for say Microsoft, Amazon, Google, RackSpace, etc to take the load off and manage the infrastructure and hardware, there can be benefits. The problem is, that doesn't make much sense on the consumer side of the house as much. Why do I need Microsoft to manage my Xbox in the Cloud? (which is really what we are talking about) Right now, all one has to do is spend 10 minutes setting it up, and turn it on when they want to use it. The benefits in enterprise/business don't really make sense, generally speaking on the consumer side, imo.
I think they are going to learn the hard way again, but they have deep pockets. I do find all of this very interesting as an observer though. (I appreciate everyone's patience with me, its kind of fun to see all this happen in real time)
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Windows Central is like the tech version of Comedy Central.
This is either pure paid PR or worse.
They need to keep the customer in the eco-system as all the services are not completed, duh. I have to laugh because all these articles kind to disregard that game streaming is a very mature technology but there is no real demand for it.
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
PlayStation Now says otherwise. To say there's no demand is crazy. To say there's no widespread demand, sure you could spin that, but streaming in every fashion other than games is crazy high. When Netflix launched streaming do you think people said there's no demand?
Personally, I think Microsoft's corporate IT approach in regard to the Xbox will not translate well in the gaming industry. Despite all the rhetoric put out by people such as Phil Spencer, it increasingly looks as if Microsoft’s bold cloud vision trumps everything. I think this is why some gamers end up feeling as if Microsoft isn't really as committed to making great games as, say, Sony or Nintendo is.
In the console arena, the distinctive hardware package, visual identity, and great exclusives matter a lot to many gamers. The various so-called console wars, for better or worse, are an indicator of this. I feel the remodelling of the Xbox platform as a service that is available on any device completely misses that.
I guess we will just have to see how things turn out.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
If it does.....it'll change gaming forever.
thelodius
Banned
It's not. I have contacts and know 100% this is BS. Nintendo and Sony will go nowhere near MS.
100% agree, its not the same business. Time will tell.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
Could you imagine a Zelda: Breath of the Wild port for the Xbox One X?
Pretty sure they'd be able to hit native 4k/60fps.
Fanboy mode
Sony does not release Playstation Now or Playstation Vue revenue numbers as a separate item, they don't even give subscription numbers either. They do give PSN Plus account subscriptions as they have quite a few of those. As far as Vue, its probably on deaths door.
https://www.multichannel.com/blog/sony-has-no-plans-shut-down-playstation-vue-report
There was a report in the Fall by a group that said they estimate revenue PS Now revenue at $140+m plus, but Sony does not give that information - so where did it come from? Made up.
There is a reason Sony stopped support for Bravia TVs, PS Vita, most of the phones ,etc - lack of demand for PS Now.
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/playstation-now-game-streaming-support,news-24475.html
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Oh by the way, there is demand for Netflix but only if the price is real low.... which is why Netflix continues to burn $2-4 billion per year, as do most of the streaming services. Game streaming is even more costly to run, you have to have heavy processing on the server side meaning more cycle and more electricity costs in addition to the normal streaming cost royalties and internet usage.
Streaming in today's world doesn't really generate profits not really - which is why Microsoft bailed on Groove Music (formerly Xbox Music) after well over a decade.
I stream from my PS4, it works okay (in a pinch) but its not ideal, I have no idea why someone would want to pay for it. Free cool, subscription -> shove it.
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DigitalScrap
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Do we still vet people who say things like this on NeoGAF? You don’t have to show us all the receipts if you don’t wish, but there was a time when Mods would vet such claims so we don’t end up with “my uncle works at Nintendo” type posts stating things definitively.
That said, I don’t believe the rumor as it is being stated. I DO think that we will see games being streamed to the Switch (including MS games) but to say that GamePass is coming to Switch seems like a bit of a stretch. Each publisher would have to agree with their games on GamePass being allowed to be streamed to the Switch, and I’m personally not sure that a lot of them would be open to this at the current time (unless things were changed with regards to how they are compensated for their properties being used in this manner).
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Could you imagine a Zelda: Breath of the Wild port for the Xbox One X?
Pretty sure they'd be able to hit native 4k/60fps.Fanboy mode
That would be sweet! But honestly I wouldn't expect their major franchises to come to Xbox if this were ever to happen. However there are some games that aren't Zelda or Mario that I really would want to play. Bayonetta 3, for example.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
That reminds me...this seems to be very similar to some earlier news regarding xbox live going to the switch. I made a thread about it that was merged with another. During that thread I was pretty certain that Gamepass would be going to switch.
I know this is still just rumor, but man...it's starting to look like my prediction was correct.
I know this is still just rumor, but man...it's starting to look like my prediction was correct.
iconmaster
Banned
I think the odds for that are fair even if this more extensive partnership doesn't come to pass.
Their Xbox Platform will be going to any viable device they can get it on, no different than Office (Office 365) on iOS or Android devices. Same thing. Over and over they keep saying what they are going to do, and they have been doing it for about 5-7 years now. Xbox is a Platform and they will bring that Platform to as many devices as possible that are viable.
https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-ceo-not-get-world-needed-third-ecosystem-phones/
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Jubenhimer
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I actually wouldn't mind something like this. Considering Nintendo is no longer a Direct competitor to Sony or Microsoft, having one of the big 2 collaborate with them can help give them a leg up. It opens Nintendo's product up to a bigger audience, and it let's Microsoft expand their ambitions for cloud streaming with a platform that's better suited to it than a phone. It's a Win-Win.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
You keep saying YOU have no idea why someone would pay for it. You don't represent the market.
And your Netflix argument isnt really an argument. They have plenty of people that spend more money on the 4k streaming options. People are willing to pay for something even if it's not the best as long as it "works". 4k streaming doesn't touch the quality of a 4k disc but people pay for it.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
You may be surprised to see that others were quick to say that Xbox Game Pass was not going to be part of this. Saying you wouldn't be playing Xbox games on the Switch. Seems like if this is true, then they were wrong.
Well, the market has already spoken a few times which is why the first and second round of game streaming companies went belly up., Sony barely talks about Now or Vue, Nvidia very little, etc. There is nothing new about this, which is why all these articles about xCloud are baffling, imo. (you're trying to hard)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_gaming
I have no argument on Netflix, they burn huge amounts of money per quarter which is really going on over a decade now - this is a known fact, nothing special about what they are doing, I've been able to stream music and movies from house since the early 2000s. Most of the other streaming companies are in similar boats - cash burning machines. Maybe one day there will be a business model to support all this, but as of right now - not so much.
You're not the market either.
Is there demand for movie and music streaming, yup, at a negative price to the streaming company i.e. Spotify, Netflix, etc. Is there demand for game streaming? Not really.
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Nikana,
Let's simplify this a little, maybe this will cut to the chase.
For 5+ years, Playstation 4 owners could stream from their own box remotely to play games, for FREE. For 4+ years, people could use the Playstation Now service and game stream, although the selection is slow to include PS4 titles there are like 650+ games there in various forms. But here is the thing, if you got rid of either one of those services I doubt most Playstation users would even care. For the record, I see nothing wrong per se for PS Now as an option, its just not an ideal solution. PS Remote Play is cool as well, but its just an extra features, not something to go all ape shit about. Just my take and I feel responsibly certain most PS users feel similar.
Here is the thing, if you thought it was so great you would have subscriptions today for game streaming services, my bet, you don't.
As far as I am concern, Microsoft is copying a failed business model, and that is okay, its not my money. Maybe that will change in the future, right now it looks like a disaster.
Let's simplify this a little, maybe this will cut to the chase.
For 5+ years, Playstation 4 owners could stream from their own box remotely to play games, for FREE. For 4+ years, people could use the Playstation Now service and game stream, although the selection is slow to include PS4 titles there are like 650+ games there in various forms. But here is the thing, if you got rid of either one of those services I doubt most Playstation users would even care. For the record, I see nothing wrong per se for PS Now as an option, its just not an ideal solution. PS Remote Play is cool as well, but its just an extra features, not something to go all ape shit about. Just my take and I feel responsibly certain most PS users feel similar.
Here is the thing, if you thought it was so great you would have subscriptions today for game streaming services, my bet, you don't.
As far as I am concern, Microsoft is copying a failed business model, and that is okay, its not my money. Maybe that will change in the future, right now it looks like a disaster.
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Gormless Noodle
Member
Yeah, you can use the classic controller with an undocked switch. Clearly you can't hold the Switch itself in your hands then though. Well...probably.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
It would benefit you to use verbage that doesn't come off so aggressive and non communative. It makes people not want to have conversations with you.
I never said that PlayStation now is successful or that it proves streaming is profitable.
My point is simply that there is demand for it. If there wasn't then they wouldn't have subscribers. Is it sustainable? Time will tell.
Streamings biggest hurdle is the same as any new type of tech. Marketing and how to get people to understand it and use it.
This is where xcloud seems to be different because they are targeting other gaming hardware in the switch. As well as their platform of windows and mobile devices. Sonys biggest issue is they don't educate anybody about Now, but they STILL get subscribers.
Sorry, if I sound aggressive, its text form and that comes off poorly sometimes. My apology if that is the case. There isn't enough demand at the price point to make it viable long-term, at least that is what has been shown over the last decade. The tech is not new, heck, I've been streaming my own music/movies from my own home servers since the early 2000s, at work since the late 90s.
PS Now use to target Windows, TVs, Vita, Vita TV, PS3, PS4, some phones, etc. -> now only Windows and PS4 No or limited demand.
Here is PS Remote Play on just about everything. LOL Its a nice feature but most PS users aren't giving up their PS for remote only streaming.
Look, its an option, its just not a widely used option, remote play is a nice feature but if they ditched it... I doubt anyone throws up an alarm bells.
I use remote play occasional, I even tried PS Now during the beta, its fine, its just not ideal for most gamers, imo.
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woigemok
Banned
Nintendo isn't that stupid to release their high caliber games like TLOZ, Mario 3ds, Smash, Pokemon and etc on Xbox since Nintendo Switch is the fastest selling console in this generation and about to outsell XB1 in this Q2 or Q3.
TLOZ is one of the highest rated game in this generation and sold over 13.5 million copies
SMO is one of the highest rated game in this generation and sold over 13.7 million copies
Smash Ultimate is the highest rated fighting game in this generation and the fastest selling exclusive of all times 12.08 million copies in 24 days
MK8D is one of the highest rated racing game in this generation and highest selling racing game in this generation 15.02 million copies
Pokemon Let's Go is the fastest selling JRPG in this generation with 10 million copies sold under 2 months
Nothing from Sony and Microsoft came close to that level.
The deal is probably to let Microsoft run their services on Switch and in returns Nintendo wanted XB1 games to be ported to Switch.
TLOZ is one of the highest rated game in this generation and sold over 13.5 million copies
SMO is one of the highest rated game in this generation and sold over 13.7 million copies
Smash Ultimate is the highest rated fighting game in this generation and the fastest selling exclusive of all times 12.08 million copies in 24 days
MK8D is one of the highest rated racing game in this generation and highest selling racing game in this generation 15.02 million copies
Pokemon Let's Go is the fastest selling JRPG in this generation with 10 million copies sold under 2 months
Nothing from Sony and Microsoft came close to that level.
The deal is probably to let Microsoft run their services on Switch and in returns Nintendo wanted XB1 games to be ported to Switch.
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Nikana,
One other thing, not sure about GeForce, but for Playstation Now you can get a 7-day free trial. Give it a go, its not my thing but maybe it will be your thing.
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/playstation-now/
Give it a go and let me know, you are right when you say "I am not the market". (I think all of this is coming to a head)
One other thing, not sure about GeForce, but for Playstation Now you can get a 7-day free trial. Give it a go, its not my thing but maybe it will be your thing.
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/playstation-now/
Give it a go and let me know, you are right when you say "I am not the market". (I think all of this is coming to a head)
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benjohn
Member
To be honest I think this is the beginning of the end to Xbox as a console and Xbox culture in general. You may argue that its a good financial decision for Microsoft (I'd agree) but it also doesn't take away from the fact that if true, Xbox'd be rendered irrelevant. Especially if Microsoft continues to push its software to more and more platforms and eventually PlayStation
12Dannu123
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Or it could lead to the dominance of Xbox beyond consoles? There's more to gain in the future vs a stagnating declining console market. If Xbox platform has 100 Million users but only 30 Million consoles vs 90 Million PS5 consoles and 10 Million PSNow users. Developers will pick the Xbox platform as a result because there's much more potential there.
The ONLY reason why Sony isn't going this path is because they and everyone else knows that Sony has no resources to compete against giants like MS, Amazon and Google, especially in a space that is dominated by Cloud.
Or it could lead to the dominance of Xbox beyond consoles? There's more to gain in the future vs a stagnating declining console market. If Xbox platform has 100 Million users but only 30 Million consoles vs 90 Million PS5 consoles and 10 Million PSNow users. Developers will pick the Xbox platform as a result because there's much more potential there.
The ONLY reason why Sony isn't going this path is because they and everyone else knows that Sony has no resources to compete against giants like MS, Amazon and Google, especially in a space that is dominated by Cloud.
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benjohn
Member
I'm specifically talking about Xbox as a console not as a service. I even mentioned that financially it makes sense
12Dannu123
Member
Xbox consoles and Xbox culture would still be there, the only thing that will likely die off is console warring. It's a hard reality check for a lot of console war fans
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I'm so confused, Playstation Now is available today on nearly a billion Windows PCs.
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benjohn
Member
That's quite an assumption. Console wars never die. That's for sure
But Xbox hardware, that's another story. Only time will tell
12Dannu123
Member
Except Sony doesn't treat PSNow as a priority and likely has no plans to expand PSNow to more devices? Plus limited to a limited number of countries where Sony has servers while also being that no good third party games actually use the service. Compared to Game Pass where we see good quality third parties and day 1 first party games come to the service, while also XCloud allowing users to play their digitally owned games anywhere.
That's quite an assumption. Console wars never die. That's for sure
Let my rephrase that, Consoles wars will likely be eroded as Google, Amazon introduces consoles and a streaming service like Microsoft. I predict Sony fans will likely face a hard reality check when Sony also follows suit.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Again, you're speaking about things you currently do not know. PS Now works and it has proven to be the case. You're literally saying they will not and cannot improve their cloud tech and that's a very ignorant approach to take.
What you also fail to realize is that PS now is on PC and rumored to be expanding to other decides. I know you're excited for xCloud, but at least be reasonable.
benjohn
Member
But how? With making your games available on anything under the sun you cannot convince people to buy your console. There's a reason console manufacturers are so protective about their 1th party games. I just can't make sense of your line of reasoning
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Again, your post is literally filled with nonsense. It's like pushing some fanboy agenda. lol
Amazon and Google introducing consoles?
Some how you think this will be huge, but they have yet to show or even release a huge first party title. You know, they need this to make make their console successful, right? Sony obviously wants PS Now on multiple decides and it will be a bad business move if they just decided to just to stick with PlayStation and PC platforms.
Technology advances and to say they Sony will remain in the same position as far as cloud tech goes is just ridiculous. And having game pass first party games give them a huge advantage? What makes you think that others cannot have this same approach?
Because... there is no demand, they scaled back their supported devices because nobody was using it in the countries and devices it was available on. Last time I check 1 billion devices is a lot more then 0. Heck, Nvidia GeForce (beta) is available on more than that even. Let's say I am complete wrong, meaning game streaming goes mainstream. What happens next EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc. start their own streaming service and take all their games off of competitors services. Ubisoft already said they were looking at it.
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Jigsaah
Gold Member
Hi, how do you double like something. I don't see a button for that
Breakfast at Noon
Member
If everyone is excited for this, just remember that PSNOW is a thing anf it's fucking wank to stream.
Streaming is not ready.
Streaming is not ready.
Xbox fan 2014: Game streaming sucks, Playstation Now sucks.
Everyone else: Yeah, game streaming isn't ideal, but its an option but will probably not make it.
Xbox fan 2019: Microsoft is going to game streaming services, yeah, great for the world, amazing!
Everyone else: I thought game streaming sucked?
Everyone else: Do you have a subscription to a game streaming service? If no, why not?
Xbox fan 2019: Console warrior!
Seriously, I can't even imagine the marketing budget for all this.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I'm having flashbacks of 2015
Sony doesn't have anything to compete with DirectX12 and the Cloud. Nintendo Wii U games are coming to the Xbox. You will be able to Stream steam games on Xbox One. Yes, these were things that I've heard. People need to stop hyping things up and claiming that the competition is done well before anything actually happens.
Sony doesn't have anything to compete with DirectX12 and the Cloud. Nintendo Wii U games are coming to the Xbox. You will be able to Stream steam games on Xbox One. Yes, these were things that I've heard. People need to stop hyping things up and claiming that the competition is done well before anything actually happens.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Maybe this rumored partnership is why Reggie retired?