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So much jp smut/fanservice games are localized in recent years, what changed?
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Crash Station
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Tales of Xillia 2 is supposedly REALLY good, so there's that. Not much else I guess.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I hope it is considering I had to force myself to finish Xillia.
TitS Second Chapter is coming out this year too!
SonyToo!™
Member
Merch will have played a part. A Raiden fuck pillow will never sell as much as a loli with big tits.
I bet Japan has the lowest rate of carpel tunnel and other RSI's given all those mouse mats
I bet Japan has the lowest rate of carpel tunnel and other RSI's given all those mouse mats
If you're not joking, I don't think it will ever happen. Especially with an English dub. There is a ton of unique text and voice in the game. Additionally, Love Plus might be on its last legs in Japan. The newest game didn't sell well, especially compared to the others in the series. The mobile phone game is being shut down. I bought the newest release and I'm enjoying it, but they really haven't added anything meaningful to the series since the second game on the DS.
TheBryanJZX90
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Just a gut reaction to people ok with the idea of 8 year old girls walking around in bikini bondage outfits, even if really they're 8000 year old demons.
Also general disappointment with the turn the Japanese industry is taking toward the otaku market as their market shrinks overall. I agree that these games always existed, but now they're almost all that is left.
Ragingnight
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what?
Also I don't really have an issue with etna. Anime drawings don't look anything like a normal human being. I generally don't care either way.
whiteninja
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Whats happening in japan is just what I think is gonna happen elsewhere in the future. Except the "fanservice" (I seriously fucking hate that word) Will be more depictions of violence and such to entice people as games continue to become more expensive to make and less studios are around to make anything.
The rest will live (and die) making mobile stuff
What's creepy is watching someone's eye being gouged out in Dead space, not what someone thinks about the age of a cartoon character.
The rest will live (and die) making mobile stuff
What's creepy is watching someone's eye being gouged out in Dead space, not what someone thinks about the age of a cartoon character.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I'm not so sure about that one.
I don't find myself creeped out by fanservice, although I don't like it when it creeps into series that didn't have it before. If it is something new then feel free to do whatever with it.
Lolis are a bit different, pretty much a case by case basis. Ones like this make me feel uncomfortable and make me want to stay away from the games they are in:
I also really don't like EO4s infamous dancer design, but at least that is easy to avoid and the game is good.
Someone like Etna is fine though. Not because of the "actually a 1000 year old demon" aspect either, not sure I can put a finger on it.
Lolis are a bit different, pretty much a case by case basis. Ones like this make me feel uncomfortable and make me want to stay away from the games they are in:
Conception II. A bit weird, given that it's supposed to be the player's kid and all.
I also really don't like EO4s infamous dancer design, but at least that is easy to avoid and the game is good.
Someone like Etna is fine though. Not because of the "actually a 1000 year old demon" aspect either, not sure I can put a finger on it.
chickdigger802
Banned
Here is a question, if a sequel to your favorite jrpg of your past is announced with the same Devs and improved gameplay but it stars lolis in micro bikinis or w/e freaks you out.
Would you play it still?
Would you play it still?
SenatorBot
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How about Oreshika?
Speaking of Oreshika, how do most of you feel about this game? Is it smutty/fanservice because it features having children?
http://youtu.be/ta0ZUyEYhWw
TheBryanJZX90
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I agree, fetishizing violence is bad and also creepy. Fetishizing 8 year olds is worse.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Me? Sorry but no. That stuff is just really offputting to me. Hell, even fanservice I just find patronizing most of the time, I'm not a huge fan of what they did in Fire Emblem (although most of that was in DLC so I didn't care that much)
Ragingnight
Member
if it creeps me out then I won't play? I think the question answers itself.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Oooh is that announced for the west?
If it creeps me out I can't play it.
zeopower6
Member
Yeah, we're getting ... the sequel(?) I think. It was announced alongside Freedom Wars and Soul Sacrifice Delta.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I'd be pretty mad if Chrono Break came out and it was like that, if anything.
theangrypirate
Member
Pretty much this. It amazes me how some people have issues with fan service games but don't think twice about pulling off headshots and driving cars through sidewalks full of pedestrians.
I just wish the localization would cone more early in a consoles lifespan. I'm not really buying stuff for my ps3 anymore...
SenatorBot
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Yes, coming out this year.
Is there anything explicit in these games? These publishers aim specifically to bring over niche games, so that doesn't seem baffling at all.
If we can get games like 50 Cent Bulletproof, we can get those weird, niche games too.
What correlates to armor value in the game? Bigger and bigger chains?
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Depends, gimme some Takehito Harada, Mel Kishida, or Hidara and I'll buy anything.
D=<
I consider myself really picky when it comes to games and yet I always find some quality JRPG's to play.
zeopower6
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Weirdly, I think they gave it a lower age rating than it got in Japan lol
Maybe it's because it's digital only here?
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
No, it looks fantastic.
A LOT of it boils down to aesthetics. This is an example of how to do it right.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Its possible to have good games at any level of graphical fidelity. But what those graphics represent is an entirely separate issue. For me personally graphical quality is not a huge factor, but artistic design absolutely is.
There is a difference between graphical fidelity and character designs.
Give me an ugly game about pixilated rectangles and I wouldn't give a shit, but I might care if you throw sexualised lolis into it everywhere.
Spring-Loaded
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TheBryanJZX90
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Read neojaponisme.com. Some really interesting stuff about how Japanese pop culture has contracted in on itself over the past decade, and the rise of otaku culture as more mainstream cultural consumption wanes.
edit: here is a link: http://neojaponisme.com/2011/11/28/the-great-shift-in-japanese-pop-culture-part-one/
I still think the best localization thing ever was with Cho Aniki for the PSP in the USA.
That logo.
took me a few glances to realize....
TC McQueen
Member
I dunno man, as bad as the glorification of violence can get with those games, I'd say Japanese games sexualizing underage girls is worse, especially since it's so fucking prevalent in their media.
Solid Samus
Banned
Because the glorification of violence isnt prevalent in western media? Particularly mainstream western media? Then again theres as much evidence that shooting someone in the head in GTA will make you go out and kill someone as there is that finding some magic panties in PedoBait 2014 will make you got out and bang an 8 year old.
HolyBaikal
Banned
Rape is a kind of violence. And I'm very uncomfortable with pretty much anything which promotes unequal relationships, whether it is age or maturity or money or experience or things like that. I don't like violence or disturbing things in general.
It's sad that it's hard to go online or be entertained without seeing horrible and terrible and disturbing things. I don't like violence, especially disturbing violence. Or mean things. I don't like seeing people suffer or be taken advantage of. And there are lots of awful things I wish I had never seen, and never want to see again. And some of them exist in video games.
Sexuality is nice, but not all sexuality is nice. I love anime, but this is also true of anime. I don't watch extremely violent anime and I don't watch anime with sexual violence either, though I've made some occasional exceptions if it isn't too much or too often. Higurashi no Naku Koro ni contains awful violence, but it also has a cute and heartwarming story.
I don't think that being cute is the same as being a child, though. And even less so is being androgynous the same as being a child. I really don't like it when people act like people with flat chests or other androgynous features are children.
I think that sexualizing innocence is bad. But I think it's best to explain why something is a problem that just calling it creepy. There are important discussions to be had about drawing the line between moral and not so moral sexuality. Where sexual feelings come from, and whether they're predatory or not.
Sexuality is wonderful, but I think it's something that should be empathetic rather than sadistic. And sexuality is often used to marginalize and threaten and harm people and rape culture is a problem.
It's sad that it's hard to go online or be entertained without seeing horrible and terrible and disturbing things. I don't like violence, especially disturbing violence. Or mean things. I don't like seeing people suffer or be taken advantage of. And there are lots of awful things I wish I had never seen, and never want to see again. And some of them exist in video games.
Sexuality is nice, but not all sexuality is nice. I love anime, but this is also true of anime. I don't watch extremely violent anime and I don't watch anime with sexual violence either, though I've made some occasional exceptions if it isn't too much or too often. Higurashi no Naku Koro ni contains awful violence, but it also has a cute and heartwarming story.
I don't think that being cute is the same as being a child, though. And even less so is being androgynous the same as being a child. I really don't like it when people act like people with flat chests or other androgynous features are children.
I think that sexualizing innocence is bad. But I think it's best to explain why something is a problem that just calling it creepy. There are important discussions to be had about drawing the line between moral and not so moral sexuality. Where sexual feelings come from, and whether they're predatory or not.
Sexuality is wonderful, but I think it's something that should be empathetic rather than sadistic. And sexuality is often used to marginalize and threaten and harm people and rape culture is a problem.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
This is usually the tack that I tend to take. I have a pretty big problem with what I call "innocence fetishism", but I think that its not the same thing as pedophillia, people who enjoy it aren't pedophiles, and the word just gets used as an inaccurate slur.
TC McQueen
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I think the reason why innocence fetishism is associated with pedophilia (at least in the context of anime/Japanese media) is because loli/shota characters (who either are or look like prepubescent children) are usually the ones getting that sort of treatment.
it's weird, japanese media is so hyper-sexualized and yet things like rape are much less common over there. it's almost as if people are somehow able to distinguish between fantasy and reality or something. or like puritanical belief systems are bone-headed and wrong. weird.
Pretty sure I've read in a few different reputable places that reported cases of rape may be lower but that the figures arent very accurate.
while i agree with a lot of your post i take issue with this because i feel it's misrepresenting the problem myself and others have with anime and anime games
there is a huge proportion of media coming out of japan that is explicitly and entirely about schoolchildren, and in almost every single case the girls in it are portrayed as sexy
that's the shit i don't like. the fantasy stuff is creepy in fire emblem or disgaea with the ancient dragons and demons who look like 12 year old girls, but mainly i am really bothered by the deliberately sexualized schoolgirls.
Yup. Pedophilia is truly disturbing. Calling highly stylized drawings out as even remotely similar is misguided. Call it strange or creepy if you want, but it's not even in the same universe as existing child exploitation.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Honestly while that's part of it for me, I'm also basically over the entire Japanese media obsession with high-school in general
While I'm a fan of Japanese entertainment, I'd kill for more shows and games that deal with a wide age range. Catherine was really refreshing for it.
I'd really like to see more college or post-college stuff as well, but considering that the target audience in the country of origin for a lot of it is in secondary school it probably works better for self insertion (ooh er)
chaobreaker
Member
I blame this game for opening the floodgates for more obscure Japanese pantsu games.
It pretty much the perfect example of the type of Japanese games that come over here now.
- Wacky humor you only see on late night anime shows in Japan
- Liberal use of anime tropes and references
- Gameplay is a derivative of classic games of old but turned up to 11
- Character design that is questionable at best, scandalous at worst (how old is Etna? 1470 years old? Suuuuuure)
- Developed by either NIS, Gust, or Idea Factory.
It pretty much the perfect example of the type of Japanese games that come over here now.
- Wacky humor you only see on late night anime shows in Japan
- Liberal use of anime tropes and references
- Gameplay is a derivative of classic games of old but turned up to 11
- Character design that is questionable at best, scandalous at worst (how old is Etna? 1470 years old? Suuuuuure)
- Developed by either NIS, Gust, or Idea Factory.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I blame this game for opening the floodgates for more obscure Japanese pantsu games.
It pretty much the perfect example of the type of Japanese games that come over here now.
- Wacky humor you only see on late night anime shows in Japan
- Liberal use of anime tropes and references
- Gameplay is a derivative of older Japanese games but turned up to 11
- Character design that is questionable at best, scandalous at worst (how old is Etna?)
- Developed by either NIS, Gust, or Idea Factory.
That definitely got it rolling, but I think Persona 3 and 4 pushed it harder.
The target audience for much of that stuff is the same age as the characters being sexualized, and the age of consent is also different over there. Most anime and JRPGs etc. are designed with the Japanese in mind, the west isn't really taken into consideration.
TC McQueen
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I think a large chunk of anime fans outside of Japan hate the high school obsession Japan has. Unfortunately, unless something is made with the non-Japanese market in mind or a studio takes a huge risk, Japanese media executives will keep making stuff about high school because someone somewhere will buy it.
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