Even as someone who loves the PS4, I am in constant shock of its market dominance. Sony read the market so much better than they did last gen.
Even as someone who loves the PS4, I am in constant shock of its market dominance. Sony read the market so much better than they did last gen.
The digital ecosystem is exactly why I think Sony will have BC next gen, especially since now they're doing iterative models. It'll also help them leverage their market position from this gen into success next gen. People won't want to lose their libraries.
I also suspect publishers will be putting some pressure on them for continued sales of catalogue games.
Service games are also a big deal and not being able to play them on the next console at launch would be a huge blow to their library out of the gate.
why do so many here consider BC only as the ability to play old nostalgia games on the current gen console?
this is the current state, but this will change with the next generation
Overwatch, Read Dead Redemption 2, Destiny 2, Minecraft and all the other evergreen titel
BC is even more crucial for publisher than platformholder in todays business environment
and they won't like when the revenue from those titels will go down in 3 years just because you can't play the game anymore on your PS5.
If you don't and can't play the game anymore, you also don't and can't spend money on it anymore.
Nirolak posted the picture of publisher profitability dip when a new gen arrives.
that explains it perfectly. They don't want to have that happen ever again
Will PS2 ever be beaten?
All hail The Old King.
How far behind is the Xbox 1 ? I can't find any numbers for that system.
How far behind is the Xbox 1 ? I can't find any numbers for that system.
You won't find them because Microsoft refuses to publish them so at best your going by find estimates.How far behind is the Xbox 1 ? I can't find any numbers for that system.
BC is nice to have but it's not a deal breaker for me or the people i know .
Plus if i like a game so much i want a remaster version of it .
Publishers don't always want to put in money and effort to remaster games just because the publisher doesn't support their software.
Will PS2 ever be beaten?
All hail The Old King.
BC is even more crucial for publisher than platformholder in todays business environment
and they won't like when the revenue from those titels will go down in 3 years just because you can't play the game anymore on your PS5.
If you don't and can't play the game anymore, you also don't and can't spend money on it anymore.
BC is even more crucial for publisher than platformholder in todays business environment
and they won't like when the revenue from those titels will go down in 3 years just because you can't play the game anymore on your PS5.
Listen to this man, people!
It's accessible via regular ds4 as well. Played through the entirety of it with my ex gf.
Few? Gravity Rush 2, NiOh, Horizon, two KH collection, tales of berseria, Yakuza 0 and MLB 17.
It was pretty busy to me.
Few?
Locoroco,crash,wipeout,uncharted,yakuza kiwami,everybody's golf,nex machina.
I can't take no more man
I don't think you need to worry about this, you can clearly see the trend we are transitioning too is taking your entire game library with you when a new generation comes out.
Pretty muchwhy do so many here consider BC only as the ability to play old nostalgia games on the current gen console?
this is the current state, but this will change with the next generation
Overwatch, Read Dead Redemption 2, Destiny 2, Minecraft and all the other evergreen titel
BC is even more crucial for publisher than platformholder in todays business environment
and they won't like when the revenue from those titels will go down in 3 years just because you can't play the game anymore on your PS5.
If you don't and can't play the game anymore, you also don't and can't spend money on it anymore.
Nirolak posted the picture of publisher profitability dip when a new gen arrives.
that explains it perfectly. They don't want to have that happen ever again
I think he meant "few" as to say "a few" i.e. "some".
He said "a few", meaning " some"...
Wait, is this some kind of running joke?
Aside from Overwatch you're completely wrong. Rockstar would pretty much love if you bought Red Dead Redemption 2 for the PS5 again instead of BC, same with Destiny.
R* already did that this gen. Twice (counting the pc port)
Pretty much
But I don't even know why this is being brought up. There is 0% chance PS5 isn't BC, especially since the next Xbox is guaranteed to be BC with 360 and XB1.
Steamspy is from what I'm aware normally pretty accurate in terms of units - most developers seem to note around 10% or so out.Steamspy estimates are very good.
even with a 10 or 15% margin of error (i highly doubt it's that big), you still have a pretty good understanding of the game sales on steam
people just need to be aware that those numbers are estimates and not reported numbers from the company itself. but that was said.
we know steam is not making only $2bn a year. and we know steam is also not making $5bn or more. that is at least something
very likely
only way Sony won't hit 100m is to start a next gen early, that is well received and priced like the Ps4 and will kill last gen sales quickly like it happend with Ps3
but why would they do that and hurt their profitability?
To be fair the PS2 didn't have the luxury of having simultaneous worldwide launch.
I'd say nothing is quite a given. I hope for BC, but if it turned out to compromise the next design in some significant way - specifically in terms of PS5 game performance at a given price point - Sony might sacrifice it. I think that's less likely to be necessary than it was in the PS3->PS4 transition, but I wouldn't rule it out entirely yet,
That's not how it would work (in theory).I don't think Sony will be assed to add BC to the PS5 when they can't even add PS1 (which even the PSP has) and PS2 BC to the PS4.
I don't think Sony will be assed to add BC to the PS5 when they can't even add PS1 (which even the PSP has) and PS2 BC to the PS4.
What new consoles have we seen this trend?
Given an estimated 16.5m for XB1 and 18m for PS4 in US, one way to do a WW estimate is to apply a US (NPD) vs rest of the world market composition.How far behind is the Xbox 1 ? I can't find any numbers for that system.
Given an estimated 16.5m for XB1 and 18m for PS4 in US, one way to do a WW estimate is to apply a US (NPD) vs rest of the world market composition.
It is estimated (emphasis estimated) that US represents between 55% and 60% of the market for XB1, and around 30% for PS4.
18m is exactly 30% of 60m (but it's an estimate anyway, we have sold through vs shipped here), so it's probably close for PS4 at least.
For XB1, if the US is 55% (best case scenario) we have 30m sold through, but if 60% of the WW sold XB1s are sold in the US it means they have a ww sold through of 27.5m units.
What's the cost floor on a Ps4? Say one with no blue ray drive?
Those US numbers can't be right. We know PS4 has surpassed X1 by 2 million as of March. What blows my mind is they sold nearly as many PS4s last year as XB1 LTD.Given an estimated 16.5m for XB1 and 18m for PS4 in US, one way to do a WW estimate is to apply a US (NPD) vs rest of the world market composition.
It is estimated (emphasis estimated) that US represents between 55% and 60% of the market for XB1, and around 30% for PS4.
18m is exactly 30% of 60m (but it's an estimate anyway, we have sold through vs shipped here), so it's probably close for PS4 at least.
For XB1, if the US is 55% (best case scenario) we have 30m sold through, but if 60% of the WW sold XB1s are sold in the US it means they have a ww sold through of 27.5m units.
Those US numbers can't be right. We know PS4 has surpassed X1 by 2 million as of March. What blows my mind is they sold nearly as many PS4s last year as XB1 LTD.
Still beasting. Well deserved.
Once it drops to $199 range, shit is going to pop off.
I don't have the latest figure in, but it's between the two.Launch aligned, is it still on pace with PS2 and Wii or has it fallen behind?
PS4 is around 18.5m in US... the gap is actually really close to 2m.Given an estimated 16.5m for XB1 and 18m for PS4 in US, one way to do a WW estimate is to apply a US (NPD) vs rest of the world market composition.
It is estimated (emphasis estimated) that US represents between 55% and 60% of the market for XB1, and around 30% for PS4.
18m is exactly 30% of 60m (but it's an estimate anyway, we have sold through vs shipped here), so it's probably close for PS4 at least.
For XB1, if the US is 55% (best case scenario) we have 30m sold through, but if 60% of the WW sold XB1s are sold in the US it means they have a ww sold through of 27.5m units.
Being at work I don't have the numbers at handThose US numbers can't be right. We know PS4 has surpassed X1 by 2 million as of March. What blows my mind is they sold nearly as many PS4s last year as XB1 LTD.
Even more impressive when you see how far the japanese console market has fallen.
Those US numbers can't be right. We know PS4 has surpassed X1 by 2 million as of March. What blows my mind is they sold nearly as many PS4s last year as XB1 LTD.