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Super Mario Maker: Not all tools available from the start, unlock over 9 days
- Thread starter ElectricBlanketFire
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SporeCrawler
Member
makes sense as there will be some sort of progression in the game and you will have something to look forward to. also it would be overwhelming to have all the tools at once. 9 days isnt really that much too.
I think the idea is that everyone will learn the pieces as they go and build content using them, so everyone just doesn't go straight for giant kuribo shoes. Level editors tend to work out better when you introduce parts of them in sequence than throw people in the deep end.
They probably did this versus you having to go unlock the pieces via the built in levels.
If it really bothers you, just set your Wii U a week ahead in time.
This isn't the first time this has been done, nor was that first time done by Nintendo. It's just a different method of gating content, like every video game, ever.
They probably did this versus you having to go unlock the pieces via the built in levels.
If it really bothers you, just set your Wii U a week ahead in time.
This isn't the first time this has been done, nor was that first time done by Nintendo. It's just a different method of gating content, like every video game, ever.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
Dude, relax. It's 9 days and the whole point is to get you used to how everything works. As others have pointed out, Splatoon had a similar design feature.
It's still dumb, but I get why they are doing it.
I don't think it works that way.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Why should we assume the number of stupid/poorly designed levels will be significantly decreased with a slow rollout?
TheXfactor
Member
what if you dont have play and skill and is just not good at games? what may take someone 2 days to beat could take another 30 days or more.
Do i think mario maker should lock things? no, but things based on a skill lock where i have to beat the single player is even more dumb to me because you really have no idea how long it could take. at least with mario maker, its going to be 9 days no matter what.
personally, i dont like when games lock things in where you either have to wait an amount of time, or have to beat a single player. I didn't want to ave to beat the single in call of duty world at war to get the zombie mode, but i had to(eventually they just updated where you dont have to). Games should be based on at least a tutorial level, not actually having to beat a mode and having to play a certain amount of matches.
And I didn't buy Splatoon because of it either.
Nintendo needs to start accepting that somehow, against all odds, fully functioning adults like to play their games before I continue to support them.
A Link to the Past
Banned
LBP is super streamlined. You don't have lives, you have lots of checkpoints, the game is plenty forgiving, etc. The major point of LBP is pretty much "eh just have fun". You don't even need that much skill.
You're missing out on a great competitive game.
your loss. keep up the good fight against (undetermined practice).
Doesn't seem that bad.
Edit: also can't people just change their time settings to unlock everything at once?
EatinOlives
Member
I don't see how it's any better than making you design and beat a level with the previous "tier" (the stuff you currently unlock each day) of assets. That lets you learn things at your own pace, and if you're a fast learner you can unlock everything in day.
Forcing everyone into the same unlock times regardless of how fast they learn is a very unsophisticated solution. They could've made a more dynamic unlock system that would've let people learn the game at their own pace instead of demanding everyone march to the same beat.
timetokill
Banned
Wow, you missed out big-time.
Laws00
Member
what feature did Splatoon do that you had to wait?
I already know how everything works, because I've been playing Super Mario Brothers titles since 1985.
How do you expect people to make good courses when they aren't familiar with that game's engine quirks and gameplay?
Like I said, other editor centric games gate off level creation pieces to ensure players actually understand the game and base concepts before throwing them in the deep end and souring themselves on the game because they're using mechanics out of context.
They're not blocking off content you paid for, they're basically doing something like GT's license test to make sure you understood how a car worked before using it regularly, rather than taking the highest end car, crashing it into a wall, and going "THESE CONTROLS SUCK"
Corronchilejano
Member
Do you also get mad when a game asks you to do certain things to unlock secret characters/stages/features?
And I'm pretty sure Super Mario level editors have existed for a while now, eh.
The Wheel of Fortune
Member
I hope reviews crush them for doing this. This is a dumb practice that should be erradicated from the industry as soon as possible.
So locking out content because you didn't buy six different copies of the same game from different stores is not as bad as all content being in the game but you have to wait to unlock it? Wow.
It's existed since games could keep track of the time.
You have to hit Level 10, but had to wait until a certain number of people hit said level before Ranked Mode would unlock.
It just pisses me off that you can't make this:
Slopes...
And that's where updates come in.
Laws00
Member
A game asking me to do something to access content is fine (though, to be honest, I never play any "progression" based multiplayer games and think that's awful design nearly every time), this isn't making you perform any task. "Wait" is not a task to complete, it doesn't make you show any skill or understanding. It's just making you wait.
This is basically the same way Animal Crossing gated features as well. You were supposed to play a bit each day, and they would slowly unlock new features and townspeople as you went, instead of trying to cram everything into your brain at once.
Maybe people only notice gating when it's a bit more up front like this.
Maybe people only notice gating when it's a bit more up front like this.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
I expect people who are familiar with the game's engine and quirks to make horrendous levels.
Do you think you're not going to get a million shitty levels regardless?
It's only a problem if you play non-stop.
EatinOlives
Member
Animal Crossing has always been about "playing a bit each day". Additional things happen on a day-to-day basis because the game's internal clock and keeping track of the day of the year along with daytime/nighttime/season and making events happen depending on what value all of these are is integral to making the world feel "lived-in" and alive on its own. Gameplay features are unlocked along this same scheme to make people come back a little bit each day to let people experience that world progression.
Mario Maker is a level editor.
Davey Cakes
Member
I honestly think you're overreacting here.
These are fun games and Nintendo's approach to content hasn't made that negative of an impact. Splatoon in particular has actually been rewarding because you get to keep coming back to new content again and again.
Nintendo's decisions about trickling out content don't harm the games enough to warrant you not playing them, unless you never really wanted to play them that much in the first place.
That said, the better approach would have been to maybe lock content some other way. Like, once the person makes enough levels they unlock more options. That way you're getting acclimated purely by design rather than by some arbitrary amount of days.
Because the dissent here isnt that the content is being trickle out, or locked, its how its implemented.
Im sure 99% would be fine with a task-based, or skill-based unlock system.
An arbitrary time-based system makes know sense
The system they are using wont stop that from happening, sooo.....
TheSlySoul
Member
It will be 9 million shitty levels because the levels will be multiplied by 9.
It's only a problem if you have a brain that can comprehend super complex Mario maker concepts like "climbable vines" and boos without a week of thinking about it.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Exactly.
Lord British
Member
I honestly think this is pretty smart.
Exactly. This seems like a crazy thing to get upset about.
SoundPulse
Banned
I really don't get the point. You want to ease people in so they don't get overwhelmed? Then make it a bloody option. You could even build something of a tutorial around it.
Just don't punish the people who would be just fine if they were given the full toolset at the word go by forcing them to wait an arbitrary amount of time until they can do what they want.
Just don't punish the people who would be just fine if they were given the full toolset at the word go by forcing them to wait an arbitrary amount of time until they can do what they want.
Hate to throw fuel on the fire, but after rewatching the trailer, the Sound FX Frog doesn't seem to unlock until Day 7, but does seem to be an instantaneous unlock as opposed to the day wait:
Themes are also unlockable, though from what I can tell, nothing is shown as to how long you have to play/when they're unlocked.
Coffee Dog
Banned
No thwomps or firebars till day 4, fucking lol.
I've played mario, nintendo. I know what I want to do here.
I've played mario, nintendo. I know what I want to do here.
Corronchilejano
Member
No one defends it, it's stupid (IMO). But to call for the game to tank because of a dumb feature is absurd.
TheSlySoul
Member
I am pretty sure Nintendo could do anything and get a defense force.
Heck, people have defended NoA's buffoonery countless times.
Locking doors/p-switch/vines for Day 6 is plain stupid.
Honestly I would prefer it if it unlocked content based on play-time. 1 hour per set would be fine.
Davey Cakes
Member
Level editors sound REALLY fun on paper but can be daunting once you actually boot them up. You have all these ideas but just too many options.
This is the first level editor of this scale that Nintendo has made, right? They probably think their audience would appreciate a content trickle so that newcomers understand the base toolset before delving deeper. The only problem is that it's a bit forced when it's a time-based lock as opposed to a playtime-based lock.
I totally understand both sides of the argument here.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
There are plenty of people in here defending it and practically no one (if anybody) wants the game to do poorly. What are you talking about?