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Super Mario Sunshine needs a Remake on Switch (and Miyamoto doesn't want to do it)
- Thread starter EVH
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Bang on the money.
Pokemaniac
Member
The problem with remaking Super Mario Sunshine is that it's level design is honestly pretty flawed in ways that border on fundamental at times. You'd either have to kind of stick with the game in all its unfinished glory, or replace/fix wide swaths of it.
I think anyone wanting a remake to expand on the content the game needs might be missing the context that whatever ideas they had at the time that weren't implemented have almost assuredly been used in the 3D Mario games since then, Galaxy especially. Basically wanting a new game to made in SMS's name illustrates that they're better off making a whole new game rather than trying to "fix" something that can't really be fixed.
Sunshine is what it is.
Sunshine is what it is.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Yeah I loved this game back in 2002. It did not age well. Let it stay in the past.
Dude's entire post history. see: MJ RIP thread and virtually any music one.
Undead Fantasy
Member
64 + Sunshine remaster collection please.
LinkAndEpona
Banned
Agreed, it doesn't need a full remake though it would greatly benefit from it. Availability as an eShop downloadable would be better than not.
VendettaRed07
Member
As much as I like sunshine, really it would need such an overhaul that a full on Sunshine 2 would be a better idea.
There are way way way too many blue coins. They take up far too many stars in the game and you would need to double the amount of levels.
And if the levels that are there, (even the good ones) half the shines in each would need to be completely rethought because they just aren't up to standard for a first party mario game mission these days. The game would be slaughtered in reviewes if like half the games non blue coin shine missions stayed in exactly as they are
But the water pack mechanic I think was fun enough to try and build another game around in the future.
It really did expand mario's move set and would allow Nintendo and the current mario team to create a lot of unique and interesting ideas because I don't think sunshine tapped the potential of where they can take that mechanic at all
There are way way way too many blue coins. They take up far too many stars in the game and you would need to double the amount of levels.
And if the levels that are there, (even the good ones) half the shines in each would need to be completely rethought because they just aren't up to standard for a first party mario game mission these days. The game would be slaughtered in reviewes if like half the games non blue coin shine missions stayed in exactly as they are
But the water pack mechanic I think was fun enough to try and build another game around in the future.
It really did expand mario's move set and would allow Nintendo and the current mario team to create a lot of unique and interesting ideas because I don't think sunshine tapped the potential of where they can take that mechanic at all
Geno Breaker
Banned
Screw a VC release. Knowing Nintendo they'd mess it up one way or another, and there's no good alternative for the analog trigger's functions. Give me a remake with a reworked FLUDD and more Shines, alongside the scrapped levels.
He also had almost nothing to do with any of them, those are under the eye of Tezuka. Miyamoto has more to do with the 3d games. Even then the last one he was heavily involved in was Galaxy, and 64 was the last one he was personally in charge of.
Fucking preach. Have no idea where the nostalgia for Sunshine comes from. The game has so many problems and was essentially released unfinished.
Gai Murakumo
Member
Just port it and up rez it a bit and call it a day. A Remake does not need to occur.
There is a lot of good stuff in Sunshine, and some of the ideas in the game hearken to the same magic that the Galaxy games had, but it's clear they ran into time constraints during development.
It's the worst 3D Mario game, but it's still a classic must-play experience in my opinion. All the other 3D Marios are simply the best of the genre and Sunshine falls short of that echelon. But it's still a good game.
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AdmiralMikey
Member
It would be nice if Nintendo could do for Gamecube games on Switch what Sony is doing for PS2 games on PS4. They're raising the resolution and sometimes making the framerate smoother, but for the most part they're keeping the game the same. Low investment on Sony's part to make those older games more palatable on newer TVs and they're able to sell them at around $10 each, which I think is worth it.
We don't need or even particularly want a full remake of Super Mario Sunshine, but I would gladly pay $10 for access to play it at 1080p on my TV through my Switch.
We don't need or even particularly want a full remake of Super Mario Sunshine, but I would gladly pay $10 for access to play it at 1080p on my TV through my Switch.
AuthenticM
Member
Damn. I've never played Sunshine, but wow.
You should make a thread about this. I would love to read your elaboration on these points.
Also, was the game really released unfinished? Was this confirmed by Nintendo?
Sure? It's not remotely an issue.
Yeah I don't want remakes of old Mario games either. Even if they got a different team to work on a Sunshine remake not sure if I would buy it, or any other 3D game. However, my brother would probably buy it, or at least a 1080p Switch port.
Would rather their efforts were focused on more new and refreshing stuff like Odyssey.
Would rather their efforts were focused on more new and refreshing stuff like Odyssey.
Oh wow, yeah. That was an embarrassing one.
Unfinished isn't quite the right term, but it was rushed to the market after the Gamecube stumbled out the gate in order to fulfill Iwata's promise of having SMS, Metroid Prime and Wind Waker out in the same year, at least in Japan.
Omnii-chan
Member
But they said Gamecube games are meant to be coming to Switch?
Or does he specifically mean "remake the whole thing".
Because if so, yeah of course he won't remake Mario's when he can make a new one.
Or does he specifically mean "remake the whole thing".
Because if so, yeah of course he won't remake Mario's when he can make a new one.
DarkConfidant
Member
And he's right. It's better as a creator to create new stuff, and create stuff because you have a reason to. Please fans isn't good enough for artists.
It's like that Henry Ford quote about if he would have just asked what customers wanted: "they would have said a faster horse" instead of a car.
It's like that Henry Ford quote about if he would have just asked what customers wanted: "they would have said a faster horse" instead of a car.
catpurrcat
Member
Awful game. Had me legit scared back then that nintendo was going mediocre. Galaxy redeemed them 1000%. All is forgiven lol
freeofgreed
Member
I'll never udnerstand the hate for sunshine on here. Fucking love it. Was my first 3D Mario game. I initially didn't want to pick it up because I didn't like Fluud and how clean shit was a a gameplay mechanic but I was in love with platformers at the time and this was one of the few ones I hadn't had so I caved and I'm so happy that I did.
freeofgreed
Member
But we are getting a new entry. I don't understand how someone making a remaster would hurt you at all.
Sora the Cat
Member
Idk man, I think I agree with Miyamoto on this one.
Lightning Lord
Banned
That and maybe some reward for bothering to get all 120 shine sprites. I don't remember there being anything of the sort, anyway.
It takes people to make those remakes, those people could be making newer content instead.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Sunshine wasnt a great game.
Sunshine was bloated as fuck. There were way too many collectibles, and the FLUDD seemed like a way to salvage levels that felt like they were designed for a different game.
The FLUDD-less levels are enjoyable, but rest of it was a sloppy chore. Not the tight, revolutionary follow-up to Mario 64 the series deserved.
The FLUDD-less levels are enjoyable, but rest of it was a sloppy chore. Not the tight, revolutionary follow-up to Mario 64 the series deserved.
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
Its not really bait, its a joke based on a common stereotype.
Dont act like Nintendo fans arent inclined to buy the same games over and over. You seen the SNES mini thread?