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Super Mario Sunshine needs a Remake on Switch (and Miyamoto doesn't want to do it)
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Sorta Maximus
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I tried Super Mario Sunshine back in the day on the GameCube and I didn't like it then. Over time, I grew to love Wind Waker (which I also didn't like at the time) but I still have no desire to ever play Sunshine again. The Super Mario Galaxy 1-2, 3D Land, 3D World, and Super Mario Odyssey games were so much better anyway. Sunshine is the Super Mario Bros. 2 of the 3D games. And by far I'd rather play Super Mario Bros. 2 between those two.
I'd happily take an uprezzed Sunshine on the Switch, as I love that game dearly despite its very obvious flaws. Even better though, would be a remake. And above all that, I want Miyamoto to retire. He already wrecked Paper Mario, and if him being around is the reason why Sunshine won't be revisited that just makes me want him to retire even more.
Geno Breaker
Banned
Can you tell us the winning lottery numbers too?
TwistedFreeze
Member
You don't think a PS Mini or PS2 Mini would elicit the same response? People have nostalgia for things they grew up with, hardly anything exclusive to one fanbase
ProfessorLobo
Banned
What's with Nintendo fans remake fetish now? Let's make some new games please.
dreamlongdead
Member
No thank you. Just accept Sunshine for what it is and replay it when you get the itch.
I never played Sunshine, but I don't want it all. Especially with a brand new Mario game that actually looks fun. Can't fix Sunshine's problems by changing the art, and the game graphically holds up anyway.
There are simply many better choices for a remake, and they make a lot more sense.
I never played Sunshine, but I don't want it all. Especially with a brand new Mario game that actually looks fun. Can't fix Sunshine's problems by changing the art, and the game graphically holds up anyway.
There are simply many better choices for a remake, and they make a lot more sense.
Okami Haundo
Member
Threads like this really make me hate how casually we throw out hyperbolic statements. I know we're used to the idea of calling games "bad" or "terrible" based on certain design choices, but it's really sad sometimes. I kind of wish we could get back to a point where we refer to the quality of games appropriately.
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
Maybe. Nintendo have been reselling the same stuff for 27 years though.
CharlesDangus
Member
Sunshine doesn't need to be remade, it just needs to be completed and polished up.
From data mining the game files, we know there were entire worlds that were cut, and that Corona Mountain was probably supposed to be its own world rather than just the pathetic final Bowser level that it is. There was also supposed to be some kind of train system to travel around the island, which makes more sense than the "painting" entrances for each world, considering you can often see the other worlds in the distance at different spots on the island.
How to fix Sunshine:
-Finish or create 3-5 new worlds
-Offload blue coin shines onto these new worlds
-Blue coins now purchase tropical outfits or allow you to buy a summer home for mario and decorate it ala Odyssey
-Delete the Pachinko shine
-Fix the janky camera angles in the few shines where it causes problems.
-Delete that shine where you have to roll that fucking melon down the hill without it exploding.
-Reinstate the train system, or do something to make the island seem more integrated
Whether or not this constitutes a remake or whatever I don't really care. Sunshine's core mechanics are amazing. The camera in general is leagues ahead of 64. The movement and controls are the pinnacle of the series imo. Playing Galaxy after a 120 shine run feels like Mario is stuck in mud.
I think Nintendo knows that is what would need to be done to rerelease Sunshine, which would unquestionably be a lot more work than WWHD and TPHD. So I get why they're not quick to do it. I'm hoping they eventually do right by Sunshine and complete the work that was cut to make the deadline, maybe a few years after Odyssey, to fill a drought in first party releases.
From data mining the game files, we know there were entire worlds that were cut, and that Corona Mountain was probably supposed to be its own world rather than just the pathetic final Bowser level that it is. There was also supposed to be some kind of train system to travel around the island, which makes more sense than the "painting" entrances for each world, considering you can often see the other worlds in the distance at different spots on the island.
How to fix Sunshine:
-Finish or create 3-5 new worlds
-Offload blue coin shines onto these new worlds
-Blue coins now purchase tropical outfits or allow you to buy a summer home for mario and decorate it ala Odyssey
-Delete the Pachinko shine
-Fix the janky camera angles in the few shines where it causes problems.
-Delete that shine where you have to roll that fucking melon down the hill without it exploding.
-Reinstate the train system, or do something to make the island seem more integrated
Whether or not this constitutes a remake or whatever I don't really care. Sunshine's core mechanics are amazing. The camera in general is leagues ahead of 64. The movement and controls are the pinnacle of the series imo. Playing Galaxy after a 120 shine run feels like Mario is stuck in mud.
I think Nintendo knows that is what would need to be done to rerelease Sunshine, which would unquestionably be a lot more work than WWHD and TPHD. So I get why they're not quick to do it. I'm hoping they eventually do right by Sunshine and complete the work that was cut to make the deadline, maybe a few years after Odyssey, to fill a drought in first party releases.
Sunshine's mechanics are tons of fun. Although Odyssey enables Mario to do many things and be super nimble and mobile again (more than it's even been, actually), it doesn't replace Sunshine's unique moveset with the FLUDD. I'd love to see a new take on Sunshine, making use of the game's best part and replacing the shitty and padded content with new and interesting stuff. Hopefully Miyamoto and Takahashi will allow it in some sense down the road.
I totally understand why someone like Miyamoto would be indifferent about a remake or even revisiting old games in general. It would be a waste of their time.
But there's no blanket rule that says remakes and remasters are bad, and only new experiences are good.
There will be a 'Miyamoto of remasters' who is passionate about perfecting and crystallising games. In fact there will be many. Let them do their thing, and preserve our classic games as our memory remembers them. And then let the Miyamotos create the new experiences.
But there's no blanket rule that says remakes and remasters are bad, and only new experiences are good.
There will be a 'Miyamoto of remasters' who is passionate about perfecting and crystallising games. In fact there will be many. Let them do their thing, and preserve our classic games as our memory remembers them. And then let the Miyamotos create the new experiences.
It's cool. Just make GameCube VC and add GameCube controller support. Sunshine Mario is the most fun Mario to control in the entire franchise. So many crazy acrobatic stunts he can pull with and without FLUDD. The spin jump is my personal favorite. Also, making your own water slide and sliding around Delfino Plaza is oodles of fun.
CharlesDangus
Member
They created 30 new stars in Mario 64 DS as well as new levels.
EndlessFloydian
Member
Instead of adding any new levels, I could see Nintendo doing the following with a remake:
*Add a blue coin tracker that can be toggled on/off
*Fix the movement controls for the Pachinko level, water bottle, lily pad river and ferris wheel level (although you can cheat through the ferris wheel if your smart)
Still one of my favorite GameCube Mario games aside from TTYD.
*Add a blue coin tracker that can be toggled on/off
*Fix the movement controls for the Pachinko level, water bottle, lily pad river and ferris wheel level (although you can cheat through the ferris wheel if your smart)
Still one of my favorite GameCube Mario games aside from TTYD.
Hopes for a Super Mario Galaxy 1+2 HD combo...deleted
Why? Miyamoto is talking about remakes as far as I can tell, not remasters. There's a huge difference there. There's also always the potential for a Virtual Console release, and I would even say it's possible that they could get GC and Wii games running in HD on Switch and/or future platforms.
TwistedFreeze
Member
As does any company with a video game history as rich as there's. I don't see the problem as those games make up a small part of their library and doesn't prevent them from working on their new games
Well a remake would allow them to fix the game's issues and make it a truly great game. It's still good but it can be great with enough of its problems addressed. Granted, I would prefer 64 to get a remake but I certainly wouldn't be opposed to a Sunshine remake
ZombiePlatypus
Member
I'm not gonna wait.
It's summer now, and I wanna re-experience this game. I'm starting it up tonight.
It's summer now, and I wanna re-experience this game. I'm starting it up tonight.
Please No,! It's the LAST game of all the mario games that I want them to remake.
I prefer even Mario time machine before Sunshine.
They even could place another head on Mario and you could still not now it is a mario game. The game is just that bad (beside the watertool he has on his back.).
I'm still waiting on a new fresh mario galaxy3 game or a sandbox game with mario 64 vs super mario world feeling.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Frankly I'm glad Miyamoto isn't interested in remakes. Keep pushing forward with new experiences, and let others handle the quick buck remakes.
"It's not bait."
* continues to try and bait by ignorantly describing something that isn't remotely exclusive to Nintendo fans *
I'd back this
Sorta Maximus
Member
LoL. I'll stake my next paycheck on the odds that Super Mario Odyssey will be better than Super Mario Sunshine. Not putting Sunshine down per say, I mean, you can control a T-Rex with a Mario hat!!
whalleywhat
Member
Miyamoto rises in esteem once again.
Mass Effect
Member
No it doesn't... no one needs to experience the mediocrity of Sunshine.
Give us the Galaxy games instead.
Give us the Galaxy games instead.
Polioliolio
Member
Those too, for certain!
Bobo Dakes
Member
The Switch does not NEED a Sunshine remake, you just want one.
But does it PLAY well?
But does it PLAY well?
CampbellzSoup
Member
Why not remake it? It should be like Disney movies where they repurpose the games to come out like once every ten years.
Final Fantasy X got a refresh that pretty mich is what I'd expect here. Some cosmetic touches and maybe ironing out a few of the bad games mechanics,
Final Fantasy X got a refresh that pretty mich is what I'd expect here. Some cosmetic touches and maybe ironing out a few of the bad games mechanics,
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
Because it was a pretty game with a nice ost but it was a rushed and unpolished game.
CampbellzSoup
Member
I don't think it was rushed or unpolished I just think the tropical theme really put a restrain on what they could do in how many different ways to exploit a tropical theme
jts
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That's pretty much it + a few good ideas. Like, seeing the Delfino Plaza getting brighter and brighter was brilliant. It was great to finally ride Yoshi in 3D. I struggle to find more neat things though.
The overall game was just not very good.
Adam_Vania
Banned
i would way rather them make new games like the far superior looking Super Mario Odyssey. if u want to play the old games they will always be there.
JershJopstin
Banned
Eh, for me it comes from:
-I was 3 at the time of its release (sorry OldGAF)
-It controls far tighter than every other Mario imo, making it the most fun to just mess around in.
...and that's it, really. I could get through the sub-par level design because moving around was just so damn fun regardless.
LegendofLex
Member
Sunshine absolutely doesn't deserve the effort that'd go into a remake (or a remaster for that matter), but I get why people are attached to it nonetheless.
- The unique settings are nice, and the universe they built around them (Piantas, Shine Sprites, etc.) were a worthwhile change of pace from the trappings of past Mario games.
- Same goes for the music.
- The game really was thoughtful about a lot of the core things it asked of the player, especially exploration and trying to get to hard-to-reach players.
- I actually liked its takes on "traditional" 3D Mario stuff like Red Coins and secret stages.
I'd love to play it again on Switch, but I don't think it's in a place where it can be fixed by better graphics/sound, and I don't think Nintendo should try to add more content to it like they did with 64 on DS. Just port it over like they did with N64 VC titles.
If there's a Mario game they should remaster, it's 64. Add a dual-analog camera scheme, map the controls to the modern Nintendo button layout, redo the graphics and sound, but keep the content, physics, and gameplay otherwise the same.
themagicalkitsune
Member
He's been shitting up this entire thread with unrelated rants on Miyamoto, Nintendo games and the Nintendo fanbase. It's pretty transparent what his intentions are.
RE the game - revisited it in 2013 and it's really not that good. They can keep it. I do have fond memories of it though.
Yep, in the grand scheme of all Nintendo games released and Mario games in particular it's one of the worst.
Nothing worth preserving from the original game, the only good bits were already ripped off to fit in a much better game : Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2
