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SUPERHOT VR sales platform split really highlight how dominating Oculus Quest is over other VR headsets
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THE DUCK
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Not really a surprise considering it doesn't require extra hardware, wires, or the dinosaur display that ps4 vr has. 
Not to mention the game is ancient and was purchased on all other platforms eons ago. Maybe we should compare it to Samsung phone vr sales too.......
Not to mention the game is ancient and was purchased on all other platforms eons ago. Maybe we should compare it to Samsung phone vr sales too.......
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Punished Miku
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It's more than just Superhot.Not really a surprise considering it doesn't require extra hardware, wires, or the dinosaur display that ps4 vr has.
Not to mention the game is ancient and was purchased on all other platforms eons ago. Maybe we should compare it to Samsung phone vr sales too.......
Developers Share Record VR Player & Sales Numbers Across Christmas
Several developers have indicated Christmas 2021 was a big moment for the VR industry and Meta’s Quest 2 headset. Over the last few years, the Christmas period has become an increasingly huge milestone day of growth for virtual reality and VR developers, particularly in the post-2019 Quest...
uploadvr.com
Doesn't really say much other than that the Christmas sales spikes for Oculus are real, and are dramatically surpassing all previous sales numbers, including sales from the initial launch of their games.
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ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Not really a surprise considering it doesn't require extra hardware, wires, or the dinosaur display that ps4 vr has.
Not to mention the game is ancient and was purchased on all other platforms eons ago. Maybe we should compare it to Samsung phone vr sales too.......
I think that’s what makes it interesting. Game is ancient and yet selling more every year, which means more and more people are getting into VR for the first time.
Game ain’t on Samsung phone VR, sorry
Gameplaylover
Member
I think that wireless solution is what people love. Still hoping Sony will offer at least some wireless adapter.
ZehDon
Member
Valve's Index has been on the market for three and a half years. PlayStation VR has been on the market for five and a half years. HTC Vive has been on sale for well over six years. At some point, I think its OK to read something into it
Oculus Quest 2 has been on sale for around two years, and as I posted in the Quest thread, it now dominates the PCVR space, blowing everything away with ease, according to Steam's hardware survey.
It's succeeding for a reason, and it's set the bar for consumer VR hardware.
As for SHVR, VR games can't rely on graphics alone to sell them - which has the side effect of making their visual styles almost timeless. If their gameplay is solid, there's no reason for them to age out at this point. There's a reason RE4 VR is the fastest selling VR game ever - the combination of "good enough" graphics with rock solid gameplay is clearly a good recipe for VR games with incredibly long tails.
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Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Yet it's not enough for them to make more VR content. But, yes, evergreen casual best-for-first-timers & forgotten past that top sellers do well on the store with the smaller selection and no competition by flat games that people will opt to play if a VR title doesn't seem special enough to bother.
Like indie games early on did best on Switch but PC is still a mainstay market for them (and all games, that's why everything comes to PC now, Japanese games, timed console exclusives & first-party games). How about comparing a new popular/core VR game like people want after such intro apps like After the Fall? It's 50/50 between Quest and PC going by the amount of user reviews. There's even a very similar percentage of recommending vs panning on both (negative reviews on Steam vs 1-3 out of 5 on Quest, accepting some of the threes will be more positive and some less).
The percentage of user reviewers could vary but it indicates solid performance on PC, putting to rest PC VR/non stand alone VR is dead arguments by the amateur VR sites, influencers and media which seem to be Facebook shills slandering other platforms, not only by not covering titles until (if) they announce a Quest port but also constantly spewing the self fulfilling prophecy of how it's dead and everyone trashed their PC VR kits (Quests included) after making Alyx, Beat Saber, Boneworks, etc. the top VR sellers, rather than help elevate all of VR and cover all the great games & content no matter the platform so its users can know it exists and buy it, instead of play favorites, so that we can get the medium to a Wii/PS2-like 150 million user strong mainstream level instead of praise a single platform holder for a tiny fraction of that and shit on all the rest... /rant
Like indie games early on did best on Switch but PC is still a mainstay market for them (and all games, that's why everything comes to PC now, Japanese games, timed console exclusives & first-party games). How about comparing a new popular/core VR game like people want after such intro apps like After the Fall? It's 50/50 between Quest and PC going by the amount of user reviews. There's even a very similar percentage of recommending vs panning on both (negative reviews on Steam vs 1-3 out of 5 on Quest, accepting some of the threes will be more positive and some less).
The percentage of user reviewers could vary but it indicates solid performance on PC, putting to rest PC VR/non stand alone VR is dead arguments by the amateur VR sites, influencers and media which seem to be Facebook shills slandering other platforms, not only by not covering titles until (if) they announce a Quest port but also constantly spewing the self fulfilling prophecy of how it's dead and everyone trashed their PC VR kits (Quests included) after making Alyx, Beat Saber, Boneworks, etc. the top VR sellers, rather than help elevate all of VR and cover all the great games & content no matter the platform so its users can know it exists and buy it, instead of play favorites, so that we can get the medium to a Wii/PS2-like 150 million user strong mainstream level instead of praise a single platform holder for a tiny fraction of that and shit on all the rest... /rant
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DenchDeckard
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wow oculus blasting.
Captain Toad
Banned
Sony is going after a different market - the higher end VR games. The price is the cord. But, it should be just one cord with the PSVR 2.0.
Who should release their own standalone VR headset similar to the Oculus Quest is Nintendo. Nintendo could do amazing things in VR, and a less powerful set, fully portable, would suit them well.
sncvsrtoip
Member
imo we will go back to 2018 stats after psvr2 premiere
Goalus
Member
PSVR2 will likely coincide with Meta Quest 3.
I'd say it's doubtful that Sony can recover, especially if PSVR2 requires a PS5, which makes no sense in 2023.
sncvsrtoip
Member
with proper specs, ps5 power and targeting aaa games (gt7 full vr support, rumored horizon) it will be much bigger than psvr1
Goalus
Member
PS5 will have a user base of roughly 25M by the end of this year.
Meta Quest will have roughly the same user base.
That means that every PS5 owner needs to buy a PSVR2 asap just to catch up to the Quest. It's doubtful that this will happen.
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prinz_valium
Member
Xbox Series S was such a smart move.
After a die shrink that chip could be used in a standalone VR headset.
Ps5 and Series X are to big and power hungry.
Make it a wireless standalone, that can also be connected to PC or Series X for even better visuals. So cover both bases. Or maybe make a very cheap one using cloud streaming and just good displays.
There is no way Microsoft does not see the quest success and getting worried.
Won't come out before 2024, tho.
PSVR2 will come earlier.
After a die shrink that chip could be used in a standalone VR headset.
Ps5 and Series X are to big and power hungry.
Make it a wireless standalone, that can also be connected to PC or Series X for even better visuals. So cover both bases. Or maybe make a very cheap one using cloud streaming and just good displays.
There is no way Microsoft does not see the quest success and getting worried.
Won't come out before 2024, tho.
PSVR2 will come earlier.
sncvsrtoip
Member
but ps5 will be alive around 2028 and in the end will have more than 100 milion base user
MrFunSocks
Banned
And the PSVR sold like 2 million units to a user base of about 120 million. The PSVR2 isn’t suddenly going to sell 50+ million that the Quests will probably have sold by then.
Goalus
Member
By then Quest 4 will have been released which will be additive to the Quest ecosystem like the Quest 3.
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sncvsrtoip
Member
psvr1 has too low resolution, lack of proper controls and ps4 was/is too weak for vr, all this was addressed and fixed with psvr2 and ps5
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
As if stand-alone VR didn't see EXPONENTIAL growth with every improvement, from mobile phone VR to Go to Quest and now Quest 2, nope, Quest 2 doing sort of well with all the Facebook money doing the heavy lifting in both the price/availability and the media attitude towards it is the first, lol.
Wireless will become a standard option for all platforms eventually, Facebook doesn't have exclusivity in Wi-Fi 6+ like they had exclusivity for the first Snapdragon XR2 batches stopping any potential competitors from even dreaming of competing on a technical level thanks to just that little fact...
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Gameplaylover
Member
But if i understood it right you can also use Quest wireless with your Pc to play something like Half-Life ALYX. Just hoping Sony may change their mind or offer at least an additional wireless set. Don't mind paying 100-150 bucks more for wireless.
Agreed. Nintendo would be perfect for a standalone Vr Set.
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Punished Miku
Member
Always a chance.
There's talk of a Quest Pro or something with eye tracking and fov rendering. Who knows if they push it out or reconsider d/t chip shortage and Quest 2 momentum.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Next is project Cambria or whatever which will be a sort of premium type model they tout as a 2nd pillar type of deal that according to FB/Carmack won't replace Quest 2 affording it a long life and I guess isn't likely to have far improved internals but add more high end features like eye tracking.
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PSVR had sold 5 Million units about 2 years ago. Where on earth are you getting 2M from? Also good luck selling 50+ million Quests. Very much doubt there would be 50+M Quest sales in a year or so.
GHG
Gold Member
Based on the rumours they are aiming to launch it with some kind of improved control solution such as the gloves.
Kev Kev
Member
just want to add that quest 2 requires a decent PC to get the most out of the experience. quest people always conveniently neglect to mention that.
question, with chip shortages being a thing, won't PC players have trouble getting the hardware they need just the same as PSVR users will have trouble finding a PS5???
question, with chip shortages being a thing, won't PC players have trouble getting the hardware they need just the same as PSVR users will have trouble finding a PS5???
Vognerful
Member
What would psvr2 require if I want to use on PC? Did the psvr1 have good compatibility with PC in the first place?just want to add that quest 2 requires a decent PC to get the most out of the experience. quest people always conveniently neglect to mention that.
question, with chip shortages being a thing, won't PC players have trouble getting the hardware they need just the same as PSVR users will have trouble finding a PS5???
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GHG
Gold Member
just want to add that quest 2 requires a decent PC to get the most out of the experience. quest people always conveniently neglect to mention that.
question, with chip shortages being a thing, won't PC players have trouble getting the hardware they need just the same as PSVR users will have trouble finding a PS5???
The vast majority of quest 2 users use it standalone, hence the sales discrepancies between the quest and PC versions of the same VR games as discussed in the OP.
If the original PSVR is anything to go by you should not be buying a PSVR for PC use.
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Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Where have you even heard that, most places just shill stand alone Quest 2 to hell and back and trash everything else. It's a VR console, it is what it is, has its own games and unless you also think you don't get "the most" of games if you play on consoles instead of the PC version maxed it's fine.
There are a few exclusives on it even (and plenty of games that are on PC VR first/only since just like your other consoles Oculus is a closed ecosystem with limited in comparison releases so not every PC dev has the resources, or the will for it but again those aren't really talked about much)
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Kev Kev
Member
uh, everywhere lol? literally always heard the quest was limited without being powered by a PC; that the stand alone cant run everything without it.
its the reason i havent bought a quest. im not a PC person and im not looking to become one. otherwise i might have bought a quest instead
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kuncol02
Banned
It's simply way cheaper than alternatives. Index is 999$, Quest 2 is 300$. WMR, Vive and Rift S are not sold anymore and there is basically no one else left on market.Valve's Index has been on the market for three and a half years. PlayStation VR has been on the market for five and a half years. HTC Vive has been on sale for well over six years. At some point, I think its OK to read something into it
It's succeeding for a reason, and it's set the bar for consumer VR hardware.
As for SHVR, VR games can't rely on graphics alone to sell them - which has the side effect of making their visual styles almost timeless. If their gameplay is solid, there's no reason for them to age out at this point. There's a reason RE4 VR is the fastest selling VR game ever - the combination of "good enough" graphics with rock solid gameplay is clearly a good recipe for VR games with incredibly long tails.
GHG
Gold Member
You will get a lot more out of it by pairing it with a strong gaming PC since you'll have access to all the PC VR games (steam and oculus' PC exclusives and a lot of mods) but there are more than enough standalone quest games available to keep most people occupied/satisfied. Personally I wouldn't be satisfied with it without having paired it with my PC but I know plenty of people who don't care to make that step.
You have to remember most people only play a handful of games a year max, most people sticking to 2-3 games for years on end (see the COD/FIFA/Fortnite crowd).
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kingfey
Banned
That doesn't translate to customers. Highest gaming sold is spiderman on the ps4, and it didn't even hit 30m copies at 120m copies.
Plus quest 2 can be made faster than ps5, cheaper than ps5. And also, normal casuals non gamers can get in to quest 2, compared to ps5.
I expect quest 2 to hit higher, but that depends on how they handle it.
VR is fun technology, and it bends your reality. I expect casuals to buy it.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
It's a no brainer. Standalone and cheaper than other high ends. How would anyone even consider another plattaform?
kingfey
Banned
Meta Quest Starter Kit: 23 VR Games to Install on Your New Quest 2 Headset
If you unwrapped (or watched someone unwrap) a brand new Quest 2 headset during the holidays and want to know what to play first? We've got you covered with some great Quest game recommendations.
www.oculus.com
GHG
Gold Member
List of Meta Quest games - Wikipedia
And:
Shop Meta Quest VR Games, Apps, Deals and More | Meta Quest
Shop VR games, apps, and entertainment available on the Meta Quest headsets. Download hundreds of action, sports, and multiplayer VR games on Meta Quest.
www.oculus.com
Yep, even if you are looking to buy a headset for PC VR games it doesn't even make much sense to buy anything else right now.
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sncvsrtoip
Member
imo quest 2 will be good for short aa games as it is now, proper aaa titles will be psvr2 strength
FunkMiller
Gold Member
It's almost as if a completely wireless, cheap VR headset is more popular than one than costs more than double, and needs wires and a powerful PC to operate.
Mr Moose
Member
Isn't it the 2nd largest? How are you reading those pie charts and coming up with what you said?
Goalus
Member
Sony is the blueish color.
Mr Moose
Member
Which is the 2nd largest...
GHG
Gold Member
Their share of the pie is shrinking at an alarming rate.
Kev Kev
Member
so no half life alyx without a PC. how many other big games on VR cant be run on quest without a PC? thats kind of my point. quest people forget to mention that part until someone comes in and mentions that.List of Meta Quest games - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
And:
Shop Meta Quest VR Games, Apps, Deals and More | Meta Quest
Shop VR games, apps, and entertainment available on the Meta Quest headsets. Download hundreds of action, sports, and multiplayer VR games on Meta Quest.
look, im not saying the quest 2 isnt a great option for VR. if you dont already own a PS4, id say quest 2 is for sure your best option. but your not going to get the most out of the experience without that PC. and as far as i understand, if you want to get PC VR games like half life alyx to run, youll have tho be tethered by a wire, is that correct? legit question, i dont know
given all that, i can see why someone might be willing to just wait and see psvr2 has to offer, especially if they already have a PS5. so when psvr2 comes out, i think we will se these numbers change. but by then other headset will be out, so who know.
honestly, this whole VR headset war is just as petty and pathetic as console wars imo. im just trying to get the facts straight and not let people conveniently leave out important ones.
"im just asking questions!!" ok thats the last time ill say that i promise
Alexios
how about you actually respond instead of just laughing reaction? its coming off a bit antagonistic
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Goalus
Member
But they lost the most market share over the past few years.
Mr Moose
Member
Yeah, there was 5M in 2020, did we get an updated number since?
Because the headset isn't selling 10+ million like the Quest. Biggest loser is Rift.