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SUPERHOT VR sales platform split really highlight how dominating Oculus Quest is over other VR headsets
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Oculus has its own store. Nobody mentioned VR exclusives though even though Sony made high budget VR exclusives. More than other platform holders like Valve even. Astrobot, blood and truth, Iron man, Rigs VR, Until Dawn: Rush of blood, Firewall: Zero Hour, Wipeout, as well as existing games like Dreams, Driveclub, GT etc.
The small install base is an issue for them. If PSVR sold 5+ Mil to 120M potential customers what do you think XBVR will sell to 50M? Releasing things on PC is MS trying to increase game sales due to small xbox install base. It's them trying to increase the install base of their games. Selling 50,000 copies of a 'AAA' VR game, to an install base of less than <1M XBVR owners isn't going to make financial sense no matter how much money you think MS like to burn.
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Kev Kev
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i know they went a different route, but MS not doing a VR headset made me kinda sad. i was so looking forward to halo VR, but not it looks like we will never get it, or its a long way off. grapple hooking around halo infinite in VR would be the funnest shit ever (just controller for me, im not a fan of the wands or motion controls so far).
Unknown?
Member
Yes and why PSVR is falling behind. Haven't seen one in stores for a long time. Probably not PS5 levels of scarcity but it is bad just like PS4 since they are focusing solely on PS5.
kingfey
Banned
Name one game, that has the quality like half lyfe Alex which Playstation made?
Xbox has doom, Flight Simulator, halo, gears of war, skyrim, fall out. All top VR potential games. Halo and flight simulator alone could net them 5m users. It's the perfect platform for VR games. Another advantage for xbox, is the pc store.
Now to the actual topic. The big games you listed are all ps4 games. Drive club, GT. While Astrobot is ps5 game.
Every PSVR Exclusive - The Best And Worst Games Ranked
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uploadvr.com
Like I said before, it's easy to make VR mode, but it's expensive to make AAA exclusive VR game.
Virtual Reality Game Development: How Much Does It Cost? – OTR
Learn how much different Virtual Reality games cost and which factors influence it: genre, project scope, content, technologies and more.
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Estimate for half lyfe Alex is between $30m to $79m. You won't get that from 5m users. Especially with ps4 game sale ratio being 1/5.5.
kingfey
Banned
I hope they don't go to psnow/psvita route.
These devices have potential. Just like how MS is banking on xcloud, despite its early stage.
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There still might be hope. 343 hired a VR mod maker in the summer. There are VR mods now on PC I think too.
Kev Kev
Member
for real tho i would be so stoked. im not a fan boy for any brand or console or PC or headset, etc., but something just tells me MS would kill it in the VR sector.
bro this would make me so happy. but i wouldnt hold my breath. by the time PSVR2 releases, i imagine they will have the PS5 shortages figured out. not to mention, im not sure what kind of black magic it would take to get the PSVR2 to run on a PS4, but it seems like itd be a whole ass thing that couldnt just be done with some copy and paste.
but i hope it happens! otherwise, its looking more and more like ill have to at least check out what oculus and the quest have to offer before buying a PSVR2 and PS5 at the price of an arm and a leg.
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Blood and truth is high quality as is Astrobot.Name one game, that has the quality like half lyfe Alex which Playstation made?
Xbox has doom, Flight Simulator, halo, gears of war, skyrim, fall out. All top VR potential games. Halo and flight simulator alone could net them 5m users. It's the perfect platform for VR games. Another advantage for xbox, is the pc store.
Now to the actual topic. The big games you listed are all ps4 games. Drive club, GT. While Astrobot is ps5 game.
Every PSVR Exclusive - The Best And Worst Games Ranked
Here’s every PSVR exclusive ranked! PSVR might not be the most advanced VR headset on the market, but there’s one thing we can all agree on – the best PSVR exclusives are some of the best games on any headset. But which are the best of the best? And
Like I said before, it's easy to make VR mode, but it's expensive to make AAA exclusive VR game.
Virtual Reality Game Development: How Much Does It Cost? – OTR
Learn how much different Virtual Reality games cost and which factors influence it: genre, project scope, content, technologies and more.
Estimate for half lyfe Alex is between $30m to $79m. You won't get that from 5m users. Especially with ps4 game sale ratio being 1/5.5.
I mean no shit the games I listed are PS4 games. PSVR is a PS4 peripheral. Astro Bot Rescue Mission is a PS4 VR game too. The PS5 Astrobot game isn't VR dude. PSVR2 isn’t out on the PS5 so why would I be listing PS5 VR games??
What's this nonsense about 'potential' VR games? Are you living in la la land
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Kev Kev
Member
put that dude on ignore lol. he made my shit list months ago. dude is straight trollin most the time.Blood and truth is high quality as is Astrobot.
I mean no shit the games I listed are PS4 games. PSVR is a PS4 peripheral. Astro Bot Rescue Mission is a PS4 VR game too. The PS5 Astrobot game isn't VR dude. PSVR2 isn’t out on the PS5 so why would I be listing PS5 VR games??
What's this nonsense about 'potential' VR games? Are you living in la la land
i recently decided its just not worth it and started loading up the ignore list. previously i was "too cool" to do that but to hell with it now. GAF is getting bigger everyday and trolls like kingfey (although he sometimes makes okay posts), just arent worth it to fuck with.
i mean, hes spammed 3k posts in like 6 months. thats half the posts ive made in the last 10 years lol. and jus look at that avatar
dude is straight trollolololin up in here
kingfey
Banned
I mistook Astrobot to the ps5 version.
vs
They arent even close.
Well excuse me, for listing the top VR games, which people want from MS.What's this nonsense about 'potential' VR games? Are you living in la la land
This doom, which MS owns it.
You know skyrim VR.
That is flight simulator VR.
These arent on xbox. Now use your imagination, what happens when MS backs VR, and allows Xbox to have VR.
Lognor
Banned
Isn't the rumor that the PSVR2 will be out in 2022? And there is no way the console shortage is over by this year. Going PS5 only would make it future proof, but if they do release it in the next 12 months I don't think they would do that, as has been seen with all their cross gen games they've released. They don't want to leave that market behind when they don't have the supply of PS5s at the moment.
for real tho i would be so stoked. im not a fan boy for any brand or console or PC or headset, etc., but something just tells me MS would kill it in the VR industry.
bro this would make me so happy. but i wouldnt hold my breath. by the time PSVR2 releases, i imagine they will have the PS5 shortages figured out. not to mention, im not sure what kind of black magic it would take to get the PSVR2 to run on a PS4, but it seems like itd be a whole ass thing that couldnt just be done with some copy and paste.
but i hope it happens! otherwise, its looking more and more like ill have to at least check out what oculus and the quest have to offer before buying a PSVR2 and PS5 at the price of an arm and a leg.
Aren't even close in what? Graphics? One's on PC and one's on a PS4. Again no shit. Are you telling me that's not a good quality PSVR game though?
What do you think XBVR games would look like on an XB1 or Series S compared to PC or PS5?
Sir Vilhelm
Member
It would be interesting to see actually play time numbers. Superhot was the first game i bought on quest 1, spent an hour with it and haven't touched it since. Think I have about 5 hours total on the quest. Wish I sold it when I had the chance.
People thinking that PSVR2 will compete with quest 2 or 3 for the mainstream audience are ignoring those audiences care about price and convenience over all else.
The PSVR2 will compete against the set of headsets that require another computing device and that's fine.
The PSVR2 will compete against the set of headsets that require another computing device and that's fine.
I think it's probably not too bad cause there is other apps like supernatural that probably really will rack up the hours.
kingfey
Banned
Ps4 has the last of us 2, RD2, GOT, and horizon zero down. If it's capable of that graphic, I expect ps4 VR to have that graphic.
Its why I brought up the budget problem.
Making a game look like those games, will cost alot. And 5m users won't convince Sony to spend that much money.
That is my point.
Hitchyhero
Banned
The quest was always designed as a standalone VR headset without the need for a PC . It wasn't very long ago that they added the feature to connect to your PC and allow you to play your PC VR game... To say that you need to a PC to get the most out of it is a bit dishonest, considering its main feature is to be used without a PC.
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Hari Seldon
Member
No one is going to be able to compete with Facebook on VR now. Maybe in the beginning but they have tripled down on it and are pouring ungodly amounts of money into r&d.
kingfey
Banned
Unlike you, I participate in this forum, and talk to people. If that is you insult to me, good luck ignoring me.i mean, hes spammed 3k posts in like 6 months. thats half the posts ive made in the last 10 years lol. and jus look at that avatar
And great job insulting my profile picture. Honestly, it's good thing, I don't have to talk to you, since you are ignoring me.
kingfey
Banned
He has no interest in PC, so he has no clue about these stuff.
Did you know you have to render two viewports and low framerate or resolution isn't a good idea in VR? You clearly don't understand VR if you think you're going to get the same PS4 RDR2 graphics on PS4 RDR2 VR.
Kev Kev
Member
It depends on the games you want to play. You want Skyrim, Half Life: Alyx or No Man Sky? You’ll need a PC. If you Want Superhot, VR Chat or RE4, no PC necessary.
And I think that is a distinction worth making when you’re comparing headsets or if you make a thread title that claims one headset is “dominating” over the others. I honestly think the thread title is just fanning the flames and really unnecessary for this discussion, but we’re here now so…
On the other hand, with PSVR you have zero options for RE4 or Half Life: Alyx, so that alone makes the Quest 2 more appealing for people who want to play those games. And on you the other other hand, I personally wanted to play Skyrim VR and NMS, but I don’t have a a PC, so PSVR was the choice for me. And on the other other other hand, for some people the wire is a no go, which is a whole other component to add in when considering buying a headset. It just depends what you want out of your VR headset. See what I’m saying?
That being said I was a little less informed when I made that post your quoting, and some helpful users have cleared a few things up for me ITT. So I think I understand why the Quest is so popular right now better than I did before. I’ll give it a look see before I decide to buy another VR headset for sure! But I will absolutely be considering the factors I’m talking about here.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Oculus is gonna dominate this market for the foreseeable future. It’s such a great product. I wasn’t sold it on it until I tried it and then immediately bought one. I have friends at work who don’t play videogames at all that bought one.
kingfey
Banned
You wont get the same as those graphics.
But what you will get is the same quality as half life alyx to some extent.
I mean, Sony knows how to get the best out of the ps4, and have the best team for the console.
Unless ps4 has issues, which VR can't harness it.
Ps5 should give us those qualities, considering how powerful the console.
The problem would be, Is Sony willing to invest time and money delivering those games?
They can make A-AA games. AAA is what I am concerned. Since those games will grab hardcore gamers attention.
kingfey
Banned
You are the one that is bringing that.
Everyone knows you need PC for that. It's just that, Quest 2 is more attractive, which is the main point of this post. 10m in 1 year is good result.
No mate you're irrational. Blood and Truth is a 60fps game it has to be because it's a VR game. Last of Us 2, Horizon Zero Dawn and RDR2 are 30fps on a PS4 and only render one viewport. Blood and Truths graphics are great for a VR game. If valve made HL:Alyx for the PS4 PSVR it would look much worse than its PC counterpart and probably not better than Blood and Truth.
Dream-Knife
Banned
Super hot is one of those games that absolutely must be played with VR. Since the quest 2 is the dominant VR platform, that makes sense. Hopefully Valve comes back with a wireless model to get that market back. Facebook is no good.
Edit: weren't people saying earlier this year that VR is dead?
Edit: weren't people saying earlier this year that VR is dead?
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Romulus
Member
Pretty much par for the course. The current generation of people just vomit anything of their mouth and ignore data. Countless arguments here about how the tech will never do anything and Quest 2 literally just did ps2 numbers in its first year.
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Buggy Loop
Member
Shit, at one point last year when I came back to work after a long period at home, there were dozens of peoples on Quest 2 in a very small company that I never thought would buy one. It’s somehow mainstream.
The R&D they are putting on VR will make any future iterations unbeatable.
We also didn’t talk about quality of life that the Quest 2 provides. The guardian system is a system seller by itself. Making a couch where your real life couch is in real life to appear in VR, Bluetooth keyboards that can be shown in VR, hand tracking, pass through cameras, no motion capture towers.
Then add future features in R&D like oculus’ focus tech with dome 3, AI rendering with foveated eye tracking, internal cameras to capture your facial expressions with amazing accuracy, hell you’ll even be able to make an avatar that has the same face as you do.
Helps to have Michael Abrash & John Carmack in your R&D team with a near infinite budget.
Also, speaking of « AAA » experiences, Facebook made the amazing Lone Echo 1 & 2, Asgard’s Wrath, Lies Beneath and RE4. On top of must have exclusives like The Climb 1&2. We’re so far off the « VR demos » of the past, Facebook went full in on VR and their games are must haves.
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Majukun
Member
I mean,it's the most affordable headset while still maintaining a good amount of quality compared to the rest of the headsets (there are probably some that do some things better, but cost at least twice the same amount)
I brought my oculus 2 back home during the holidays and it had a pretty decent success with the rest of my family, my sister is seriously thinking about buying one as a workout device.
lso doesn't help that the treally cutting edge devices that would make a big difference in experience are sold for outrageous prices atm.
A lot of time will pass until we will either get something as good as he oculus at the same or lower price from someone else, or something so much better that doesn't cost like a small car.
I brought my oculus 2 back home during the holidays and it had a pretty decent success with the rest of my family, my sister is seriously thinking about buying one as a workout device.
lso doesn't help that the treally cutting edge devices that would make a big difference in experience are sold for outrageous prices atm.
A lot of time will pass until we will either get something as good as he oculus at the same or lower price from someone else, or something so much better that doesn't cost like a small car.
kingfey
Banned
Its my loss then. I guess there are alot of things I need to learn.
Question. Do you think Sony can do half life alyx like game?
kingfey
Banned
Everyone will have Facebook like account, which tracks you, in the future.
We all have email accounts, which we use to access important websites.
It will be matter of time, before someone figures it out, how to unify all these emails, in to 1 account.
The best thing on VR for 2021 was Resident Evil 4 VR. Quest 2 Exclusive.
You'll play the 'latest and greatest' just fine, standalone.
Dream-Knife
Banned
It's also hard now to make a fake Facebook account because they want to verify it. Fortunately I managed after several tries to trick the bots.
My brother gave me his CV1, otherwise I wouldn't touch it.
Quest 2 is far more comfortable (although not as premium feeling) as Quest 1. PSVR is still more comfortable but the Quest 2 does weigh less it feels.
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Rivet
Member
Well it's an end of life product so of course it won't be sold now, PSVR2 is about to be released... Like Quest 1 when Quest 2 released.
Still sold more than 5 million (Jan 2020 total), that's pretty good (second place after Quest 2 iirc).
PSVR1 was a great headset. More comfortable than Quest 2. But the wires and the lack of precise controls were its limits. Both will be improved in PSVR2.
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Buggy Loop
Member
lukilladog
Member
This is actually bad news for VR gaming, studios that want to make VR games will be shoting themselves in the foot if their game doesn't run smoothly on phone hardware.
ManaByte
Rage Bait Youtuber
Quest 2 isn't phone hardware, the chip was designed specifically for VR/AR.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
It's more than just Superhot.
Developers Share Record VR Player & Sales Numbers Across Christmas
Several developers have indicated Christmas 2021 was a big moment for the VR industry and Meta’s Quest 2 headset. Over the last few years, the Christmas period has become an increasingly huge milestone day of growth for virtual reality and VR developers, particularly in the post-2019 Quest...
Doesn't really say much other than that the Christmas sales spikes for Oculus are real, and are dramatically surpassing all previous sales numbers, including sales from the initial launch of their games.
The article was just about super hot. Of course oculus is the clear winner right now overall.
ManaByte
Rage Bait Youtuber
PSVR is a $400 headset that requires you to connect it to a PS4 through a mess of cables and a junction box. The Quest 2 starts at $299 and doesn't require you to connect it to anything.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Of course it's going to sell more each year, especially the last year, there are far more vr users than before. In a way the sakes increase is underwealming considering how much the user base increased.
The Samsung vr comment was sarcastic.
GHG
Gold Member
Try actually reading the article linked.
Majukun
Member
you very soon will not need it to use an oculus.
in fact i think you can already log out from your facebook account in your oculus and suffer no consequences.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Oh, I went with prices here:
It's 30% cheaper and comes with at least something, I think the price is what is more important. Not sure if we are getting shafted by FB with the prices. But ain't no 299 happening here.