I found that levels have very little impact on Zack, so I don't really understand why some people are freaking out over the leveling system. That said, I don't know why levels were introduced to CC when they could have done away with them. Item-materia fusion and the insane statistic boosts on accessories far, far outweigh the little gain you get from leveling...
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The Official NeoGaf Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII Thread
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Jugendstil
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Honestly, I expected to hate the DMW but so far I've had no problems with it. The game really doesn't focus on leveling anyway. As Panda said, your levels have much less impact than the boosts you get from materia and accessories especially as you progress further into missions. Yeah, it's kind of gimmicky, but I don't think it detracts from the game per se.
DarknessTear
Banned
omg rite said:
:lol Think of how I feel with my screen name. Started off as a reference to Wild Arms when I was 10, then it turned into an emo name as time went by.
Monocle
Member
The DMW hate is really puzzling. I think the system is one of the most enjoyable aspects of the game because it's a novel solution to a problem suffered by virtually all RPGs that feature random battles: repetitiveness. The DMW adds a welcome element of unpredictability to otherwise mundane encounters. Dynamically modifying combat strategies based on which bonuses are rolled keeps things fresh, and limits breaks occur frequently enough that the inability to control them isn't really an issue. The Heightened Emotions modifier ensures that the DMW behaves appropriately during key battles.
Concerning the complaints about the leveling system being tied to the DMW: Too many posters seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that levels matter in this game as much as they do in most RPGs. Please note that the key to kicking ass in Crisis Core lies almost exclusively in the Materia Fusion system, which is complemented by accessories. By the way, click here if you want some insight into the invisible EXP system that governs leveling up--it isn't exactly random.
To the people bitching about the ease of Crisis Core, there are a number of solutions if you're willing to bother yourselves to take advantage of the tools the game offers you:
1. Play on Hard. (Obviously.)
2. Equip a Cursed Ring. This accessory disables the DMW, and with it limit breaks, status bonuses, level-ups. You can get one for free as early as Chapter 2 by
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3. Keep materia/accessory use to a minimum.
4. Don't expect to beat a ton of side missions without gaining powerful items and ample experience--only 1-1-1, the first tutorial mission, is mandatory. If you want a challenge you need to be willing to forgo certain rewards. It's up to you to manage Zack in a way that suits your desired playing experience.
Concerning the complaints about the leveling system being tied to the DMW: Too many posters seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that levels matter in this game as much as they do in most RPGs. Please note that the key to kicking ass in Crisis Core lies almost exclusively in the Materia Fusion system, which is complemented by accessories. By the way, click here if you want some insight into the invisible EXP system that governs leveling up--it isn't exactly random.
To the people bitching about the ease of Crisis Core, there are a number of solutions if you're willing to bother yourselves to take advantage of the tools the game offers you:
1. Play on Hard. (Obviously.)
2. Equip a Cursed Ring. This accessory disables the DMW, and with it limit breaks, status bonuses, level-ups. You can get one for free as early as Chapter 2 by
checking the locker next to Kunsel twenty times
3. Keep materia/accessory use to a minimum.
4. Don't expect to beat a ton of side missions without gaining powerful items and ample experience--only 1-1-1, the first tutorial mission, is mandatory. If you want a challenge you need to be willing to forgo certain rewards. It's up to you to manage Zack in a way that suits your desired playing experience.
CrushDance
Banned
You're evil.Y2Kev said:
badcrumble
Member
Gotta say guys, the video after the end credits certainly got me thinking. And Believing.
I can't even count the times I have had to explain to people that Cloud isn't "emo" or anything even remotely that way. I guess it's a FF main-meme more than FFVII-meme.
Easily my favourite FF-main character. He's just so phased out and sometimes he feels like a complete weirdo :lol
Of course AC did everything in it's power to kill Cloud :/ I hope CC doesn't back it up.
Easily my favourite FF-main character. He's just so phased out and sometimes he feels like a complete weirdo :lol
Of course AC did everything in it's power to kill Cloud :/ I hope CC doesn't back it up.
sevenchaos
Banned
I need to beat this game ASAP!badcrumble said:
badcrumble said:
I just chuckled at the video but it was very clever how they seguewayed from the ending to what we saw. I did think some of the CGI work that they reused from FFVII advent children were also really well implement. This is one amazing looking psp title.
I think they sort of nailed cloud's character... a bit. But looking at a gackt faced teenager as Cloud takes a lot of getting use to and still does. They love their womanly men
Angeal was really nice and they need more men like that in the FF games.I'm done with the game and moved on to Puzzle Quest (AMAZING GAME) but I wonder which of the summons I missed.
DMV summons I got
cactus/caith sith/tonberry/bahamut/ifrit/odin
so I'm guessing I missed chocobo /moogles / shiva? - wondered what the funny bird like summon was
so I'm guessing I missed chocobo /moogles / shiva? - wondered what the funny bird like summon was
InsertCredit
Member
Just finished it.
Holy cow, what an ending. a real tearjerker :lol
Loved the game through and through. It's solid battle system, mixed with fantastic visuals and a damn fine score coupled with perfect handheld gameplay.. boy oh boy.
Holy cow, what an ending. a real tearjerker :lol
Loved the game through and through. It's solid battle system, mixed with fantastic visuals and a damn fine score coupled with perfect handheld gameplay.. boy oh boy.
I'll never let Cloud date Aerith again. She's Zacks baby
Can anyone explain Lazard's storyline? He seems to be really irrelevant to the events of CC.
Also,
Also,
What's the significance of Loveless? Is it some sort of prophetic telling of the events of CC and FF7? I'll admit that I couldn't make any sense of Genesis's ramblings. At first he was trying to prevent his genetic degradation, but after the time jump 4 years later, he was going on about returning to the lifestream, and Minerva(lifestream goddess?) denied him that. Then Genesis quotes that the hero will make his comeback... Is he talking about himself? Cloud? English please!
spindoc said:
Lezard, I"m not quite sure... might have to replay it. He wanted revenge against the Hollander, and had turned into an angeal clone. Other than that.... *shrugs*
Loveless was just horrible. Making up a play just to make allusions to is retarded. If they had taken it from a real literary work that would of been something... but it's not clever if you make up a story to compare it to another made up story.
Regardless, as the comeback he meant himself. And he does at the end of Dirge.
Loveless was just horrible. Making up a play just to make allusions to is retarded. If they had taken it from a real literary work that would of been something... but it's not clever if you make up a story to compare it to another made up story.
Regardless, as the comeback he meant himself. And he does at the end of Dirge.
InsertCredit said:Just finished it.
I'll never let Cloud date Aerith again. She's Zacks baby
Damn straight.
Though..
I believe in an Ultimania it was said that Aerith had stronger feeling for Cloud
WtW Suzaku
Member
spindoc said:
Lazard is the director of SOLDIER, the illegitimate son of President Shinra, and Rufus Shinra's half brother. He's apparantly not particularily skilled at his job, and it's implied that his connection with the old man was the reason behind his rapid promotions, likely to keep the truth about his conception a secret. He was hoping to become Vice President, but when the position went to Rufus, he started funding Hollander's bid for revenge against the Shinra company. Like many of the other characters, according to official company records (and coverups), he was killed in action. The truth is he lived on, and ended up helping Zack and Cloud in the end.
Loveless is an epic poem of unknown origins, perhaps dating back as far as to the time of the Ancients. It's missing the final act, and so the meaning of the story has been debated by scholars for quite some time, and many people have their own theories and conclusions. Hojo even researced it for some time, but in the end believed it was nonsense with no factual basis. The greatest question regarding the poem is what the Gift of the Goddess is.
One of Genesis' hobbies is researching the poem, and he becomes fairly obsessed with the concept of the Gift of the Goddess, to the extent that during the course of the game, he tries to recreate the events of the poem in order to figure out what it means.
In the end, it's revealed that there is some factual basis to the tale, and the Goddess is a real entity, known as Minerva, which is similar to a summoned creature, in some regards. Minerva is the collective will of the Lifestream, so to speak. When Genesis is defeated by Zack in the Lifestream-flooded caverns beneath Banora, he essentially comes to his senses and regains his pride as a SOLDIER, coming to the conclusion that his true interpretation of the "Gift of the Goddess" is the ability to carry out his duty.
Therefore, his strong drive to overcome degeneration, and the innevitable death it will lead to, summons Minerva to him. Minerva judges him, and the will of the lifestream is that he has much left to do, and cures his degeneration, allowing him to surmount death and carry out his duty.
Genesis eventually decides that, with Angeal and Sephiroth dead, he is the only one left to protect the Planet, so he seals himself in a cavern beneath Midgar to await for a crisis to threaten the world and awaken him. So, in a bit of a twist, his seemingly forboding appearance at the end of Dirge of Cerberus should be reinterpreted, as he's actually emerging to protect the Planet, whatever that entails.
I'd suggest checking out the translations at http://ultimania.ff7compilation.net/, especially the CC Scenario Q&A and CC Complete Guide Goddess information.
One of Genesis' hobbies is researching the poem, and he becomes fairly obsessed with the concept of the Gift of the Goddess, to the extent that during the course of the game, he tries to recreate the events of the poem in order to figure out what it means.
In the end, it's revealed that there is some factual basis to the tale, and the Goddess is a real entity, known as Minerva, which is similar to a summoned creature, in some regards. Minerva is the collective will of the Lifestream, so to speak. When Genesis is defeated by Zack in the Lifestream-flooded caverns beneath Banora, he essentially comes to his senses and regains his pride as a SOLDIER, coming to the conclusion that his true interpretation of the "Gift of the Goddess" is the ability to carry out his duty.
Therefore, his strong drive to overcome degeneration, and the innevitable death it will lead to, summons Minerva to him. Minerva judges him, and the will of the lifestream is that he has much left to do, and cures his degeneration, allowing him to surmount death and carry out his duty.
Genesis eventually decides that, with Angeal and Sephiroth dead, he is the only one left to protect the Planet, so he seals himself in a cavern beneath Midgar to await for a crisis to threaten the world and awaken him. So, in a bit of a twist, his seemingly forboding appearance at the end of Dirge of Cerberus should be reinterpreted, as he's actually emerging to protect the Planet, whatever that entails.
I'd suggest checking out the translations at http://ultimania.ff7compilation.net/, especially the CC Scenario Q&A and CC Complete Guide Goddess information.
Loveless was in the original FFVII, and I rather liked them expanding on it in Crisis Core and tying it into the plot.
dammitmattt
Banned
WtW Suzaku said:
I haven't listened to it in a while, but I will again after I finish Crisis Core to see if there are any parallels.
badcrumble
Member
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure I saw a scene at the end of the game whereWtW Suzaku said:
Shinra people who are pretty clearly supposed to be a part of Deep Ground or something come and pick him up
he seemed pretty fucking sinister in Dirge of Cerberus
Riskbreaker23
Member
really liking the game so far. falling into the trap of doing too many mission and making the main story easy.
i guess that alright though because i want to beat the super boss.
im starting to like zack more than cloud although he'll never appear in another SE game. (unless he is in birth by sleep or a secret character in dissidia).
i guess that alright though because i want to beat the super boss.
im starting to like zack more than cloud although he'll never appear in another SE game. (unless he is in birth by sleep or a secret character in dissidia).
WtW Suzaku
Member
The website is a project currently undertaken by the staff of the Compilation Network. All of the stuff on the website is translated from from official Square-Enix Ultimania mooks, or the newer Crisis Core Complete Guide.spindoc said:
Final Fantasy VII -10th Anniversary- Ultimania
Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII- Ultimania
Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII- The Complete Guide
Yes, I'm sure.badcrumble said:
The two Deep Ground SOLDIERs who pick him up are Weiss and Nero, and are credited as such. They wonder if he will join him, though the Crisis Core Ultimania's Scenario Q&A states that Genesis declines to join them, and, in order to protect the Planet, seals himself in a flooded chamber beneath Midgar to prepare for some unknown future crisis.
Picked up the game yesterday, I'm about 2 hours in and I've fallen into doing the first glut of missions you get to do. They just keep unlocking, I can't help myself! :lol I'm liking the game so far, but I'll be damned if the PSP doesn't give me eyestrain something fierce. I guess I'll break out the component cable.
monkeylite
Member
As much as I wanted to wait for the EU LE version, I broke down and ordered the US version. Should be here any day now... Still going to get the LE version but only once I complete and resell the US copy first.
I just started playing this, not even out of Wutai yet... the presentation is absolutely INCREDIBLE, it's by far the best looking game on the platform, and the music is great, too. But I can't get into the battle system, seems way too button-mashy and repetitive And the DMW system just seems annoying and an afterthought. Why couldn't they have just given us level ups the old fashioned way?
And the DMW system just seems annoying and an afterthought. Why couldn't they have just given us level ups the old fashioned way?whiterabbit
Member
dammitmattt said:
I haven't listened to it in a while, but I will again after I finish Crisis Core to see if there are any parallels.
Yes! My Bloody Valentine is awesome. I think the Loveless album is just coincidence. Sweet album though.
Red Blaster
Member
Kitase and co. are allegedly big My Bloody Valentine fans.
They should commission Kevin Shields to write the ending theme for FFXIII.
They should commission Kevin Shields to write the ending theme for FFXIII.
Dead Prince
Banned
IDK. I just managed to useRonok said:
Ifrit
KolosLazar16
Member
I feel like playing this game. I loved FF7 and enjoyed Advent Children. Should I play this game? Is it long/worth the money? Thanks.
greatestjediever
Member
Ronok said:
Its purely anecdotal but I did tend to get more summon dmw's as I unlocked more summons. I'm not sure if having more unlocked summons raises the probability of the dmw wheel landing on one (or if they are separately determined).
rollingstart
Banned
I am still at the start of the game and pretty much have just been doing missions for 2 hours.
My main problem so far is how large they make the enemies hp. I could swing for 20 seconds straight and do 1500+ critical damage to an enemy and I still would need to keep swinging. Also, fuck random battles. In the mission I was just playing now, I finished one battle only to turn around and run into another random battle. I didnt even walk, all he did was turn from one direction to the other, such bullshit. What pisses me off is that they have enemies that stand in the overworld, so why couldent they just have several of those instead of random? I mean, grinding also sucks considering things seem random for leveling up.
So far I am kind of enjoying it, but I havent really done more other than the missions, so maybe im just getting rid of the boring parts early on.
My main problem so far is how large they make the enemies hp. I could swing for 20 seconds straight and do 1500+ critical damage to an enemy and I still would need to keep swinging. Also, fuck random battles. In the mission I was just playing now, I finished one battle only to turn around and run into another random battle. I didnt even walk, all he did was turn from one direction to the other, such bullshit. What pisses me off is that they have enemies that stand in the overworld, so why couldent they just have several of those instead of random? I mean, grinding also sucks considering things seem random for leveling up.
So far I am kind of enjoying it, but I havent really done more other than the missions, so maybe im just getting rid of the boring parts early on.
Pt2 Tabata interview up on SE page
Q.
Is the Compilation of FINAL FANTASY VII complete, or are there more projects in the works?
Tabata:
the story of CRISIS CORE will continue in FINAL FANTASY VII. At the same time, it does not signify the end of the FINAL FANTASY VII saga.
Q. Given the amount of success that the FINAL FANTASY VII franchise has attained, what is the likelihood of another FINAL FANTASY VII-related movie to be produced?
Tabata: I would not discount the possibility.
Q.
CRISIS CORE ends with the words To be continued.
Tabata:
The To be continued at the end means that
Q. Given the amount of success that the FINAL FANTASY VII franchise has attained, what is the likelihood of another FINAL FANTASY VII-related movie to be produced?
Tabata: I would not discount the possibility.
sevenchaos
Banned
I just met
. I love this game.
Cloud
The battles aren't random rather they are triggered in the more open areas. If you want to avoid most of the battles hug the walls.Linkzg said:
What Materia combos are people using?
I am having a lot of success using Dark Firaga - Mastered, it seems to work extremely well. I haven't found any ____ blade combos to work well enough to justify using them, most of them are too slow to execute when compared to just whacking away at enemies with normal attack.
I am having a lot of success using Dark Firaga - Mastered, it seems to work extremely well. I haven't found any ____ blade combos to work well enough to justify using them, most of them are too slow to execute when compared to just whacking away at enemies with normal attack.
badcrumble
Member
Your Materia tend to level up more on Hard, so it balances out somewhat as you continue on in the game, especially since it means you can SP-convert to make yourself overpowered that much more easily.toneroni said: