But these people weren't acting suspiciously. That's the point people are making. Yes, you should report suspicious behavior no matter what race they are. Having Arabic on your phone is not suspicious behavior and should not be reported.
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Three Muslim Siblings booted off plane because text on phone was in Arabic
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They three siblings did nothing wrong.
The person who complained was in the wrong.
As I said from the start.
Clay Davis
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If this were remotely true white men in America would the most villainized group in the country by law enforcement and the media as they've shown time and again to predominantly be the perpetrators of mass killings.
Are they the most villainized of the groups in America or does the narrative always turn to "what about ethic crime?" Black of Black crime, terrorism, Mexicans and so forth.
An Italian American professor writing out a math equation on a plane, was confused for an Arab terrorist writing a terrorist message in Arabic. You're right, it wouldn't have mattered what language that was seen, so long as the person was brown enough and the writing wasn't using the Latin script.
The Artisan
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Arabic is the language, Arab is the ethnic group. Arabian is the nationality of those from Saudi Arabia. =]
So clearly at some point people just didn't see my first post so I'm going to relink it
I'm not defending this incident.
You're presenting this really disingenuous binary choice wherein we either have to be racist or people will die by comparing a situation where a racist saw a family's color and freaked out and another where a guy actually witnessed verifiable activity that could be reasonably construed as suspicious being performed by people who happen to have been brown. Stop.
Mammoth Jones
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Being muslim in and of itself is not cause for suspicion. Do you agree or disagree with this? If so, why?
Why is it when people say ignorant shit and get taken to the mat for it they put on this victim complex and act like folks here aren't reading their posts, in their entirety?
Yes, you are.
Sure, I took a comparative religions class in college.
But all the texts were translated into English. Hard to get much insight from a language you don't speak.
Fluffernutter Pancake
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This state of paranoia that is developing worldwide will lead us all to a very dark place if it is allowed to continue to develop.
Really not sure how to solve this, other than somehow eradicating the cancer of the world that is ISIS and fundamentalist terrorism in general. However, global politics stands in the way of the people of the world actually doing this......from what I've read, it seems like in many countries, some of our very leaders are actively working against this, because the fear and dissent caused by the presence of this terrorism leads to more power and influence for them.......*sigh*.......
One of the best things we can do is bring these sort of fearful misunderstandings to light, as this thread does....maybe it will help to prevent some future prejudiced situations from happening...
Really not sure how to solve this, other than somehow eradicating the cancer of the world that is ISIS and fundamentalist terrorism in general. However, global politics stands in the way of the people of the world actually doing this......from what I've read, it seems like in many countries, some of our very leaders are actively working against this, because the fear and dissent caused by the presence of this terrorism leads to more power and influence for them.......*sigh*.......
One of the best things we can do is bring these sort of fearful misunderstandings to light, as this thread does....maybe it will help to prevent some future prejudiced situations from happening...
EYEL1NER
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Is this the real translation? I had never seen that bag image before. I like it though, wish I could get it on a shirt or something?
They would be the most villainized group by law enforcement and the media, but they aren't because those same groups are run by and filled with mostly white people.
It's easier and more mentally comfortable for groups of people to ignore their own shortcomings and blame others.
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If this site is reliable (I'm too lazy to go find out more about something that you said)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ie-says-neighbors-san-bernardino-shooters-kn/
the account that the neighbours were afraid of being labelled racist for reporting the san Bernardino shooters is simply untrue or not substantiated.
That's an accurate translation
Slurpy2k20
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This seems completely reasonable, since Arabic is like the 3rd most common language on the planet.
I agree, because there are something like a billion muslims in the world and the type of attacks carried out by muslims only makes up the most tiniest of proportions.
In this case the person who complained was in the wrong because airports have very high security and because what those girls was doing was completely innocent.
That's like the 8th time i've said that.
But I don't care what your skin colour or background is, if you see someone do something actually suspicious, which wasn't the case here, no matter who they are, you should report it rather than fear being labelled racist.
Clay Davis
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Then isn't the argument of media conditioning a flawed one? You can't say it's the media fault and at the same time acknowledge the message they perpetuate is one that isn't unfounded in real facts.
Honestly so many news sites covered it I just took it as gospel but I suppose there may be room for doubt.
Mr. Giggles
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Tha app featured Arabic text, but since the person making accusations said they saw "praise allah" I'm going to assume it did also do translations
Sure you can, the media can be an untruthful, biased piece of propaganda.
But to the viewers unaware or unconcerned by this it still influences their though process.
Just compare a left leaning site to a right leaning site to see the difference in what people from different backgrounds choose to believe and take in.
And more than the media our own experiences in real life can drastically alter people's perception.
Mammoth Jones
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Why do you feel the need to continue to make this point in the context of this thread where that was CLEARLY not the case?
You continuing the make this point in contrast to what you just said that this incident was a bad call and wrong is confusing and makes it seem like you believe the actions of people in this case to see a brown person and cry "terrorist" is justified.
Especially with silly shit like "deal with it".
EYEL1NER
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Thanks. I waited a bit after seeing it to post but I missed the image someone posted on the last page with the translation on it too, which would have confirmed it. I think my brain shut off a bit while scrolling after reading some of the insane posts ITT. "When I see a brown person with a beard and backpack on a train, I move as far away from them as I can, and that's why I'm still alive today." Seriously, what the fuck...?
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I read a few more articles but they don't seem to collaborate. The Aaron Elswick in question (he was the named person who spoke to the media) seems to be the friend of the neighbour who saw things but didn't want to report? And they were talking about the shooter's mother home but not the shooter's home. Some articles made it seem like it was a neighbour who spoke to the media about what he or she saw at the shooter's house. I wouldn't talk this account as accurate or useful in anyway. Seems like just ammo for the conservative side.
freeofgreed
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This is a very inane way of looking at the situation. As if them calling the police would've definitely stopped the shooting from happening.
And yes even if it did, it still would've been racist. Even if it was justifiable in the end that doesn't suddenly make it not be racist. Because they still saw a Muslim family doing
Does a cop stop and frisking 100 people and finding a gun on 1 of them, change the fact that they profiled 100 people (99 of whom were innocent) on no basis other than skin tone?
Like I said you can argue justification all you, but discrimination is still discrimination, point blank.
EDIT: And int he case of the SB shooting had the neighbors actually seen them doing something suspicious yes, then by all means call the cops. But seeing them come home late and move shit into their house is not suspicious whatsoever, and there's no reason a cop should be called in that case.
Gotdatmoney
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What does this have to do with anything? The entire implication of this thread of accusing people of being suspicious entirely because of their race. Noone gives a shit if actually suspicious activity is reported as suspicious. Why do you feel like pointing this out says anything of value?
If the basis of your suspicion is someone's race makes theit activities suspicious you're a racist. It doesn't matter whether you end up being correct, you're a racist. And the police should not entertain accusations without a shred of legitimate proof. I know its cool to accuse minorities of wrong doing for living normal lives but it shouldmt be entertained. At all.
Suspicious activity needs to be more than, they come and go at various times of the day.
You know your world view is fucked when you worry more about being perceived as a racist than actually being one.
I'm not trying to make it confusing so I'll try again.
This incident, bad, wrong.
Refusing to report actual suspicious behaviour because of being perceived as racist, also wrong.
I'm not equating it to this incident, only to other potential legitimate incidents.
You don't know much about Muslims do you? Lol
A good majority of Muslims can read and recite verses from the Qu'ran without actually knowing any Arabic. It's because they have to pray in that language. Many actually memorise the entire Qu'ran without knowing what any of it means. So them having that app isn't surprising at all.
freeofgreed
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Is anyone actually arguing against this? Obviously if something is suspicious report it. But if it's suspicious because of the persons (race, religion, ethncity etc...) and not because of the actual action. Then that is profiling.
So you admit that your example was a red herring that has nothing with the topic at hand?
If they grew up in a Western country they were probably speaking english, since that's how most siblings South Asians communicate between siblings.
as for having the Quran app in Arabic? Well, the Quran is in Arabic. That's how everybody learns how to read it, in Arabic.
People saying better safe than sorry should try living like a minority.
When I first read this I was expecting it based in America but turned out to be in the UK. Luckily I'm flying out with Emirates in September so I doubt I'll be stopped as one of those pesky brown people.
Shame those three had to endure this though, the UK has changed
When I first read this I was expecting it based in America but turned out to be in the UK. Luckily I'm flying out with Emirates in September so I doubt I'll be stopped as one of those pesky brown people.
Shame those three had to endure this though, the UK has changed
If it means we can move on yes.
Catholics recite shit in Latin. How many people speak fluent Latin?
Violence Jack
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This is dumb. I almost want to say that something should happen to these people who report brown skinned people and delaying the flights because of their own preconceived notions. Just like the brown skinned man who was kicked off his flight for doing math, or the one who was reported for speaking Arabic on his phone before the flight took off. I get that passenger safety is paramount, but there should be something in place to hold those people accountable for their reporting as well. Better yet, maybe the airlines first move shouldn't be to immediately yank someone off of a flight.
Lamel
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What happens if these hyper-paranoid people board a flight on Emirates/Etihad etc., an airline filled with brown people of all sorts and even arabic writing in the videos and the language on the PA system. They would probably shit themselves.
Look at the siblings in the pic in the article, such shady and suspicious looking people man. Wow they have arabic on their phone? A language spoken by 400+ million people? SUSPICIOUS!
It is very normal. You've learned something new today.
Look at the siblings in the pic in the article, such shady and suspicious looking people man. Wow they have arabic on their phone? A language spoken by 400+ million people? SUSPICIOUS!
It is very normal. You've learned something new today.
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Or if they one day decide to visit a country like Singapore, Malaysia or Indonesia.
aygomyownroad
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Yeah read about this today.
Treated like shite. Its no wonder so many feel shunned.
I think that this is how it will be for a long time. Cry wolf when you see an Asian claiming they are Isis.
They deserve a better apology and compensation for the embarrassment
Treated like shite. Its no wonder so many feel shunned.
I think that this is how it will be for a long time. Cry wolf when you see an Asian claiming they are Isis.
They deserve a better apology and compensation for the embarrassment
Its true. All of it.
Seriously, non Arabic speaking Muslims will learn verses and not know any Arabic. It's quite common.
This is what happens when you give authority and control to stupid people.
Any moron on a plane can complain they think some brown, aka "suspicious", passenger is doing something that makes them think they are terrorist. I feel like the staff have to take that complaint seriously, no matter how stupid it may be. Because of that you might delay or cancel the flight for an entire plane and terrify and further inconvenience whichever innocent people were suspected of being terrorists all because we listened to an idiot who is seeing things that are not really there.
Any moron on a plane can complain they think some brown, aka "suspicious", passenger is doing something that makes them think they are terrorist. I feel like the staff have to take that complaint seriously, no matter how stupid it may be. Because of that you might delay or cancel the flight for an entire plane and terrify and further inconvenience whichever innocent people were suspected of being terrorists all because we listened to an idiot who is seeing things that are not really there.
Gotdatmoney
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Taking the complaint seriously is taking the accuser.off the flight and asking for proof or evidence. Honestly, this shit shouldnt be entertained without actual evidemce backing the suspicion.
It's no different then white people calling the police on blacks because "he was acting suspicious" when they are literally just doing normal people shit.
The better safe than sorry people are actually arguimg "better to be racist and embarass a minority than live with our irrational fear".
i think you have to take it seriously. How do the staff and police know the accuser was an idiot?
Once it is clear that it is bullshit they should probably also take the accuser off the plane and lay into him/her for a few minutes telling them to stop wasting everyones time and not to make false or baseless accusations before sending everyone on their way.
Ethered.
peteykirch
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That's what happens when this guy is running the Immigration Dept at an Airport
They don't have to be from Saudi Arabia. People from the Arabian peninsula, the Levant, and north Africa might call themselves Arab.
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