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Twitch Donation Drama: Donator takes back $11,000 in donations
- Thread starter KillerIsJed
- Start date
You know there's actual list of jobs that are recognized by the government of a country, right?
In my line of work we have an excellent benefit package. Health coverage, dental, eyewear etc. What sort of package would sitting on my ass all day in my bedroom playing video games hoping for random donations from strangers get me? If the options there are better, I'll start streaming "full time".
People scam me after I ship them products, with chargebacks and I lose the money and the product. You are being scammed for people giving you money for nothing. Maybe hold on to some of that coin before you blow it all.
Except during the Superbowl there would be popups every time someone bought a new lexus and the players would stop the game to thank them.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Because 30 days are plenty of time to realize if you have charges that are fraudulent.
I might agree with a tad longer, basically the longest period of time from which it is certain to appear on your statement.
If you are just paying your credit cards and NOT looking at the statements, something is wrong with you.
RandyBobandy
Banned
Pretty much. Like I said, it's basically a charity, because you're not guaranteed income
If you don't have skills (and aren't a LoL girl), then you have to have charisma*
*yelling, memes, being funny to people somehow, and good at making people feel a part of something.
you just need thousands of subscribers
I wish my job at 14 gave me health, vision, and dental. I am fucking lucky at 26 to have that.
The topic change from a kid got scam $750 dollar to "He shouldn't stream game for money, he should get a real job", good job driver. How about focus the point of this thread ? IE Paypal being completely shit, the guy who made the charge back is an ass. Please don't be bitter when other people can make money on what they like to do.
^ To the guy who said they have benefit, what are you trying to prove ? You have a better insurance than a 14 years old kid, congrats. Also, i think TotalBiscuit got better insurance than you and all he do is playing videos game and host a talk show on Twitch.
^ To the guy who said they have benefit, what are you trying to prove ? You have a better insurance than a 14 years old kid, congrats. Also, i think TotalBiscuit got better insurance than you and all he do is playing videos game and host a talk show on Twitch.
SwiftDeath
Member
Eh that's the general 60 day "billing error" rules as the 1 year requires a lot more on the consumers part to be refunded.
60 days is better for consumers in case whatever it is you purchased breaks between the 30 day and 60 day mark and/or delivery of the goods occurs in that 30 - 60 day window
At this point though we're arguing semantics because it could be anything from 10 days to 100 days and people could make compelling examples
To some degree, yes. But it's all about getting your name out there. Again, I've been streaming for almost 2 years and by no means am I popular. The 1st part is limited to getting your name out there. I completely agree with the 2nd but again, you can be oozing charisma but if no one notices you, it's all for naught.
POWERSPHERE
Banned
Who the hell would donate to watch someone play games? 2014 is a weird place.
They don't actually owe anything though.Paypal will take out whatever is in the balance now, but they can't take the money out of bank accounts or charge credit cards if I recall. At most they'll just lose their accounts. It sucks, but not really a cause worth donating to for me.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
A friend of mine told me the same thing.
I don't think it's so much about the person playing the game as it's about the community surrounding it within that channel.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
They don't file with a collections agency?
It's a shame and I feel bad for the streamers who got burned...
....but if you're going to claim this is your job, you'd better educate yourself, quickly, on what chargebacks are, how they work, as well as fraud and the fraud rights of customers.
I hope the streamers, especially the young ones, get back on their feet quickly.
....but if you're going to claim this is your job, you'd better educate yourself, quickly, on what chargebacks are, how they work, as well as fraud and the fraud rights of customers.
I hope the streamers, especially the young ones, get back on their feet quickly.
I don't even know why but when it come to streamer, youtuber, ect ... people always acting this way.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Idk why people are arguing about streaming donations basically being a beggar's income or not, it doesn't really matter to the topic (paypal refunds)
We could make a seperate thread about it and have a lot of fun talking about that.
And again why are people talking about a 14 year old's income and job prospects, what does a 14 year old need an income for?
The kid (and the adults, and the op) should not ( or should not have) spend/t their paypal money unless they have a reserve to pay for refunds, it's dumb as hell.
Refunds exist for a good reason (fraud protection and consumer protection)
In this case a 15 yo kid spent money that wasn't his to spend most likely (parents' credit card)
imo system working as intended, no real victims (just bad choices), much ado about nothing.
We could make a seperate thread about it and have a lot of fun talking about that.
And again why are people talking about a 14 year old's income and job prospects, what does a 14 year old need an income for?
The kid (and the adults, and the op) should not ( or should not have) spend/t their paypal money unless they have a reserve to pay for refunds, it's dumb as hell.
Refunds exist for a good reason (fraud protection and consumer protection)
In this case a 15 yo kid spent money that wasn't his to spend most likely (parents' credit card)
imo system working as intended, no real victims (just bad choices), much ado about nothing.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I've seen plenty of ways to make a living that probably aren't recognized by the government. Like streaming for instance. Or commissions and freelancing.
Yea, some streamers do stream full time. 8 hours a day and are able to make a living off of it. Including sponsorships, and even trips to get hands on time with games that are unavailable to the public. Just an example of this would be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwbxI_pQ6aU
^ he streams full time, and gets most of his income from donations, subscriptions, etc.
Yeah, what kind of fucked up person would give money to support someone who does a thing that they kind entertaining? That is literally the sickest thing I have ever heard.
I'd like to see this list.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Some people have very large amounts of disposable income..and are very generous with said disposable income...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wY03K7LrbM
That's insane. But honestly, just be a general bad ass and kind to people. Success will follow!
CrashPrime
Member
Working for donations is a dangerous line of work for this exact reason, but it sucks for a 14 yr old kid who didn't understand how it works.
What I don't understand how he had a PayPal account in the first place tho. Good luck collecting the funds PayPal.
What I don't understand how he had a PayPal account in the first place tho. Good luck collecting the funds PayPal.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Exactly my point.
I was sort of joking. I say this because I know a lot of awesome guys/girls and it's not that easy.
Fleshfeast
Member
Does sending money through Paypal as a gift prevent the money from being taken back? I saw a streamer this morning suggesting people should send money as a gift because it doesn't get taxed, but now I'm wondering if he was just worried about charge-backs.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Oops!
Relaxed Muscle
Member
The same kind of people that would give money to street performers since god knows when?
No. You forfeit basically all protection through Paypal when using the gift option, but still possible to chargeback if a CC was used to send the payment.
I think only someone VERY well off would be able to do such a thing. Most people live off the money they have right now, or paycheck to paycheck.
Why is a 14 year old taking donations online, and using those funds without the supervision of an adult that would know better?
So, some kid used funds from his parents credit cards without consent (probably), and they took their money back.
Paypal's not gonna do anything about it, if the dispute is real.
Streamers learned a lesson about not relying on donations as real income. They should at the least have let that money sit in paypal account for a couple of months before even thinking of using it.
Things like this is why Twitch will probably institute their own donation system soon, and ban outside systems.
So, some kid used funds from his parents credit cards without consent (probably), and they took their money back.
Paypal's not gonna do anything about it, if the dispute is real.
Streamers learned a lesson about not relying on donations as real income. They should at the least have let that money sit in paypal account for a couple of months before even thinking of using it.
Things like this is why Twitch will probably institute their own donation system soon, and ban outside systems.
Many of them did, some of these charges went bad after 50+ days.
You mean they learned a lesson that scumbags will scam them?
Why shouldn't they rely on it as "real income" if they make enough to live off of? What's with this prejudice against people who make money off the internet?
If this guy is really 14, I'd tell PayPal to pound sand. He's a minor and not legally responsible for his agreement with PayPal. I'm really surprised that PayPal lets minors have accounts with them. For this same reason, I wouldn't donate to this guy. He'll be able to avoid liability for his debt.
silvermember
Banned
Freelancers don't have guaranteed jobs.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Not the easiest. But being nice definitely helps.I was sort of joking. I say this because I know a lot of awesome guys/girls and it's not that easy.
Unless you're one of the guys who're popular due to cynicism/rage, or frage.
But while it helps, unless you're on the front-page of a specific game, those people get passed over. See now I can't understand the douchey part. While we all rage at some point in our lives, watching someone do it constantly would get quite boring.
Fraudulent donations were refunded. I can't see how anyone can really blame paypal in this instance. It seems more like a bunch of people didn't realize the possibility of chargebacks. It seems like the best practice for streamers would be to hold the funds in "escrow" until the chargeback window is past.