the Ouya one should be interesting
There's an easy solution. Don't fund projects like these that are obviously scams.
I thought I heard that the Ouya has already shipped or being shipped to backers.on what basis do you believe Ouya will fail to deliver?
Badly written where every sentence ends like this! And computer graphics from the 80s. Also pointing out other successful kickstarters to leach some success. Also backed by a nobody who has done nothing but make up a company name. How isn't it obvious?Was it obvious? How so?
Real question.
How do you tell what's a scam and what isn't on Kickstarter?
They dont have a case afaik. Ks is an investment/donation.
They dont have a case afaik. Ks is an investment/donation.
Sorry, but that's BS. No one said this could never happen. We said that if you choose your Kickstarter projects carefully, the chances of this happening are low.Lots of us were calling this when the craze started, but all the Kickstarter defenders said that this would never happen because of protections in place.
They dont have a case afaik. Ks is an investment/donation.
Kickstarter is a platform where Project Creators run campaigns to fund creative projects by offering rewards to raise money from Backers. By creating a fundraising campaign on Kickstarter, you as the Project Creator are offering the public the opportunity to enter into a contract with you. By backing a fundraising campaign on Kickstarter, you as the Backer accept that offer and the contract between Backer and Project Creator is formed. Kickstarter is not a party to that agreement between the Backer and Project Creator. All dealings are solely between Users.
- Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill.
- Project Creators may cancel or refund a Backer’s pledge at any time and for any reason, and if they do so, are not required to fulfill the reward.
Are there even protections?
Kickstarter at no point calls it donations. The terms of service expressly say that the money you pledge is a guarantee of receiving the promised rewards or money back. When you pledge you are entering into a contract between you and the creator.
Lots of us were calling this when the craze started, but all the Kickstarter defenders said that this would never happen because of protections in place.
I think they will deliver but it will be a year or more later than it was scheduled to be, which is why I stopped backing them.on what basis do you believe Ouya will fail to deliver?
No it isn't. At least by the current wording on the site.
http://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use?ref=footer
It is pretty much that you have a contract, but Kickstarter itself won't do anything to help you enforce it. It seems to me that should be plenty for a case.
I don't remember anyone saying anything of the sorts, so I would love to see you back your post up with some examples.
There doesn't seem to be any hard evidence that the creator has abandoned the project, all we have are hearsay from backers. Sure it's a smoking gun that the creator hasn't been updating the backers but for all we know he could have been in an accident and is in a coma.
I think they will deliver but it will be a year or more later than it was scheduled to be, which is why I stopped backing them.
I have backed 19 projects this year and I have got items from 5 of them and I expect another 3 of them to send me the items in another couple months, the rest I don't expect till next year or so but I am not worried.
I know what to expect from kickstarter and If it's somthing I am wary of them I will not back it.
Sorry, but that's BS. No one said this could never happen. We said that if you choose your Kickstarter projects carefully, the chances of this happening are low.
As much as silly people like you want it, this simply doesn't negate Kickstarter as a viable solution for funding indie games.
When they talk about how he spent money foolishly, what do they mean? Did he actively con or did he invest it or something?
Not trying to defend him, just curious.
Kickstarter will be fine. Crowdfunding is too perfect for videogames to be killed by the occasional scam.I plan on getting a kickstarter going in the next couple of months so I'm hoping KS can keep a decent reputation between now and then.
Kickstarter will be fine. Crowdfunding is too perfect for videogames to be killed by the occasional scam.
Lol swag, this model will soon fail.
MAYBE the non-bolded could be a hint to signs of a scam but the bolded is totally unfair to the very people that Kickstarter was created for.Badly written where every sentence ends like this! And computer graphics from the 80s. Also pointing out other successful kickstarters to leach some success. Also backed by a nobody who has done nothing but make up a company name. How isn't it obvious?
Which is good, glad they are getting on time than.They already shipped devkits on time. That's "deliver" to me.
I'm shocked there hasn't been an outright scam case yet, but how are they determining he used the money recklessly?
What if you genuinely set out to fulfill the promises, but end up using the money and can't deliver anything?
This isn't the first instance of a Kickstarter grab-and-run: this one ended 18 months ago with $343k and backers haven't received anything at all -- not even reward tier incentives, let alone the actual glasses. Some unsatisfied backers even started a blog/forum.
MAYBE the non bolded could be a hint but the bolded is totally unfair to the very people that Kickstarter was created for. Are the only people who deserve to be funded people who are so well known and successful that they don't really need funding?
on what basis do you believe Ouya will fail to deliver?
I'm shocked there hasn't been an outright scam case yet, but how are they determining he used the money recklessly?
What if you genuinely set out to fulfill the promises, but end up using the money and can't deliver anything?
I mean if they do manage to release on time that's just the start of the problem. A console with a small 50,000 userbase, fragmenting android even more, piracy is probably gonna be rife...I'm just not sure who is going to bother with it at all
Lots of us were calling this when the craze started, but all the Kickstarter defenders said that this would never happen because of protections in place.