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Which Console is "Saved" More at E3: Vita or WiiU?
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dugdug
Banned
This is quite possibly the worst week you could have made this statement.
Funny how people seem more forgiving to a Sony piece of hardware, but then I remember where I'm posting.
BRocknRolla
Member
There are a wide variety of reasons you could attribute to the Vita's failings. As it stands, I think that ship has sailed and you'll see continued token support along with indie and Japanese titles, but no more AAA releases. That's fine by me, and I think Sony is happy enough to let that be the future given their much bigger and successful PS4 endeavor.
Nintendo on the other hand is seeing their brand languish. While their handheld sales have kept them propped for a while, that's not going to continue for much longer since even those sales are flagging too. Nintendo needs their next big hit. The Wii U is really the only option if they aren't ready for new handheld hardware. Will Nintendo push the Wii U hard during E3? I have my doubts because I have zero idea what Nintendo is doing anymore, but I really think they NEED to do something big during E3.
Get out of here with this BS. If you've got nothing of substance to say, go somewhere else.
Nintendo on the other hand is seeing their brand languish. While their handheld sales have kept them propped for a while, that's not going to continue for much longer since even those sales are flagging too. Nintendo needs their next big hit. The Wii U is really the only option if they aren't ready for new handheld hardware. Will Nintendo push the Wii U hard during E3? I have my doubts because I have zero idea what Nintendo is doing anymore, but I really think they NEED to do something big during E3.
Get out of here with this BS. If you've got nothing of substance to say, go somewhere else.
Schweinehund
Member
Nintendo has more on the line with Wii U than sony does the Vita.
well it hasn't happened yet...I really doubt there's a future for the Vita. the only territory where it isn't completely irrelevant is Japan and that's because it's only halfway irrelevant there.
DrROBschiz
Member
It literally has a solid lineup of software (that people are buying in decent amounts) going well into 2015
It will at least be around that long if not longer
Nothing major will happen with the Vita at E3. Maybe you will get one or two indie developers make an announcement in the booths but that's it. TGS and stuff like that is where you want to be looking for Vita announcements.
The WiiU on the other hand will be Nintendo's main focus at E3, almost certainly.
As for the Vita being boosted by the PS4, yes it will be but not by much. That is a very niche feature at best.
The WiiU on the other hand will be Nintendo's main focus at E3, almost certainly.
As for the Vita being boosted by the PS4, yes it will be but not by much. That is a very niche feature at best.
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
It is a big deal since software sales will be limited if Vita consoles are not being sold. You sell more Vitas, you sell more Vita games. Trust me, there is a very strong correlation between the two.
GameGuru59
Banned
Wii U should have Zelda ready, right? And X should be ready to be shown too. There's those two things at least, in addition to whatever else Nintendo's got up their sleeve by now.
Kacho
Member
What sort of time frame are we talking here? I've seen others say that remote play will help move Vita's and looking at yesterday's NPD numbers, that hardly seems to be the case.
DrROBschiz
Member
If they profit and see steady growth (as they have stated) then I dont see what the problem is
Its not making PS4 money but it honestly doesn't need to.
Its serving its new intended audience and isn't costing them money. Where is the problem?
GO play one
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Yes.
Jaded Alyx
Member
define "great"
Apophis2036
Banned
I actually think Nintendo will "win" E3 this year if they have a conference.
New Zelda, info blowout on X, more Bayo 2, NFC game, more Smash character reveals, some new software announcements, potential price drop to $249. There could also be the reveal of QoL or their new handheld.
New Zelda, info blowout on X, more Bayo 2, NFC game, more Smash character reveals, some new software announcements, potential price drop to $249. There could also be the reveal of QoL or their new handheld.
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
Exactly. I can't believe people still haven't realized that the success of the PS4 is not helping the Vita. We know the PS4 sold more than 311k units, whereas the Vita only sold 10k. Even if we were to assume that a majority of those 10k were sold alongside a PS4 for remote play, that's still less than a 3% attach rate. People just are not interested in the Vita.
Forearm Star
Member
Some of the responses don't make much sense in here. I'd imagine the wiiu would have more saving as it's nintendos main console. Unless they plan to announce a new console there's no way they don't have something to show to make people think twice about it. A new Zelda, more Mario kart and smash, heck Bayo 2 and X are all games people are looking forward to seeing.
That being said though what's with the Sony won't do anything for vita? They announced 3 games this week from their own first party studio that will be making it way to the system. As well as more games they'll be adding to the library be it ports or what have you. Sure they aren't the announcements you want, but it isn't the bastard step child you're all making it seem to be.
That being said though what's with the Sony won't do anything for vita? They announced 3 games this week from their own first party studio that will be making it way to the system. As well as more games they'll be adding to the library be it ports or what have you. Sure they aren't the announcements you want, but it isn't the bastard step child you're all making it seem to be.
You shouldn't be surprised. We'll see a lot of threads this week using the Vita to prop the Wii U as a potential success (lol). We'll also see the Xbox One is doomed/what does MS have to do threads as often as we saw the "Should Nintendo go 3rd party/mobile?" "What does Nintendo have to do to turn this around?" threads we saw for a good week or 2.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Technically its the only system in Japan with momentum - its the only system up YoY in Japan.
Jaded Alyx
Member
So everything is all rosy for the Vita? And why should he play one? What does that have to do with anything? This is a SALES thread.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
There's no saving either system. Both are sinking ships no matter what games are shown.
DrROBschiz
Member
The current install base consistently buy software on a regular basis in enough volume for there to be a constant stream of games
I can't fathom the ignorance of the platform going on in this thread.
No the Vita isn't huge but I argue whether it needs to be given the money it generates. That said clearly Sony is doing a few things here and there but the Current strategy for the system clearly satisfies the needs of the niche market it inhabits.
ITs definitely not taking the toll on the company that the WiiU disaster is. Not by a LONG shot.
dugdug
Banned
They'll need new games for this E3. We've known about all of those for years now.
Wii U obviously.(as far as "saved" in comparison to each other) Zelda and Smash plus any other surprises that come out Nintendo. will easily generate more hype than anything the Vita will offer.
I wouldn't be surprised if Zelda and Smash are two of the most hyped games of E3.(and FYI I'm obviously not talking about Hyrule Warriors)
I wouldn't be surprised if Zelda and Smash are two of the most hyped games of E3.(and FYI I'm obviously not talking about Hyrule Warriors)
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
They may be making a small profit on the Vita and software after expenses, but the problem is investors may think Sony is better off taking its resources and putting them somewhere else that will earn a higher return. That means no, or fewer, internally developed games, less resources spent on getting third party content, less shelf space in retailers, and so on.
Announcing more games means nothing if they don't help sell more systems. Mediocre hardware sales and modest software sales doesn't make a system very successful. It doesn't help that the Vita TV bombed in Japan, either.
oh yeah for sure. I just don't really define that as "great" but I guess that's subjective. it's better than it has been in the past though
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
I think the Vita is already saved. It is getting a lot of software.
Its just a niche device.
The WiiU is just waiting for games.
MK8, X, Bayonetta and SmashBros will redeem the WiiU, not E3.
The WiiU can''t compete with the broad 3rd party line up Ps4 and Xboxone offer, but in its own Nintendo niche it'll excel.
Unfortunately I doubt that these games will push the hardware sales above 15mil. I don't see the WiiU taking that hurdle ever.
Its just a niche device.
The WiiU is just waiting for games.
MK8, X, Bayonetta and SmashBros will redeem the WiiU, not E3.
The WiiU can''t compete with the broad 3rd party line up Ps4 and Xboxone offer, but in its own Nintendo niche it'll excel.
Unfortunately I doubt that these games will push the hardware sales above 15mil. I don't see the WiiU taking that hurdle ever.
sturgboski
Member
I think Minecraft Vita bundle announcement at E3 would be huge, but yeah it really shouldnt be dependent on E3.
Personally, I would love Sony to announce a Remote Play bundle of the PS4 and Vita (with 8 GB card). I had thought announcing the bundle this E3 and for $500 would be big and put more pressure on Microsoft. Essentially, for the price of the xbox one you would get two consoles that work together, sort of like the old 360 adds saying you can buy a 360 and wii for the price of a PS3. It's a bundle the Vita needs more than the PS4. However, I never anticipated the extreme likelihood that Microsoft will be cutting their price by this E3 so it throws my pricing out the window.
Honestly, outside of some strategic bundles, pack-in for the PS4, or a price cut (vita and memory cards), I am not sure what can be done to save the Vita in the west. Would announcing a GTA or Gran Turismo or God of War for the Vita at this point turn it all around?
This is about E3. Past E3 showings for Vita have been pretty damn bad.
LegendofLex
Member
Up YoY from practically rock bottom is not really worth partying about. Kind of like how Wii U sales increasing by 300% or whatever post-price cut was barely newsworthy.
Apophis2036
Banned
That's why I wrote "new software announcements"...
Well it sold more than 3DS and 3DS XL combined in Japan last week while 3DS was still getting quality software. (23,500 3DS, 24,000 vita). That's what I call "great".
We need MK8, Smash, B2 and E3 STAT!!!!!!!!
DrROBschiz
Member
Exactly
Thats what makes the current strategy a good fit for the system. They have instead opted for devs to come to the system instead of developing internally (though studio japan has 3 internaly developed games on the way http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014...reedom-wars-oreshika-confirmed-for-n-america/)
Once you accept the Vita for its niche strengths and forget about playing GTA5 on it you might be pleasantly surprised at how awesome it is
Not to mention the HUGE downplaying of the Japanese and Indie support. Talk about putting on the blinders.
infiniteheteroskdasticity
Member
WiiU. I think the Zelda demo will be suitably impressive. There's nothing wrong with the home console market.
Sony will (and should) spend less than 5 minutes talking about Vita (mainly mentioning it when they talk about indies coming to both PS4 and Vital). Handheld consoles are going away and the Vita is likely the last Sony handheld console ever. Its already dead in the West.
Sony will (and should) spend less than 5 minutes talking about Vita (mainly mentioning it when they talk about indies coming to both PS4 and Vital). Handheld consoles are going away and the Vita is likely the last Sony handheld console ever. Its already dead in the West.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
consoles don't get saved in epic explosions of awesome, they get turned around gradually (well, actually, most don't)
there's no real reason for sony to try to save the vita nor is there a sensible strategy for them to do so
e3 isn't a big deal for any company and hasn't been for years
there's no real reason for sony to try to save the vita nor is there a sensible strategy for them to do so
e3 isn't a big deal for any company and hasn't been for years
potential is only potential.
the 3DS getting closer to market saturation does not translate to the Vita doing "great"
that's what this thread is about, isn't it?
Chill Penguin
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They're both corpses. I doubt even Mario Kart and Smash Brothers is going to be able to revive Wii U. The confusion, poor word of mouth, the ridiculous game drought sealed its fate in the first year. No matter what they do in the eyes of the public it's already a dead and buried system. Vita is doing even worse, at least in NA. Most people i know have never even heard of it.
Would you like to know why it's not "great?" Go back and check how much both PSP and DS were selling during the same time periods and then check how much 3DS and Vita as selling now.
Neither Sony or Nintendo would define their sales as "great."