They have done this for certain games. The crazy Mario maker run was great.
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They have done this for certain games. The crazy Mario maker run was great.
Gentleman Jack
Member
One thing I do wish that would happen during GDQs is a salty suite of some kind. These guys are really fun when they get to cut loose in a smaller setting, the video brushes up against that idea and they're not wrong on that point, at least.
pirateluigi
Member
I mean, it's an exhibition. I think most people would rather just watch an entertaining run than an event where some of the games never finish. It feels a little like complaining that the refs never call traveling at Globetrotters games.
Poltergust
Member
A side stream or two of the practice room would be pretty cool. There has been more than one instance of people breaking WRs in there lol.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I don't understand the purported problem -- the cost to entry for a new speedrunning event is 0. If one wants to have another charity marathon speedrunning event, one can start one. It takes 5 minutes to set up xsplit or whatever. And plenty of people are still streaming when GDQ is on. It really doesn't seem like anyone is getting in the way of anything.
The video is totally kooky too, the allegations are bizarre and especially the "Actually Security Is Bias And Are Mean To People" is so grade school. The guy's other videos in related seem to be weird-ass drama garbage, and I'm especially weirded out by there being a video dealing with Narcissa Wright's personal struggles, which feels like a totally unnecessary personal intrusion.
The video is totally kooky too, the allegations are bizarre and especially the "Actually Security Is Bias And Are Mean To People" is so grade school. The guy's other videos in related seem to be weird-ass drama garbage, and I'm especially weirded out by there being a video dealing with Narcissa Wright's personal struggles, which feels like a totally unnecessary personal intrusion.
Now that the GDQ events are bigger, they absolutely should have protocols in place. Do you really want someone yelling out "f****** n*****s" like Werster did in 2013?
Dude, it's for entertainment and charity. I swear to god people take this shit way too seriously.
Acerac
Banned
AGDQ runs feel like they should be for entertainment only. It's a charity for fun event so I understand it, just as long as none of these questionable runs ever hit the record books.
Did I say I'm actually expecting them to go for WR runs here? I'm merely speaking to the attitude that this isn't a competition, when competition is the very reason speedrunning exists as it does right now. And is very much a part of why the event drew me in. I'm not expecting everyone to go full hard serious mode run. But the idea that there "is" no competition or that there doesn't need to be any doesn't gel with me either. Safety saves are fine, but as a personal viewer you've lost my attention on doing so.
Also to the above somewhere (I'm on mobile quoting is hard), competition doesn't mean "1v1 me", as if you need the second person there competing with you. You are collectively competing with every other runner of that game, as well as yourself, when you run these. And no, runs at GDQ aren't "counting" in the actual competition sense. I don't actually expect people to make WR runs. And I want to see everyone having a good time, but I would hope that the runners are making an honest effort to achieve their best at all times (or at least put on a hell of a show) during this short event, and that a backup save is really just being used as a last resort "we need to get the show moving but don't want to just pull you mid run" as they have in previous years.
wrestleman
Member
Youre taking it way too seriously. No one is there for WR runs. Most of the runners there are small streamers there to advertise their stream and do something nice for charity.
Phrozenflame500
Member
I mean I don't disagree that making the event so PG kinda takes the fun out of some of the commentary. But a lot of the other allegations were a bit bizarre, such as trying take to do a take-down of the PVF without really providing any comparison numbers.
I know, ridiculous. The idea that CEOs and other executives should be paid significantly less to work for a charity just because it's a charity and they should be doing it out of the goodness of their hearts is crazy. I certainly wouldn't agree to a pay drop to move from my current job to a similar one with a charity so why should they.
Some of these people have extremely sharp business minds and I'd rather a charity paid them what they deserve so they can do some good than them putting their business acumen towards driving sales for the next must have children's Christmas toy or something similar.
so internet commenter just decides to go the extra step and add b-roll. ok.
1 event made up a large portion of that non profit's donations for the year. I'd want to make sure that i didn't piss off a bunch of people from donating.
"look at how much of that money really helps" have you operated or worked with a non profit before? have you looked at any other companies financials?
I've donated $10 to a charity once a few years ago and they still send me stuff in the mail. I'm glad my $10 paid for all of that paper and postage.
1 event made up a large portion of that non profit's donations for the year. I'd want to make sure that i didn't piss off a bunch of people from donating.
"look at how much of that money really helps" have you operated or worked with a non profit before? have you looked at any other companies financials?
I've donated $10 to a charity once a few years ago and they still send me stuff in the mail. I'm glad my $10 paid for all of that paper and postage.
This is a bizarre concern.
while I don't agree with the video, I agree that the event has changed for the worse - or rather boring. Have been watching since 2011 and around 2013/14 they put the commercial aspect into overdrive, practically pressing people every other second to donate, by employing pretty nasty tricks often seen in other dubious media.
I'm going to continue watching it, but instead of donating to them, I rather donate directly to the red cross or doctors without boarders.
I'm going to continue watching it, but instead of donating to them, I rather donate directly to the red cross or doctors without boarders.
Diablohead
Member
The only beef I have with GDQ is that since they became a business and not a hobby event things have been super strict, for better and worse. There was a time where the audiance was removed from behind the couch and everyone hated it so they bought it back, they also banned any kind of cosplay which is why everyone now doesn't do it. There is also no bonus stream following the end of the event.
I support the cause but not directly, I always buy a yetee tee or two when I can.
I support the cause but not directly, I always buy a yetee tee or two when I can.
Acerac
Banned
I'm not a speedrunner myself, but I think it's fair to say I'd be very frustrated if something I spend months working on was replaced in the records by an inferior attempt.
Do you mind elaborating? I've seen GDQs where the runner gets a boost then gets a "world record" and I don't understand why that should count as a legitimate run.
Oh, if it's just that the staff is already on top of it, sure. I just thought it was worth mentioning since so many in the thread were discussing it.
They do that for some games, sometimes even with 4 players. Personally my favorite speedruns are the ones where the player is not only really good but also can bring in great commentary with some good jokes and explanations of what is happening in the game so the speedrun is interesting to follow for someone who hasn't played the game.
The Dark Souls 3 glitch run in the last AGDQ was so disappointing because it didn't require that much talent and is mostly just the player running underneath the map, skipping most of the bosses. I hope the upcoming SGDQ's run is more about playing the game with some glass cannon build and just running past most of the standard enemies.
it is especially strange to me in context, given the people running these events care about that exact thing more than any other people on the planet
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
The fact this video was linked on r/KotakuInAction should give you an idea as to who really enjoys these videos.
capitalCORN
Member
Narcissa in particular takes affront to the way the organization is run nowadays. And NO ONE disrespects Big Jon!
I've never seen that happen.
Finale Fireworker
Member
Bingo.
Diablohead
Member
With a game like dark souls they should have gone with an all bosses run, or X weapon only runs those can be entertaining.
because it has never happened, why would any of these people who invest thousands of hours into taking it seriously even allow that
If there really was a world record set at GDQ, the community of that game will watch the video and record the actual time. They may say "omg wr" at the event, but it would need to be confirmed with the actual time without any assistance like loading up a save. This is really not a concern anyone should have.
See, there are my only "genuine" concerns with GDQ, and not my own personal competitive nature loving concerns.
I'm sure that from a business point of view, they have been successful. From a viewer point of view, you start to question why they make these decisions that seemingly do everything they can to shut the fans down. It feels a little too "We need to control everything" for my tastes, and honestly just doesn't have the feeling it did years ago. I still enjoy stuff like KevinDDR and his tetris wizardry. I look forward to whatever nonsense goes on during the Tetris block again.
Whiteblade999
Member
That looks about right. I've worked with nonprofits and they really don't know how to run their business efficiently. One of the downsides of not operating strictly for a profit I suppose.
jono51
Banned
I feel like the issue GDQ had is that, 3-4 years ago, there was always some really fucked up shit going on at GDQs whether on the stream itself or in the hotels. The drama cast a pretty big shadow over the event.
They've tried to santize the stream so that it is mass market charity friendly, but I imagine the stuff going on in the hotels is just as bad, if not worse. Its just that that aspect is contained to small twitter accounts as opposed to being broadcast live to 150k people.
They've tried to santize the stream so that it is mass market charity friendly, but I imagine the stuff going on in the hotels is just as bad, if not worse. Its just that that aspect is contained to small twitter accounts as opposed to being broadcast live to 150k people.
Acerac
Banned
Cheers for telling me where I was wrong. I kinda figured that might be the fact (got a late edit) but having heard the omg wr silliness before I couldn't help but be a bit skeptical.
Gotta play up the runs for the crowd.
I'm fairly confident I'm not making this up, but I certainly couldn't give you an example off hand.
they're not out there to break records, it's about showing speed runs of a variety of games. There's no entertainment value in a failed speedrun and a fucked up schedule. So i fully support those backup saves.
A finished speedrun > a "legit" run, at this event.
Also, the armchair number crunching is kinda strong with this video.
So what if 'officers, directors, trustees and key employees" receive 556k in one year - before taxes. That's not outrageous.
https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/prevent-cancer-foundation/146
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=5435
fwiw, the Prevent Cancer Foundation has only a 26% overhead, which - again - isn't outrageous.
The weirdest point was "did you know they're only acting within the US? So you're not even helping people in your country directly" ...
GitarooMan
Member
It's all about charity ethics in gaming events. Lol at this
Baron Von Beans
Member
This seems silly to me...throwing away tons of publicity and airtime because they are upset they couldn't run DLC? And the other games are timeless classics, DSIII hasn't even been out a year, I think expectations need to be dialed back slightly.
petethepanda
Member
That's definitely the vibe I get whenever people criticize the event in this way. Like, I'm sure there are things that could genuinely be done better, but these videos always seem to have some sort of ulterior motive.
On some level I still love GDQ, but good god, with all the transphobia, slurs, angry internet nerd vendettas, and all-around general shittiness that seems to follow the event and many of those that attend, it's harder and harder to be enthusiastic about it. Definitely one of those situations where I find myself saying "man, why can't people just be fucking cool"
I dislike how every year they seem to be giving less and less shits about the runners and their wishes, runner asks for silence because of a sound cue, announcer starts talking over him few seconds after. Or any number of times when on stream the runner asks if he has time to show a glitch or two since he was underestimate but gets a big no since reasons.
If there were a speedrunning marathon with looser feel to it i would definitely watch it as long as the commentary was there but as it stands, GDQ is the only marathon that really does it. The european speedrunning event is okay but there is a bit too much silence in most of the runs for me to get invested in. I also dislike how preachy the GDQ sometimes is with the charity, they are constantly announcing that they are collecting money for X charity, yet we need to have a talk from somebody from the charity to tell us how great we are and maybe show some tear jerker add and shit.
If there were a speedrunning marathon with looser feel to it i would definitely watch it as long as the commentary was there but as it stands, GDQ is the only marathon that really does it. The european speedrunning event is okay but there is a bit too much silence in most of the runs for me to get invested in. I also dislike how preachy the GDQ sometimes is with the charity, they are constantly announcing that they are collecting money for X charity, yet we need to have a talk from somebody from the charity to tell us how great we are and maybe show some tear jerker add and shit.
Baron Von Beans
Member
What's all this in the bold, with the disrespectful actions and words? I don't follow tons of VG news sites, but I haven't heard about this. I love these events, and would hate to see things start to be marred by this kind of behaviors
The latter half of the video is fair-ish, if that grinds your gears enough to stop supporting the event then so be it, but the first part about the Prevent Cancer Foundation kind of just shows he doesn't understand how non-profits/charities operate. Most advocacy non-profits have decently high operating costs, so much so that it's created a thing called The Overhead Myth. Basically the idea a lot of people have, which the guy in the video seems to suggesting too, is the higher the ratio of overhead expenses vs programmatic expenses, the less "good" a charity is doing and the more they are just lining their own pockets. The overhead ratio is rarely a good metric to come to this conclusion, and you really need to take into account things like transparency, leadership, and demonstrable results in addition to really make a fair assessment of a charity, which of course he doesn't. He also seems to say spending money on fundraising is some great evil, which again, paying people who are working to raise you millions of dollars for your cause isn't necessarily shady either; it's basic fucking principal of fundraising.
Are a lot of non-profits run like shit and waste tons of donor money? Sure. But just looking at the big bold numbers on a 990 and coming to that conclusion kind of just makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about.
Are a lot of non-profits run like shit and waste tons of donor money? Sure. But just looking at the big bold numbers on a 990 and coming to that conclusion kind of just makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about.
LinkSlayer64
Member
Oh, this video again? Doesn't this pop up near every GDQ since it was put out?
Not that weird... I'd also prefer an international organisation rather than a domestic one... and with those ridiculous medical expenses in the US, donating to them always seems like a waste of money.
Jaguar King
Member
Just want to say to do Not judge a GDQ event from its stream, there is a lot of amazing stuff that happens outside the marathon room, too bad a lot of people only cares about what they see on the stream which is only consist of 50% of what GDQ is.
besides GDQ is nothing but a gaming event, all you have to to do is having fun, its not like you are forced to deliver a WR run or anything, as along as its good, fun and entertaining that's all what's matter.
also I would like you to watch this video to have a better understanding what a GDQ event looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOT7WDpBO8g
psst I'm the guy who plays street fighter V
besides GDQ is nothing but a gaming event, all you have to to do is having fun, its not like you are forced to deliver a WR run or anything, as along as its good, fun and entertaining that's all what's matter.
also I would like you to watch this video to have a better understanding what a GDQ event looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOT7WDpBO8g
psst I'm the guy who plays street fighter V
Waddle Dee
Member
Just another one of those shit-tier videos made by some angry alt-right fuckface that will trick young, easily influenced, viewers who don't have a grasp on the bigger picture and only think about what benefits them.
Why are you spreading this dumb ass garbage, OP?
Why are you spreading this dumb ass garbage, OP?
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
It's fucked up having a "Let's Play" to get fund raising? Oh, the humanity...
Waddle Dee
Member
What's all this in the bold, with the disrespectful actions and words? I don't follow tons of VG news sites, but I haven't heard about this. I love these events, and would hate to see things start to be marred by this kind of behaviors
The video game community, in general, is pretty fucking toxic. It's not the fault of the charity organizers, or the runners. It's just some people who watch the streams, or people who speed run but don't go to the event in person because they were banned or care more about throwing out hateful shit than actually helping a good cause. Ignore them (basically close Twitch chat).
So the event has grown larger, and in the process the organisers have annoyed fans with certain decisions (some they've rolled back), and they've made it a little more PC friendly, but aside from that I don't see any issues here.
When events grow to this kind of size they require more rules or tighter management or it would descend into chaos. I'm sure the organisers aren't perfect, and there's undoubtedly drama when this many people get together, but I see nothing in the video that concerns me especially as most of it seems to be hear say.
The lack of context for the deconstruction of the margins doesn't tell an uneducated viewer anything, this video seems set up not to try to convince people but to give people something to point at when they're digging into their own agendas.
When events grow to this kind of size they require more rules or tighter management or it would descend into chaos. I'm sure the organisers aren't perfect, and there's undoubtedly drama when this many people get together, but I see nothing in the video that concerns me especially as most of it seems to be hear say.
The lack of context for the deconstruction of the margins doesn't tell an uneducated viewer anything, this video seems set up not to try to convince people but to give people something to point at when they're digging into their own agendas.