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WSJ: Sony Plans New PlayStation for Graphics-Heavy Games
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LOL! wow
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
We've already survived a HDD-less 360 "hardware fragmentation" for a good chunk of last generation, which was likely more of a true userbase fragmentation in the negative sense than the nightmare scenarios being speculated about in these various threads.
What the vast majority of people appear to be trying to describe when they use "fragmenting the userbase" is something a lot more along the lines of what the PSVR actually is going to do to the PS4 userbase rather than what the PS4K as rumored will do.
Instead of having this discussion in any depth, we keep circling back to things like the 20+ year old 32x add-on that honestly has no bearing on what the console space has become.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Weirdly enough people on both sides are victims of this. The fear mangers and the hopefuls are severely overestimating what in my opinion this thing is. Klepek himself, the one that broke this story, said it wouldn't be a large upgrade form what he gathered.
A console don't need a gpu as powerfull as a "Titan" to reach his goal.
It's semantics. And fwiw we are both using a "correct" definition of the word "fragment". However I am the only one using the correct definition of the phrase "fragmented userbase" as applied in video gaming. The user base isn't being fragmented (read: broken apart). It's still one userbase.
And you still haven't countered anything I said in my first reply to you where I validate my stance.
HandsomeCharles said:
Again, this logic is floored. So a different sized TV is fragmenting the userbase? A different internet speed?
Maybe that's fragmenting the user experience (still reaching imo) but the userbase is perfectly in tact.
rokkerkory
Member
ooo rich guy!!!
Go on...
bitbydeath
Member
It will if the goal is for AAAs to do 4K native and with a 30+ framerate.
Edit: As seen with this chart
Polaris 11 isn't a Titan level card. It was benchmarked against a gtx 950 and consumes roughly the same wattage, and could do hitman at 1440p 60fps.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I actually agree with this.Yet it does need a lot more than it has now for AAA games at 4K.
A couple of more CU's and higher clocks won't score the 'goal'. Maybe Sony have some sort of Super 4K chip they will add?
Wishmaster92
Member
How many tflops does the ps4k have zoetis?????
Suddendly native 4k games based on your teasing comments sounds like a pipe dream..... Sounds like upscaling now
I agree. There's no way this thing is going to run AAA games at native 4k for $499 in a console sized box.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Why does it even need to run 4k games? What percentage of consumers own a 4k TV now? Save that for PS5.
Are we talking about the same thing? I'm talking about the prospect of a console becoming an open platform for other manufacturers to build.
Because Sony wants some Chinese company undercutting them and eating their lunch just as the hardware itself becomes profitable to sell.
Opening up the hardware won't increase the overall size of the market. It'll just eat into Sony's share of it.
I think its probably going to be able to play 4K BD and maybe output games with a wider color space + HDR @ 1080p.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Uptake is growing fast and it is a sort future proofing. How many owned a 1080P tv in November 2006? I didn't. But I do have 50" 4K TV now...
I don't know but I personally just bought a 4K TV and I'm looking forward to playing 4K Blu-Ray discs... but I sure as hell don't want to spend $399 on a stand-alone player. If they can release a PS4 that does it, I'll just trade in my old one.
bitbydeath
Member
Why: That's just what the rumours are stating.
What: Very few due to the majority of 4K content doesn't kick off til later this year.
I agree, SEGA collapsed their hardware business by doing this, now Sony and Microsoft are heading over the same precipice.
Edit: Unlike you, I love PC gaming though, just bring over those exclusives to PC.
HandsomeCharles
Member
I'm sorry but that is not the correct definition of the phrase in this context. If you can find a source to back up what you're saying I'll gladly retract my statement.
And although I doubt it will make any difference to you (And I apologise if I'm coming across as rude) but I'm a games programmer, so this is something that I have to deal with on a daily basis. I just get a bit frustrated because it is an important issue, and everybody needs to be on the same page in order to discuss it correctly because it could potentially have very bad ramifications for the consumer.
Kralamoonard
Member
Yo man, I know you're not at liberty to say much, but can you just spill the beans lol.
Like give us more info perhaps about the release window, price, specifics upgrades (e.g. is it in the GPU/APU). Please?
It will if the goal is for AAAs to do 4K native and with a 30+ framerate.
Edit: As seen with this chart
If you included one of those cards in a ps4 fps would be "+20" on every setup.
PdotMichael
Banned
So why should PC somehow survives although it exactly that what makes the consoles collapse?
Sega failed because it sold the Dreamcast for a not sustainable price but what are facts?
Marty Chinn
Member
From a developer/publisher stand point, it is a fragmented user base. Which platform do you target/focus on? How much money/resources do you put towards the other platform? We don't even know what's Sony's policies are at this point in time.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Sorry! I quoted you in error....Should have been the post before yours!
Because a desktop PC is expandable, it isn't like a console where you'll piss off retailers with unsold inventory if graphics get upgraded.
PdotMichael
Banned
Is that your main argument that it would "piss off retailers"? They survive to sell 200 different OEM computers at the same time but an upgrade every handful years is killing the console industry?
Well, that's what happened to SEGA.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Yo man, I know you're not at liberty to say much, but can you just spill the beans lol.
Like give us more info perhaps about the release window, price, specifics upgrades (e.g. is it in the GPU/APU). Please?
I don't think it right or fair to ask for specifics but it sure would be nice to know what section(s), if any, of the APU and/or RAM are being upgraded.
Wut?
PdotMichael
Banned
No, not really.
CPU bottlenecking. PS4 has the equivalent of an AMD Jaguar in it. I assume PS4k would have an updated CPU as well.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
You get more performance out of a closed box.
Caayn
Member
Yeah, no. And there goes your credibility for me.
bitbydeath
Member
So you're predicting something more on par with the 290x as opposed to the Titan?
What I read is that SEGA got retailers upset by making too many consoles too close together, leading them to have unsold inventory of the previous console. So when the Dreamcast came along, retailers didn't even want to deal with SEGA altogether, and didn't carry the product. What did you read?
pc charts shouldn't be compared with consoles, FPS you get from a pc game doesn't mean you get the same result on a console.
vpance
Member
Coding to the metal, and beyond.
Kralamoonard
Member
Wait, just curious why? I thought it was well documented that consoles that have the same hardware as PC's can go further simply due to the closed and customised nature of the consoles, and how much good optimisation can go (aka coding to the metal where PC performance ≠ console performance, and in some cases, the latter is higher for the same "hardware" spec).
Also, why has his credibility suddenly gone? Are we really going to discredit all his previous information which has been pretty much verified at this point otherwise he would have been banned...? Like why so reactionary?
Caayn
Member
Benefits due to a closed box design exists, I won't deny that, but they don't result in 60% to 100% increase in output.
The benefits of a console design aren't that large.
Just because one was correct in the past doesn't mean that I need to swallow everything (S)he says as the truth.
Wishmaster92
Member
Tell us something we don't know.
PdotMichael
Banned
You mean the Dreamcast which broke first day retail records?
Sega suffered from the fact that it sold flops more than successful systems. Nintendo never suffered any problems in that regard although releasing all kinds of new variants of the same system all the time.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
There's a lot to be said for hardware specific optimization, but it can't perform miracles.
PS4 needs a HUGE upgrade to run the same games at 4k. So something isn't right with this story.
PS4 needs a HUGE upgrade to run the same games at 4k. So something isn't right with this story.
joecanada
Member
Lol although this seems to be a rather rude point of view, it's no more offensive than the constant whining of other posters on here hating on the very idea that other people may enjoy upgrading their ps4.
More options for everyone, I'm in favour of. I'm more of a wait and see myself but would consider trading up.
Glorified G
Member
I think Zoetis is saying consoles are not PC's so making a 1:1 comparison is not accurate.
Your doubting a verified insider who is most likely a dev? What credibility do you have?
THE:MILKMAN
Member
He meant +20 FPS on the chart! not sure what 80%-100% increase is in relation to?
+20 fps - meaning basically doubling it's performance just by putting one of those gpu's in a ps4 is utter nonsense.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I can only assume a misunderstanding of hardware. I say that even though I think I only know the basics.