CecilRousso
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Isn't that more what a single painted picture looks like, that doesn't have to take any constraints (source material, budget, target platforms, etc) in the project into consideration?
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Day of the Tentacle: SE will be shown at Indiecade tomorrow
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Isn't that more what a single painted picture looks like, that doesn't have to take any constraints (source material, budget, target platforms, etc) in the project into consideration?
MrCunningham
Member
That's what a redrawn game looks like imo, DOTT looks straight from an upscaling filter.
It looks alright. My only complaint is the lighting effect that is coming from the lamp. It is way to strong and distracts from the overall scene. Sames with the needless use of lens flare.. Tone that down and it would look good.
Manny Calavera
Member
Should be sometime early next year.
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Deleted member 10571
Unconfirmed Member
I dunno. I expected better I think, it really does look like some weird automated vectorization thing in a lot of places.
Buuut I'll get it, since the game's fantastic.
Buuut I'll get it, since the game's fantastic.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
That Full Throttle mockup would look hideous in motion unless they changed the entire animation system (which was impossible in the MI remakes due to the classic mode switching feature).
Huh. I hadn't realized that was the reason the animations were so poor in the MI special editions. I had assumed they just went cheap. Probably would have been worth splitting off the classic mode and having improved animations, in retrospect. At least we got the voice work, though, which is what is really special about the SEs.
Extra Sauce
Member
Part of me likes it and part of me dislikes it. It's nice to see how faithful it is to the original visuals but:
- "HDfying" the graphics without adding any detail feels wrong.
- Stretching the graphics vertically feels wrong.
- Some parts look like they went through some sort of smoothing filter. The "DO NOT SIT ON MACHINES" sign in particular looks bad.
I dunno, it's not like I ever expected to get what I actually would want. Which is a traditionally animated, from the ground up remake a la Curse of Monkey Island. So I can't really be disappointed, just unsure how I really feel. I'm definitely glad that many more people are going to get to play what is my favorite game of all time.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
The thing is that the animation in the remake looked worse not even on par with the original IMHO.
I wasn't clear, sorry, what i wanted to point was that a hand redrawn something:
a)will never look exactly the same as the original
b)thanks to the higher resolution it's possible to draw more details and effects
DOTT on the other hand looks exactly like the original and some details are washed out, like a filter was applied.
Maybe it's not 100% a filter work but for sure it's very far from being 100% drawn.
Ricerocket
Member
Not feeling the new look. Disappointed that it's just an upscaled look of the original rather than making it a tad more modern (artwise) for an HD version.
Basically... the original game is just as great as it is now with this new version, seems pointless.
Basically... the original game is just as great as it is now with this new version, seems pointless.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Oh god, I hope they do.
I don't think DOTT is the result of an upscaling filter, or, at least, not soley the result of that. There's a lot of work in it that I don't think would come from a filter.
Quite possibly they started by filtering the assets into a higher res then drew over them to make corrections and additions.
Looking good, my Vita is ready!
Day of the Tentacle was the first Lucasarts adventure not released on the Amiga, so I had to break down and get a PC to keep playing their games.
Does anybody still have their Lucasarts Adventurers? I miss the old days when we got manuals and stuff like this with our games.
The cover seems appropriate for the frenzy we're going through now.
LucasArts was so cool back then.
CecilRousso
Member
If you don't like the look, you have the old available as a switch.
At worst, this is the first proper re-release of a game everyone has been begging to be re-released.
At best, it also has an new remastered mode that
a) makes it easier for new players to appreciate it.
b) suits high resolution monitors/tv's better.
c) makes it available on Playstation platforms.
d) gives players who already played it an alternate mode.
Not sure how that qualifies as pointless.
How much is redrawn and how much is just effects is debatable, absolutely. I don't know the answers to that, and everything about the process would be very interesting to watch and/or read.
But my point was that you cannot point to a picture that is made without any restraints at all, and say "this is how it's done". That's not fair and it's not realistic.
This isn't redrawn at all.
They upres'd it with automatic vector conversion, then manually fixed details that were too blurred out.
And the reason it looks so bad on the old screenshot is because it's not the right aspect Ratio.
Just use Super Eagle on your ScummVM and you'll see it looks much closer to what DF is offering.
I insist they still fixed details manually, aka repainting / drawing some stuff that would have been lost in the conversion. But you can also tell they went the lazy way about it.
This is conversion + some things redrawn.
But....
It does look better than Monkey Island, which while not lazy, just looked completely amateurish and horrible.
Also there is one thing that is that, the DoTT art of back then, is incredible art. The anatomy and detail was amazing. Here it doesn't look bad but it doesn't compare to the good 2D adventure games like Deponia in stuff. While if the same team had made DoTT today, it would be on par.
They upres'd it with automatic vector conversion, then manually fixed details that were too blurred out.
And the reason it looks so bad on the old screenshot is because it's not the right aspect Ratio.
Just use Super Eagle on your ScummVM and you'll see it looks much closer to what DF is offering.
I insist they still fixed details manually, aka repainting / drawing some stuff that would have been lost in the conversion. But you can also tell they went the lazy way about it.
This is conversion + some things redrawn.
But....
It does look better than Monkey Island, which while not lazy, just looked completely amateurish and horrible.
Also there is one thing that is that, the DoTT art of back then, is incredible art. The anatomy and detail was amazing. Here it doesn't look bad but it doesn't compare to the good 2D adventure games like Deponia in stuff. While if the same team had made DoTT today, it would be on par.
CecilRousso
Member
You known this, or you're just suspecting this?
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Meh, there is no real "correct" aspect ratio.
This screenshot and the wheel in it are not the "correct" aspect ratio.
This screenshot and the wheel in it are not the "correct" aspect ratio.
eso76
Member
e) hopefully has touchscreen/touchpad optimised controls. Being able to tap on command and target would make it immensely more enjoyable already.
8-Bit Sunset
Banned
Just posted on their facebook page:
Next year,,,,,?
Well.... shit!
Next year,,,,,?
Well.... shit!
I suspect.
I met Tim at PAX, he didn't want to share much, all he said was that "we have the original game assets, not all the artwork, we do our best to make it look good in HD".
My question was if they had the original drawings made for the game (that were more detailed, like monkey island 2).
But I'm a graphic artist.
This is not the result of art, but post process :
That greenish outline is the result of pre existing anti aliasing. It's very subtle and very high quality vector conversion.
And those gradients don't seem like they have been hand picked by an artist at all.
And on almost every animated objects in the game they did redraw it, tracing vector over the original and fixing some shapes.
Sadly, while it did make easily identified details better , it also left the new artist wondering what was going on, like here, what the hell is this :
Also, the black shadows are 99% identical to the existing ones, only a tad smoother.
Speaking of which, the characters cast no shadow.
Guys, the art has been 100 percent redrawn and reanimated with the same number of frames. So stop with the upscale talk.
This info courtesy of James of Double Fine from Indiecade.
Also, the game comes out either Jan or Feb. and you can customize the interface. You can use the old verb bar or new verb wheel with either the upgraded or classic graphics.
Game looks fantastic in person.
This info courtesy of James of Double Fine from Indiecade.
Also, the game comes out either Jan or Feb. and you can customize the interface. You can use the old verb bar or new verb wheel with either the upgraded or classic graphics.
Game looks fantastic in person.
We didn't say it was upscaled.
We were talking about what they used to redraw the assets. While some of it has been done by hand, some are clearly done through automated vectors.
What about it, you can get them on PC and it runs on a toaster.
Fair enough. He didn't specify hand drawn.
Dog Problems
Banned
They didn't buy the rights. They are working with Disney and Double Fine to make the remasters happen and in exchange they get console exclusivity. Disney still owns them.
It's fake.
Where is this from btw ? I want to see more of that artist.
Hi
I'm Double Fine's community manager (formerly Media Molecule!)
I just wanted to answer some questions for you
Sure, here you go:
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dottremastered-wallpaper-2560-1440.png
You can use the verb interface with the new art, and you can use the new verb dial interface with the old art running full screen. We wanted the way you play the game to be as customizable as we could make it, so you can pick the way you want to play.
That includes two versions of music to toggle between too, one re-voiced version with more modern instruments, and one that we've tuned to sound as similar to a soundblaster from the 90s as possible.
And yes, those both use an emulated "iMuse" style dynamic music system!
See above
It does, it hasn't been remastered but it's in there and we hope to hook it up to cloud save.
Here are some screenshots for you
*edit, oh hmm not displaying, doesn't like PNGs perhaps?... well here are links
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dott-remastered-000.png
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dott-remastered-001.png
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dott-remastered-002.png
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dott-remastered-003.png
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dott-remastered-004.png
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dott-remastered-005a.png
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dott-remastered-005b.png
I'm Double Fine's community manager (formerly Media Molecule!)
I just wanted to answer some questions for you
Sure, here you go:
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dottremastered-wallpaper-2560-1440.png
You can use the verb interface with the new art, and you can use the new verb dial interface with the old art running full screen. We wanted the way you play the game to be as customizable as we could make it, so you can pick the way you want to play.
That includes two versions of music to toggle between too, one re-voiced version with more modern instruments, and one that we've tuned to sound as similar to a soundblaster from the 90s as possible.
And yes, those both use an emulated "iMuse" style dynamic music system!
See above
It does, it hasn't been remastered but it's in there and we hope to hook it up to cloud save.
Here are some screenshots for you
*edit, oh hmm not displaying, doesn't like PNGs perhaps?... well here are links
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dott-remastered-000.png
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dott-remastered-001.png
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dott-remastered-002.png
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dott-remastered-003.png
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dott-remastered-004.png
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dott-remastered-005a.png
http://www.doublefine.com/images/uploads/dott-remastered-005b.png
BlackLagoon
Member
Do you know which version of Maniac Mansion that's included? Because the Atari ST / Amgia / VGA DOS port had significant improvements over the version that was originally included with DotT.
By re-voiced, i mean the music - the instruments! The voice work is all the original, uncompressed and taken from the original DAT tape recordings.
The last two screenshots show you a cutscene, nothing is being stretched, just enlarged, and we've drawn in some extra artwork around the edges of the screen to make up for the 4:3 to 16:9 transition
There are actually very small black bars top and bottom of the screen to make sure the aspect ratio is correct, which aren't represented in these screenshots
I need to confirm which version we're using, I'll find out!
Here are some screenshots for you
I'm dying to see the remastered intro and opening credits. Like, just release that as the trailer.
Voices as in instruments, not voice actors.
BlackLagoon
Member
Thanks. And just so you know, there are two DOS versions of the game. The first one, which I believe was used in DotT, had simpler graphics more in line with the Apple II and C64 versions, while the second was more in line with the nicer graphics and sound in the Atari ST and Amiga ports.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Good stuff.
This is how it should look (500% scale with square pixels) vs. the released screen:
Rather than trying to clear up the old compressed voices we were lucky enough to have access to original voice recording sessions. This meant finding all the correct takes and chopping them out, which was a lot of work for our audio team but they did a great job
We'll be showing some gameplay / trailers soon-ish, it's very nearly ready we just have some things we want to tweak before we show it off in motion.
We're not at Paris Games week I'm afraid, however DOTT will be playable on Nov 7th at our Day of the Devs event in San Francisco, and then again at PSX.
http://www.dayofthedevs.com/
Fushichou187
Member
Hi
I'm Double Fine's community manager (formerly Media Molecule!)
I just wanted to answer some questions for you
:\ I hope they are paying you well for this. GAF is not kind nor rational when it comes to things like this.
Really looking forward to this SE btw. I tend to keep my expectations in check and therefore am happier for it.
Weltall Zero
Member
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Are the rooms shown so far still WIP?
I'd have expected some more details in some of the room elements shown so far (Like the playing card in the jail scene I'd have thought would have a better impression of the suit at least, if not the number)
I'd have expected some more details in some of the room elements shown so far (Like the playing card in the jail scene I'd have thought would have a better impression of the suit at least, if not the number)
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
That is amazing.
There are far, far later games which have their original uncompressed recordings lost.... MGS1 and Silent Hill 1-3 come to mind. I have also heard doubt that the 2006 FFXII has it's original recordings intact.. though it may turn out to be fine when the HD version eventually surfaces.
RedAssedApe
Banned
hmm...some of those screenshots look odd. like the characters are floating on top of the background because of the lack of shadows. maybe it looks better in motion.
nice that we'll get this early 2016 though. seems about the same as the grim fandango timeframe. did development take about the same amount of time? sounds like they might be doing more work on this one
nice that we'll get this early 2016 though. seems about the same as the grim fandango timeframe. did development take about the same amount of time? sounds like they might be doing more work on this one