Wishmaster92
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Edit: Youtube vs Youtube footage.
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DEEP DOWN - PS4 Exclusive, Random Dungeons+Monsters, Online Only play @ TGS
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velociraptor
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Gah, everything looks so low res/low poly.
You need new eyes. Fast.
Wishmaster92
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Metroid-Squadron
Banned
The real downgrade is in the IQ of the later trailers. The February reveal footage was crystal clear. This is a blurry mess.
I validate that answer
For the animation i don't know, this could be the difference between a choregraphed scene where the dragon was always moving and doing stuff, versus gameplay where he is "waiting" for the player to play. But i mean maybe at some point he's doing the exact same thing you know.
It may just not have AI yet or could act differently depending on the scenario. From what was shown, the animation isn't at the same level.
I mentioned earlier that some of the intricate details in the environment are gone but I think that's likely due to the procedural nature of the level design instead of a hardware or engine limitation. Based on this showing and considering it seems more like a side project to test out the engine and it's the first game from the engine and it's on a new platform, I have confidence that visuals pretty close to that reveal trailer are going to be possible this gen just not with this game.
Lighting looks worse in scenes with lights going into the cave and fire doesnt lit up environments as good as in reveal.
Shadowing is much lower res than in reveal.
Dragon has worse textures and shaders than in reveal.
Lack of per object motion blur.
Environment geometry in dragon scene is much worse, also textures are worse.
Dragon's fire is much lower res, is much lower density and precision and has less sparks flying around the main fire than in reveal.
Bokeh seems to be lower res, especially in scenes from future seem to have quite low resolution bokeh.
We need more high quality footage to really judge everything, especially character models and geometry.
qa_engineer
Member
Pretty sure thats because we're looking at a Youtube video. But what do I know about the internetz right?
BibiMaghoo
Member
It looks great, but damn, there is a noticeable different in lighting, and clearness of image.
I'm not sure I really care though to be honest.
Cornbread78
Member
The same guy that was Warhawk and MAG suck bad because they are online only...
Soooo many good gifs with text can be made out of this... Who's gonna start the flow?
civilstrife
Member
Absolutely. There were static flashes all over the place, and it ended with a computer console and the sound of a helicopter.
I called it in the first teaser thread though I think there were others. The signs were pretty obvious.
I disagree on some points but like I said, it's just from what I can tell from a quick look over the Youtube footage we have. I'm not exactly confident that my observations are accurate. I couldn't even make out DoF in this footage.
Vicetrailia
Member
Online only and Random Dungeons are really killing my interests.
It has DS gameplay elements, but is more like MH in purpose I suppose.
It has DS gameplay elements, but is more like MH in purpose I suppose.
But let's wait for a direct feed.
That screenshot is so blurry and low quality that I really don't know what your point is.
Murder. She Wrote
Member
It is very clearly a downgrade from the February reveal, however it still looks gorgeous.
The creators of the trailer clearly knew this, since they cut the trailer in such a way to make it difficult to get a good understanding of the graphics.
The creators of the trailer clearly knew this, since they cut the trailer in such a way to make it difficult to get a good understanding of the graphics.
OldAsUrSock
Banned
What is with this strange thought process that good graphics equates to high technical skill?
You can tell which is much better after seeing "compressed" Youtube video of first revel trailer
NullPointer
Member
Nobody ever says this when early judgments are positive.
Edit: On second thought, I have, regarding this game and the Division, expecting downgrades on both. So, I'll just shut up then ;P
Almost every scene in future is with DoF in the trailer - 0:17, 0:54
Freeze at 1:38 and look at the floor, few second later You have also transition with high DoF.
Look at the shadows in 1:42, there was nothing with such shadow resolution in reveal.
iamshadowlark
Banned
They go hand in hand usually.
PairOfFilthySocks
Member
We still need direct-feed but I'm pretty comfortable with my initial assumption of a downgrade.
Wouldn't according to that logic the reveal footage have to look worse and not better?
Wishmaster92
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Krusenstern
Banned
The reveal footage was running on an high end PC (Capcom released their tech documentations about that one). But I still think the final game won't look as good as the inital trailer.
There's very little reason for us to expect that.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
You can't make all of those judgements based off of that low quality video. I mean come on...
Or have you seen a video of a higher quality? If so, where?
BobTheFork
Member
To me it's greatest strengths were the combat and the boss battles. I never thought the level design was superior, it was the kind of encounters you had with players and enemies that worked.
NullPointer
Member
Well, look at player's reactions from getting an offline-capable Diablo 3. The console version is now king.
SkylineRKR
Member
You can only do so much with the Ps4 hardware, the feb reveal was looking ridiculously good. Way too good for what this console has under the hood. Maybe years down this gen they can unleash some magic but not within in its early years I reckon.
Why people still claim they need better HQ video for final judgement ?
Even 360p youtube video of reveal trailer showed tangible visual eye-candy over this TGS one.
I once assumed Feb revel trailer was done on PS4 dev kit, too. Did Capcom really announce techical stuff to show first trailer was done on high-end PC ?
Even 360p youtube video of reveal trailer showed tangible visual eye-candy over this TGS one.
I once assumed Feb revel trailer was done on PS4 dev kit, too. Did Capcom really announce techical stuff to show first trailer was done on high-end PC ?
Yeah, I still think it's fair to make the comparison, after all did Capcom sell it us as something that we can expect on the PS4.
Zatoichi's Cane
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I can't believe some of you getting this worked up because some xbone guys are trolling.
nelsonroyale
Member
I am not sure why the seem to have released the trailer in such bad quality. To be honest, the gameplay footage looks much nicer. Lighting and textures look excellent, and the dragon battle looks stunning. Also the animations are very good. They have a good amount of weight and momentum to them.
It's worth taking into account if the first demo was "real" then it would have been running off half the ram the current system has, so if anything the demo should have looked better in this presentation, yet clearly things have been scaled back or cut altogether.
It's a kick in the balls, but the fact we are still all arguing over it shows it's clearly not a drastic enough change for everybody to spot it.
Would love the HD feed to prove me wrong when they release it (if they release it). Maybe the falling debris in the cave is triggered by an event etc.
It's a kick in the balls, but the fact we are still all arguing over it shows it's clearly not a drastic enough change for everybody to spot it.
Would love the HD feed to prove me wrong when they release it (if they release it). Maybe the falling debris in the cave is triggered by an event etc.
AstroNut325
Member
From the comparisons posted above I see a very clear downgrade in visuals. Still looks great if you ask me, but nowhere close to the February unveil. Like someone said... it was probably running on high end PCs with a GTX680 or equivalent.
eXistor
Member
Wow, talk about disappointing...This game went from "most anticipated" to "wait and see" in a heartbeat. Online only? Randomly generated dungeons? 2094 future shit? The game has its work cut out for it, if it wants to convince me it's worth my time. I hate next-gen's insistence on playing online all the time.
ethomaz
Banned
February reveal was running in a GTX 570 + Core i7... Capcom confirmed that.
iamshadowlark
Banned
No, they still maintain to this day AFAIK that it was PS4.
I don't think this will end up matching the fidelity of that initial reveal ever in this kind of setting. Procedurally generated levels/assets, in what looks like a P2P style coop game will never measure up to hand crafted levels and assets.
nelsonroyale
Member
It is not that big a deal, it was just a tech demo, like the Agni Philosophy demo which was running on a PS4 dev apparently. Really, it is blooming annoying that they scaled back the visuals, but everybody seemed to be expecting it initially, and it has obviously come to pass. I still think the gameplay demo looks very nice though. Especially the tornado spell vs the dragon.
http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/07...lusive-or-not-more-info-on-panta-rhei-shared/
Feb reveal trailer was done on PC + mid range GPU.
Texture size ~ 2GB
Feb reveal trailer was done on PC + mid range GPU.
Texture size ~ 2GB