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Oh man. That "story" puts a smile on my face every time I read it.
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Oh man. That "story" puts a smile on my face every time I read it.
that is a pretty cool song.
Its a trash heap of liberal center of the world community college in Portland Oregon, and I don't like it one bit. I can dig some "left" economic policy, and I somewhat consider myself post-Keynesian, but I don't like left morality at all... for reasons I wont say on this site because I would probably be banned.
This is what I think the electoral map looks like for now. The 3 new dem states in the west are safe for Obama, I think. Iowa, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida are the only swing states. Florida is one where I don't feel too confident about for Obama, but the others are very much doable. It's still very possible for Romney to win, but he's got a really tough electoral path.
Agree, that's a fair map. Obama leads by good margins in VA, but I think it will tighten up as things go on. I still think he takes it, and with it, the election. Romney has no path of Obama does.
speculawyer
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I don't think there is such a thing as left or right morality. Both sides agree the theft, murder, rape, etc. are immoral. The only thing that I can see as a quasi-"moral" issue is homosexuality. But I don't view it as a moral issue, it is a religious issue that the left says should not be discriminated by government.
I guess how the poor are treated can be viewed somewhat as a moral issue.
Edit: Ah abortion. I guess that is another one where I view it as a religious issue not a moral one.
DeathbyVolcano
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And yet, you have a MLP avatar. Move along, folks.
speculawyer
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This is what I think the electoral map looks like for now. The 3 new dem states in the west are safe for Obama, I think. Iowa, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida are the only swing states. Florida is one where I don't feel too confident about for Obama, but the others are very much doable. It's still very possible for Romney to win, but he's got a really tough electoral path.
Nevada? Isn't that a heavily Mormon state and also has a high-unemployment rate? That may not be so easy for Obama. But, the critical block for Obama may be the Latinos that could help him win there.
Hobbestetrician
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RCP has Nevada as lean-Obama and even Rasmussen's last poll had Obama up 8 points. That will most certainly decrease but right now it is looking good.
That EV map puts into prospective how fucked Romney (and the GOP a a whole really) is in get 270. VA has a very good chance of going blue again, and Obama is in good shape in OH as well. Even NC and FL are reasonable pickups. The fact is, Obama needs only one of those states yet several of them have a good chance of going blue. The southwest treading blue really screwed the GOP electorally. VA and NC turning blue and purple, respectively, only makes matters worse for them.
TacticalFox88
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And considering that they're going to go further right when Obama wins....lol. The party has fucked itself so hard it's ridiculous.
His post history also shows that he is a birther.
So I just read about that tea bagger neo-nazi who killed his wife and 15 month old daughter, then killed himself. As expected, the righties are claiming that this dude was a rabid Marx-o-phile:
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/36980.html#more-36980
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/36980.html#more-36980
Ah so your racist and bigoted. Makes sense why you can't post those views.
RustyNails
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Sorry for being noob, but why not?
That's a total lie.
You wouldn't be banned for having an opinion.
You'd be banned if you're completely obnoxious about it and refuse to discuss it rationally or civilly.
So unless your opinion is some racist/bigoted garbage, you're just playing a cheap persecution card. Which already tells a lot about your opinions.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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A birther brony, great.
your problem, so far as i can tell, is that you're already butthurt by the sheer superiority of his conquest over leftism. he not only conquered it, he inflicted such harm into its edifice that he's now ostracized by a college professor.
truly, PoliGAF needs to brush up on sounder talking points to counter this assault.
el retorno
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He'll just say print the money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chartalism
That's his economic philosphy
RustyNails
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If we keep printing money wouldn't we end up like Zimbabwe, where a loaf of bread costs $10 Million dollars?
Edit: or cause interest rates to spike/investors pulling out, etc.
Edit: or cause interest rates to spike/investors pulling out, etc.
el retorno
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http://www.businessinsider.com/weekender-the-trouble-with-modern-monetary-theory-mmt-2011-1
Here's a good run down talking about their explainations and an attempt to critique them.
It sounds good but really doesn't work when people can just opt out of the system and mainly takes advantage of the fact that the US dollar is the worlds reserve currency.
It just doesn't really work in a globalized world IMO
The RCP average there is a +7.8 for Obama. I feel pretty certain that Obama is safe there.
Hardly. America is still the most dominant economy in the world and it would take a century of failure to become like ZImbabwe.
Not that it matters. Voting drives policy and you will never win an elected office if you are spouting MMT as your economic theory. So, it's all fantasyland discourse. Judging by the internet, something libertarians and socialists never seem to get tired of.
cartoon_soldier
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Obama ad set to air in 9 swing states
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F0OVngTHkNg
Taken from the Forward. campaign video.
I never noticed this till the weekend, but the campaign's slogan is not just "Forward" but "Forward.", extra emphasis. The back side of the Forward. signs:
Also, Romney arrested for Disorderly conduct in 1981: http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romney-was-arrest-for-disorderly-conduct-in-1
This won't be a news story and shouldn't be. But we all know what would happen if it was Obama who was arrested and had charges dropped later than Romney.
Worker's voice online ads against Romney:
http://act.workersvoice.org/page/content/willard/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F0OVngTHkNg
Taken from the Forward. campaign video.
I never noticed this till the weekend, but the campaign's slogan is not just "Forward" but "Forward.", extra emphasis. The back side of the Forward. signs:
Also, Romney arrested for Disorderly conduct in 1981: http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romney-was-arrest-for-disorderly-conduct-in-1
This won't be a news story and shouldn't be. But we all know what would happen if it was Obama who was arrested and had charges dropped later than Romney.
Worker's voice online ads against Romney:
http://act.workersvoice.org/page/content/willard/
Black Republican
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best ad team in the business, wonder how high their stocks rise if hes reelected
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Absolutely ace.
empty vessel
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No offense, but you don't understand. MMT describes a currently existing empirical reality, not an alternative way to do things. So when you say it "doesn't really work in a globalized world," you are saying that our current monetary system does not work. Bond issuance currently operates independently from spending and does not finance spending. The government always spends by "printing money," even when it sells bonds that match the amount that it wants to spend in excess of what it taxes.
What you fail to realize is that the government is continually creating (spending) and destroying (taxing) money. That is what it does today and what it has been doing for the last 40 years. The requirement that the government issue bonds in the precise amount that the government spends over what it taxes is, as a mathematical matter, an unrelated add-on. You can excise it and analyze it as an entirely separate government program and the fiscal system continues to work exactly the same way. Because bond issuance has no function to play mechanically with respect to government spending in a modern fiat monetary system, it is an independent operation and ought to be understood and analyzed as such. When it is understood as such, you can then ask questions about whether the government should issue bonds at all, and, if so, how much it should issue.
This link will lead you in exacting (and, unfortunately, painful) detail through the analysis showing why borrowing is irrelevant to spending given the monetary system that we use:
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2012/04/why-does-uncle-sam-borrow.html
See also:
http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=11218
http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=18813
It'd be nice if people just tried to understand the monetary system we have. MMT does propose policy based on its insight, but its core is merely a description of what a fiat monetary system is. I was ignorant about it until recently, and educated me looks back on some of the things uneducated me said and wrote and winces at the absurdity of it.
cartoon_soldier
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Obama is the worst Socialist President ever
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/05/b...getting-smaller-in-the-us-off-the-charts.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/05/b...getting-smaller-in-the-us-off-the-charts.html
maximum360
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maximum360
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AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
It already is a news story by fact that you are posting it. The only difference is, you and liberal blogs are posting it, whereas if it were Obama, it would be that dope Sean Hannity.
Regardless, this is a total non-issue and Romney was obviously in the right on this one. Hell, if I drove my family to go boating and someone told me I would pay a fine if I dropped in, I would do it, too. What's 50 bucks when you have already traveled so far?
The downturn in government spending is at the state and local level. Hardly anything a president has to do with. Obviously he could help push through a bunch of measures that helps encourage states and local governments to spend more, but that hasn't happened (outside of ARRA).
If anything, Obama supporters should be running away from a chart like that. If you want to run on the fact that Obama helped us recover from one of the worst economic downturns in 70 years, pointing to the fact that overall government spending is down is antithetical to liberal talking points.
EV said:
That's fine. There's truth in what you say, so I can't push back on that. It's just that fear-mongering about debt/deficits is so powerful that neither party will ever stop. Hell, it almost got a kooky computer salesman with a napoleon complex elected President.
Cartoon Soldier isn't a news outlet. He even said it shouldn't be a story.
Buzzfeed and Andrew K are, though. And Andrew K is a Republican from what I remember, so your theory doesn't work very well.
Particle Physicist
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The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I kind of agree with AB on this one, posting something about a candidates past and then saying "but it shouldn't matter" comes off as slightly disingenuous.
cartoon_soldier
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As far as I am aware this hasn't got any MSM play. What I am saying in my post is that if Obama had something that like on his record, it would have gotten a lot of play in the MSM. There is a big difference between buzzfeed and Fox News
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I can see that you are telling the truth, but the way you posted it and worded it afterwards was kind of strange, to be honest. Bulbo or Kosmo-esque.
Blergmeister
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Adding my own two cents.
Yes, if we kept printing money we would end up like Zimbabwe. MMT doesn't state that we just keep printing money though. It just states that it is not the deficit that constrains our spending but inflation. We can keep printing money until we get to an unacceptable point of inflation. When inflation is too much we tax to take money out of the system.
Today we put money into the system by traditional government spending and by paying off bonds along with bond interest. We tax/destroy money by traditonal taxation and by taking in money for bonds. Government bonds connection with the deficit is a remnant of the gold standard. We can remove this rule while still leaving in the bond program. Then the program becomes a tool to manage inflation just like taxation is. We can issue as many or as few bonds as we feel economically efficient, just as we can spend as much or as little as we feel the same. We can even issue the same amount of bonds that match the difference between spending and taxation as we do today. Whatever keeps the economy moving efficiently.
The Librarian
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Lugar's running on protecting social security in the primary. Says his opponent will work to cut SS. Oh my.
Lugar has been on the defensive this whole time. He spent the first few months trying to convince people he was still a Hoosier. He is going to get housed.
Skiptastic
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Really? I watch Jeopardy on TiVo and haven't seen him running those ads yet. That's a pretty big reach this late in the game.
The thing I miss most about "cutting the cable" is missing the political ads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_l-RTcGeS0&feature=player_embedded
Considering Mourdock is crushing him because of the support of the base, I guess Lugar is hoping to get some lefties to side with him? Though, we're a closed primary state so who knows.
Skiptastic
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Wacky.
I told my dad he needed to not get a Dem primary ticket and to instead vote for Lugar. Like him or not, he'll be more friendly to the Dems than Mourdock would. Plus, he's got seniority and can help Indiana with those perks.
el retorno
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Yes we have a fiat monetary system nobody disagrees with that. Yes money can be created out of thin air but this does nothing to convince me its the path we should take. Its the proposals that are what drive me away. The fact that it discribes something in a different way doesn't make it "correct"
Yes bond buying has nothing to do technically with spending money but that doesn't mean that we need to spend like mad and play these printing press games that are only going to piss off people.
The fact of that people can opt out of the system US hegemony isn't something that is inevitable.
Deficits do matter (just not all the time). You can't just fund yourself because who is gonna take your money?
Don't you see how investors could just say "screw this" and high tail it out of system that plays with their assets and what not in some misguided effort "to keep the economy moving efficiently?"
And that is why he will get blown out.
Skiptastic
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Which is sad. We need more moderation in Congress. Otherwise nothing will ever get done, ever.
At least he didn't stick him on the roof?
perfect!
I'm pretty sure you won't be banned for your political opinions.
And I'm not sure I know what left morality means.
Listen, if you want a discussion here, then post your paper and be prepared to talk about it.
Because at this point, you're just telling cryptic anecdotes about your college life.
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