Secret Fawful
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Yeah considering it wasn't funny.
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Mother bear KILLS CUB and THEN ITSELF
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Yeah considering it wasn't funny.
Zoramon089
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Probably the saddest thing I've read in a long time...like actually depressingly sad
As a westerner it's hard to get to become overly critical of some of the worst treatments against animals without feeling like a hypocrite at some level. Their really is a huge price to pay for our creature comforts, and whilst recognising that certainly is a superior alternative to willful ignorance, taking the steps to remove those things in your life that are sourced in some part by the suffering of other living creatures is something almost all of us would find impossible. It's kind of why I feel like people who sit at the table and pray to their God for what's on their plate should maybe be thanking the animal along with their provider. Of course, food itself isn't a creature comfort, but on an individual level, we don't need to eat the flesh of another animal in order to survive. Hell, I often look at a mother duck and her ducklings and think "how cute" and a week later I'm ordering duck at the Chinese restaurant 5 meters away from the same man made canal I made the initial observation from.
I don't know what the answer is. Maybe being conscious of it and feeling genuine guilt whilst trying to even out our 'good quota' in other ways is the best most of us can ever do.
Poltergust
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It's legal and there's a market for these "traditional remedies." Sure, not all of China is to blame, but if nothing is being done about backwards practices like these then China deserves to be criticized.
EDIT: Yes, I understand about how animals are treated in other countries as well, but at least they are turned into food or something at least somewhat useful. What China is doing doesn't actually help anyone.
orientalNoodle
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China is usually a century behind western countries when it comes to how animals are treated.
Horrible story. Living in China, I loose my fucking shit when people mention heat or cold air in their body. Lose my fucking mind. China is so fucking backwards still in so many areas.
As to the whole anthropomorphize thing, I think a lot of the times we humans think too much of ourselves and that something like killing your own to prevent untold torment is probably something that is not unique to us.
As to the whole anthropomorphize thing, I think a lot of the times we humans think too much of ourselves and that something like killing your own to prevent untold torment is probably something that is not unique to us.
Cosmetics. They do not help anyone any more than bear bile.
I totally agree. I've been here in Nanjing for a few months and have recently got bronchitis pretty bad. I went to the local clinic and they told me to 'drink hot water' and 'don't eat red food' wtf? Give me some antibiotics or something. My breath is rattling and I'm coughing up green shit but hey - here's some hot water.
AlucarD.eq
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Sometimes it is not only because of poverty, I mean maybe the workers at the farm but these places move a lot of money. A LOT. I think the problem is the market more than the farmers, if people still ask for these type of medicine there will be tortured animals.
I'm living here in Shanghai, I know some older generation (30 and above) are just getting adjusted and may still believe in TCM but the new generation, at least between my classmates and friends gives me a little bit of hope.
People sometimes forget that China 20 years ago was worst in some aspects. I'm not playing devil advocate, I also don't like a lot of things from here, but I do believe change will come, sadly it will take a long time. You guys should check ChinaSmack, usually anything that is trending in Weibo (the Chinese Twitter) can give you a perspective of "young" people mentality.
spindashing
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While the story is terrible and heartbreaking, the way the thread title was formatted was funny to me. Not sure why, I apologize if that offends anyone.
Ingueferroque
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Irrational hatred to Chinese Culture is all I felt for a brief moment there, scary feeling.
My god. A total lack of empathy. This is terrifying.
My god. A total lack of empathy. This is terrifying.
The food and meat industry in basically every country. Mad cow, foie gras, butcher houses. Fur industry. The list goes on.
People don't give a fuck what happens to animals if the end result is food/clothing.
SquiddyCracker
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From my experience, a lot of youngsters in China are simply apathetic about animal rights, but like you said are simultaneously not at all into old-school "folk medicine". So hopefully, the demand will naturally come down with time, stopping these inhumane practices as they cease to be profitable.
To be clear, i'm not arguing against an animal going bat shit insane and killing themselves.
I'm arguing against the "saving its cub from such a life", because it seems too much of a complicated reasoning for a bear.
AlucarD.eq
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Well I'm talking about friends from 18 to 28, and maybe because Shanghai is a metropolis they have a better sense of awareness but some of them show a completely different point of view compared to some old teachers I have that makes me wonder how different it was before so you don't question anything and just accept some traditions even is there are proofs that they are harmful.
FrostuTheNinja
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What a terrible existence.
SquiddyCracker
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I dunno.
Killing one's young when it is unlikely to survive is a pretty common behavior throughout the animal kingdom. Most mammals also experience emotions, more-so if you're a relatively complex mammal like the bear, so if you add these two behaviors you more or less gets the "kills the cubs so that it won't suffer".
OrlanisWorks
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ComputerMKII
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This sensationalist article doesn't mention any reliable source and the Wikipedia article is full of Citation Needed tags. Not very convincing.
BrightEyedPanic
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I've seen this happen with a chicken and her babies when I lived down the street from a family who owned a bunch of chickens and abandoned the home, leaving them behind. They started starving to death and I witnessed the mother pecking her babies to death. We were only able to save one.
Which is so frustrating! Bleh. Also, not completely true. Occasionally people decide to care about certain causes such as shark fin soup.
AlucarD.eq
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Well here is an article related to bear bile and some protest:
Activists Protest Companys Live Extraction of Bear Bile
Activists Protest Companys Live Extraction of Bear Bile
This, basically.
AlucarD.eq
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And to get a outsider perspective this article:
BBC: China bear bile farms stir anger among campaigners
WARNING: This link has a picture of how the bile is collected.
BBC: China bear bile farms stir anger among campaigners
WARNING: This link has a picture of how the bile is collected.
Bitmap Frogs
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Man, couldn't watch the whole video.
Whatever the level of reasoning behind it, the behaviour is indicative of long term, sustained abuse.
Certain amount and quality yes. The rest is luxury.
That's beyond question, of course.
NinjaBoiX
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Huh? "I aint got no money, so imma torture this bear."
Do you think before you post? Do you think the poachers in africa use rhino horns for decorating their homes?
This crap always goes to some rich peoples amusement.
The problem is that China has way too many stupid rich people that have much more money than common sense, they will buy anything with disregard for the environment.
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