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[bjb]

In regards to the other topic being discussed, Valen you're pretty ignorant to call for mass murders of these farmers when it's mostly a cultural issue. One that's rooted in years of tradition. Politics aside of course.

The notion that you have a bloodthirst sparked by your skewed logic is pretty moronic.

 

[zoukka]

Not everything is okay just because it's tradition or culture. Do you support everything people do if it might be in their culture, religion, or tradition? Do you support honor killings too?

Do you think that anyone who doesn't immediately want to kill these people accepts what they are doing? Understanding =/= accepting.

This reasoning 101 was taught in elementary school to me.

 

[Valnen]

Do you think that anyone who doesn't immediately want to kill these people accepts what they are doing? Understanding =/= accepting.

This reasoning 101 was taught in elementary school to me.

Understanding is the same is accepting if you don't want anything done about it.

 

[dc89]

This is bullshit, this should not be happening in 2013. China, get a fucking grip and sort your shit out.

 

[Chavelo]

Hmmm, I'm pretty sure those fuckers love their job! We need to kill them so that their evil won't spread any further! Why, I'm sure they're doing it for free and just enjoy the cries of the helpless animals! SICK FUCKS! GET PETA! THEY'LL KILL THE BEARS IN A HUMANE WAY!

Because they're too lazy to actually take care of the bears, of course.

They just told me they'll get right on that once they're done with their shitty videogame ripoff to make you guys feel guilty.

Also, lemme save this article. I'll post it up two years from now to MAKE YOU FEEL ANGRY AGAIN GARRR OGGGA BOOOOGA

 

[zoukka]

Understanding is the same is accepting if you don't want anything done about it.

Which is your own personal baseless leap of logic. Of course everyone with a shred of humanity in them wants torture to stop.

But at the same time a double standard exists as long as animals are treated bad in your own country, a place where you can actually have a say about the matter.

 

[Valnen]

Which is your own personal baseless leap of logic. Of course everyone with a shred of humanity in them wants torture to stop

Why didn't you just say that from the beginning? Because you wanted to piss people off? You care more about people's imaginary double standards than the animals being tortured it seems.

 

[Dead Man]

Which is your own personal baseless leap of logic. Of course everyone with a shred of humanity in them wants torture to stop.

But at the same time a double standard exists as long as animals are treated bad in your own country, a place where you can actually have a say about the matter.

You seem to be making a leap of logic in assuming they are not saying anything. You are not really making any point with all your posts.

 

[zoukka]

Why didn't you just say that from the beginning? Because you wanted to piss people off? You care more about people's imaginary double standards than the animals being tortured it seems.

lol. These threads would be very fruitful if everyone acted like you and just blurted out whatever primal emotions they feel. God forbid someone does something different.

Your whole outlook is passive aggressive and hostile. Anyone who doesn't post "shit", "horrible", "cunts!", "kill!" is a chinese animal torture apologist.

And I care about things I can affect.

You seem to be making a leap of logic in assuming they are not saying anything. You are not really making any point with all your posts.

You would be correct unless I would've already asked about his position about the treatment of pigs (and example).

 

[MedIC86]

Always when i hear stories about chinese torturing animals i check out a few scene of this movie imdb makes me feel better

 

[universalmind]

Zoukka is just a particularly spiky poster.

I'm pretty sure he isn't trolling.

why do you keep saying 'spiky.' just say 'shit.'

 

[kittens]

That's horrifically fucked up. I'd like to see people who do this get tortured in a similar way.

 

[cyberheater]

fuck China and their bullshit undereducated rural communities killing animals for their fake ass "medicine".

I couldn't agree more.

 

[V_Arnold]

Fuck the superstition and nonsensical beliefs that creates a demand for "folk medicine" made out of random animals.

Fuck human cruelty instead. This is just as bad as caging pigs and chickens for slaughtering them.

Fuck both. Stop looking for things to blame but vile, exploitive human behaviors.
This mother bear had more empathy than many, many humans.

 

[kittens]

I see no need to dismiss or delegitimize any culture's medicinal practices in general. That's beside the point to me. The point is: don't fucking torture animals.

 

[Srsly]

Fuck these douchebags who torture and kill animals so they can make money off retarded, superstitious beliefs. If I had my way, they would be incinerated ASAP

 

[bjb]

I'd like to see people who do this get tortured in a similar way.

Coming from the guy who watches specific porn because he hates seeing women "tortured" - the potential implications of this post are beyond awkward

If I had my way, they would be incinerated ASAP

Lets go burn a bunch of farmers who have been practicing this way for hundreds of years. That makes sense.

 

[Valnen]

Lets go burn a bunch of farmers who have been practicing this way for hundreds of years. That makes sense.

So your literal logic is, because something has been going on for hundreds of years, it's okay.

 

[zoukka]

So your literal logic is, because something has been going on for hundreds of years, it's okay.

I think he means murdering the people is not the best solution. Just a thought.

 

[Srsly]

Coming from the guy who watches specific porn because he hates seeing women "tortured" - the potential implications of this post are beyond awkward



Lets go burn a bunch of farmers who have been practicing this way for hundreds of years. That makes sense.

I like how you conveniently ignored my first sentence. This planet has no place for people who torture and kill wild animals to satisfy a demand for parts for a practice that has been proven to be absolute quackery of a highest order. Fuck these people; they should be tortured, maybe then will they cease their BS.

 

[suzu]

With the growing middle class and family pet ownership on the rise, things will change. It's a slow going process. The shitty government and lack of education & empathy for animals among poor/rural/older folk doesn't help though.

You and me both. I've learned a long time ago to simply not say anything about the Chinese, as I simply can't find anything positive to say. I realize it's reprehensible to unfairly judge an entire culture based on personal differences (yes, I know cats and dogs are food), but I just can't seem to care. I hope that will change at some point.

Always when i hear stories about chinese torturing animals i check out a few scene of this movie imdb makes me feel better

"Japanese troops round up Chinese and Russian prisoners of war and take them to a place called Squadron 731, where they are grotesquely tortured and experimented on to test new biological weapons."

But yeah, let's write-off an entire ethnic group, because everybody in China is farming bear bile and eating cats & dogs.

 

[bjb]

So your literal logic is, because something has been going on for hundreds of years, it's okay.

The irony in you wanting to challenge logic lol

Anyway - to answer your question, not quite. Granted it's a cultural way of life for these farmers. The pitchfork mentality here seems to dismiss that. Blinded by their rage. Also consideration has to be given to other social, economic and political factors.

Ultimately I just thought it was hilarious some dude wants to go set people on fire and murder them in retaliation.

 

[Dead Man]

Lets go burn a bunch of farmers who have been practicing this way for hundreds of years. That makes sense.

Hyperbole, how does it work?

 

[Neo Child]

sounds like she couldn't bear it

(Has anyone done this yet?)

 

[Always-honest]

Jesus China... get you stupid shit together.
What a sad sad story.

It may sound weird. But sometimes i get the feeling that chinese people don't have any empathy

 

[zoukka]

I like how you conveniently ignored my first sentence. This planet has no place for people who torture and kill wild animals to satisfy a demand for parts for a practice that has been proven to be absolute quackery of a highest order. Fuck these people; they should be tortured, maybe then will they cease their BS.

Don't hate the lowest ladder of the industry. As long as there are people who pay good money for this shit, maybe oil some cogs, endless amount of people will take the place of whoever doesn't.

Hyperbole, how does it work?

This thread is a goldmine for examples

 

[Chavelo]

sounds like she couldn't bear it

 

[Diablos]

Bear bile is traditionally used to remove 'heat' from the body as well as treat high fever, liver ailments and sore eyes.

Seriously? What a crock of shit.

Given the Chinese and their technical advancements over the past couple decades it's pretty amazing they still buy into this...

 

[Valnen]

The irony in you wanting to challenge logic lol

Anyway - to answer your question, not quite. Granted it's a cultural way of life for these farmers. The pitchfork mentality here seems to dismiss that. Blinded by their rage. Also consideration has to be given to other social, economic and political factors.

Ultimately I just thought it was hilarious some dude wants to go set people on fire and murder them in retaliation.

Because their culture is irrelevant to me. All that matters is their actions.

 

[televator]

People do this... WTF

 

[bjb]

Hyperbole, how does it work?

You tell me:

Fuck these people; they should be tortured

(2x)

 

[zoukka]

Because their culture is irrelevant to me. All that matters is their actions.

You can only affect their actions by affecting their culture.

 

[Dead Man]

You tell me:

(2x)

If you take every post on message boards literally you will be in for a very tedious user experience.

 

[Valnen]

You can only affect their actions by affecting their culture.

People will stop doing something if it's unsafe for them to do so. The only reason this kind of thing happens is because people with power allow it to happen.

 

[Big-E]

Seriously? What a crock of shit.

Given the Chinese and their technical advancements over the past couple decades it's prettey amazing they still buy into this...

A very large segment of the population does not know basic medicine. Teaching in schools and being around different groups of Chinese people, Chinese people will get a saline drip the moment they catch a cold. It still boggles my mind. They prefer to go into a clinic with a ton of other people who are sick and sit there for 3 hours while they get a saline drip then go home and drink some fucking tea. I try to explain to my students that they don't need saline drips but I have made zero headway because the culture is that you dont feel normal, get a saline drip. I have wasted hours of my life taking my wifes older mother to clinics and getting her useless IVs but I have to do it because it is so ingrained with them.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

People will stop doing something if it's unsafe for them to do so. The only reason this kind of thing happens is because people with power allow it to happen.

People allow it to happen because they lack the energy/drive to change it.
Besides, other people are correct in pointing out that said energy is better spent on changing the situation for animals in their own country rather than some foreign country.

 

[zoukka]

The only reason this kind of thing happens is because people with power allow it to happen.

So your answer to the problem is to wipe out the people. Not the source of the problem!

 

[Valnen]

So your answer to the problem is to wipe out the people. Not the source of the problem!

The people are the source of the problem.

 

[zoukka]

The people are the source of the problem.

I wish I could live in your b&w worldview too.

 

[ymoc]

I'm genuinely surpised by the extreme emotional responses.
Like many have pointed out before, what about the meat industry or animal testing which is an integral part of every western country? Do you think we're any different from the "filthy" Chinese who torture innocent bears for the purpose of creating certain goods?
Where does this disparity to be so extremely shocked by an example of abuse which is a bit foreign to us, but at the same time being completely immune to the things that are happening around us, the things that we ourselves are directly responsible for come from?

It's a tough world and if we are all shouting foul at the Chinese, we should take a good hard look at ourselves too.

PS: The story is horrifying and this practice should be banned ASAP.

 

[Dead Man]

I'm genuinely surpised by the extreme emotional responses.
Like many have pointed out before, what about the meat industry or animal testing which is an integral part of every western country? Do you think we're any different from the "filthy" Chinese who torture innocent bears for the purpose of creating certain goods?
Where does this disparity to be so extremely shocked by an example of abuse which is a bit foreign to us, but at the same time being completely immune to the things that are happening around us, the things that we ourselves are directly responsible for come from?

It's a tough world and if we are all shouting foul at the Chinese, we should take a good hard look at ourselves too.

PS: The story is horrifying and this practice should be banned ASAP.

Now the false equivalency. Holy crap.

 

[ymoc]

False hahaha.

/tread

 

[Dead Man]

False hahaha.

/tread

Yes, false. Farming provides meat that feeds people (although in a questionable manner, at least the end product is useful), animal testing is a necessary aspect of product testing for some products. It can be over used in cases where it is not necessary, but sometimes it is necessary. So yes, false equivalency to a practise that has no net benefit.

 

[ymoc]

So the thing that matters is, whether the product is useful or not.
I'll just agree to disagree.
Cheers!

 

[Socreges]

Oh, China. You really fucking suck sometimes.

 

[bjb]

If you take every post on message boards literally you will be in for a very tedious user experience.

Typically I would just laugh (as his threats/suggestions are utterly ridiculous)

However, given that GAF has been rampant this past month(ish) with pedophiles, individuals who desire to have sex with animals and other disturbed folk- it's been difficult to discern things lately.

 

[zoukka]

animal testing is a necessary aspect of product testing for some products.

Would you call some of these products necessary, important or even beneficial? (cosmetics mainly)

If not, then what's the difference in torturing an animal to create folk medicine or torturing an animal to create products that satisfy superficial needs?

 

[Dead Man]

So the thing that matters is, whether the product is useful or not.
I'll just agree to disagree.
Cheers!

So you feel there is never a case to be made for harming an animal in any way? If you don't want to discuss it that's fine, I'm just curious.

Would you call some of these products necessary, important or even beneficial? (cosmetics mainly)

If not, then what's the difference in torturing an animal to create folk medicine or torturing an animal to create products that satisfy superficial needs?

I would not list cosmetics among the things that should use animal testing. Drugs and new surgiucal tenchiques I would.

So maybe stop arguing with what you assume others are saying.

 

[Carcetti]

That's one of the most horrible things I've ever read about.

Jesus.

Fuck cultural relativity. Countless atrocities are excused in the name of it.

Yes. 'Part of someone's culture' is no excuse for anything. It might be an explanation, but it's not an excuse, whether it's for fucking small children in Afghanistan or milking bear innards. Cultural relativity is a just small step away from pointless moral relativity.

 

[zoukka]

I would not list cosmetics among the things that should use animal testing. Drugs and new surgiucal tenchiques I would.

So maybe stop arguing with what you assume others are saying.

Eh so is it false that animals are tortured here as well as in china for superficial purposes or no? Because you said it was a false comparison.