The Artisan
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I don't think so, no.
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Spider-Man: Homecoming |OT| MCU's Sweet 16 - SPOILERS
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Yeah I can see people being annoyed it's basically an "Iron Man villain" like most of the MCU at this point, but I do appreciate that it felt a lot more physics-bound and hulkingthe scale difference between him and Spidey really worked well.
With the fur-trimmed pilot suit it's actually more "faithful" to the comics than a lot of the redesigns they do now as well.
Man this movie still holds up so well on multiple viewings, I might have liked it even more the second time and I can now say with more certainty it's my favourite of the MCU.
I watched Civil War last night and while it's very good Spider-Man's so much more entertaining. It also felt so jarring seeing Peter's first scene in CW, his personality seems so different. Less talkative and not even fazed by seeing Tony Stark.
I also watched the 2002 Spider-Man two days ago and Homecoming is definitely better while the other is still good as its own thing.
I watched Civil War last night and while it's very good Spider-Man's so much more entertaining. It also felt so jarring seeing Peter's first scene in CW, his personality seems so different. Less talkative and not even fazed by seeing Tony Stark.
I also watched the 2002 Spider-Man two days ago and Homecoming is definitely better while the other is still good as its own thing.
Ragnorok64
Member
I feel like the trailer(s) for the movie showed too much. All the major story beats were shown already.
Twig and Berries
Member
I liked it more on my second viewing too
The movie still has some rough edges though. It's like they dialed down the angst a little too far. Just bump it up like 15%, Marvel!
I just assume that Avenger Tower was sold to OSCORP. No real mention though, just an assumption.
FUBAR McDangles
Member
Just had a buddy text me asking about Michelle's line in DC about Slaves building the monument there.
Apparently this is a controversy among conservatives saying that the writers of Spider-Man put in that line to intentionally put down Washington and make a "leftist statement".
Is anybody else getting crap like this?
Apparently this is a controversy among conservatives saying that the writers of Spider-Man put in that line to intentionally put down Washington and make a "leftist statement".
Is anybody else getting crap like this?
Jesus Christ.
Lol, no. Tell you buddy to get a sense of humor.
Twig and Berries
Member
Next they'll be saying the Civil War wasn't about slavery
But....they already do.
I dont think this was to put Washington down, but I think that in combinition with the protestion is patriotic line by Miles Warren, it was indeed a statement, but I dont see anything wrong, since the movie is so diverse.
The line about protesting may be the bigger statement of course.
Twig and Berries
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King Gilga
Member
Loved it.
I don't know how I'd rank it against 2, I'm planning on rewatching it soon but it's definitely better than the rest easily.
Loved what they did for vulture, from such a bit villain into this guy, a relatable badass. Micheal keaton was great.
tbh I was pretty turned off when they said it was going to be young spidey, I never really cared about him when he was a kid but they totally pulled it off.
I liked how they updated the school setting and characters so it didn't feel like some 80's high school show with jocks and shit.
Zendaya was great, definitely my favorite non main character. Though personally I felt like she would have been a better Gwen Stacy than MJ, but that just might be how I feel from reading ultimate spiderman.
My only real complaint is that the trailers basically covered every combat scene.
I don't know how I'd rank it against 2, I'm planning on rewatching it soon but it's definitely better than the rest easily.
Loved what they did for vulture, from such a bit villain into this guy, a relatable badass. Micheal keaton was great.
tbh I was pretty turned off when they said it was going to be young spidey, I never really cared about him when he was a kid but they totally pulled it off.
I liked how they updated the school setting and characters so it didn't feel like some 80's high school show with jocks and shit.
Zendaya was great, definitely my favorite non main character. Though personally I felt like she would have been a better Gwen Stacy than MJ, but that just might be how I feel from reading ultimate spiderman.
My only real complaint is that the trailers basically covered every combat scene.
I thought that joke was clever because it was totally in character for her to say, and it also set people up to maybe not care so much that Spidey damages a famous American monument.
Is your friend one of the people complaining?
Twig and Berries
Member
I enjoy this movie quite a lot and would probably give it a B+ or 8/10 but a few things I think that would have bumped it up a level
- Underdog by Spoon was a terrible, cliche choice for a music transition when he's walking to school. It's just WAY too on the nose and overused in Hollywood as a musical cue. Pensive silence as he walks from the train to the school would have been better with a less obvious musical cue after the first Flash scene if really needed. I get the feeling this transition tested poorly without the music they used though.
- Either have the decathlon team lose or Ned get hurt by the bomb. Something to give his decision to skip out more consequence
- Have Peter more upset with himself for putting people in harms way after his screw up at the ferry
- There's some Aunt May stuff missing according to Tomei on the press circuit. I don't know what they cut but the movie needed a little more May
- It needed a little more Michelle too. Maybe have a pep talk scene between her and Peter after Stark takes the suit
- Don't give Peter back the Stark suit at the end. Instead, have him download a backup of Karen and start assembling his own suit
- This is a minor nitpick but Peter's wardrobe could have been better. The nerdy graphic T was overdone. I'd expect more ill fitting, hand-me-down looking stuff
That's about it off the top of my head.
- Underdog by Spoon was a terrible, cliche choice for a music transition when he's walking to school. It's just WAY too on the nose and overused in Hollywood as a musical cue. Pensive silence as he walks from the train to the school would have been better with a less obvious musical cue after the first Flash scene if really needed. I get the feeling this transition tested poorly without the music they used though.
- Either have the decathlon team lose or Ned get hurt by the bomb. Something to give his decision to skip out more consequence
- Have Peter more upset with himself for putting people in harms way after his screw up at the ferry
- There's some Aunt May stuff missing according to Tomei on the press circuit. I don't know what they cut but the movie needed a little more May
- It needed a little more Michelle too. Maybe have a pep talk scene between her and Peter after Stark takes the suit
- Don't give Peter back the Stark suit at the end. Instead, have him download a backup of Karen and start assembling his own suit
- This is a minor nitpick but Peter's wardrobe could have been better. The nerdy graphic T was overdone. I'd expect more ill fitting, hand-me-down looking stuff
That's about it off the top of my head.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
We finally get a Marvel Spidey movie and now folks keep talking about bringing back Raimi and Maguire.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Because MCU spidey missed the mark for lots of people.
Raimi's spidey is just unlike any other superhero ever made . I felt attached to those characters in a way I did not for homecoming . The cast just came across as very one-dimensional in homecoming.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Spiderman isn't my favorite superhero and yet Raimi Spiderman just hit this perfect spot for me that no movie superhero(even with ones I technically like better: Bale & Keaton Batman)
had come near it until Wonder Woman.
Twig and Berries
Member
It's pretty funny how easy it is to spot you as a hypocrite. You conveniently hide behind review scores when it suits you, such as in the last TDKR thread, but discount them whenever they don't line up with your worldview. Homecoming was well received regardless of what you think about it.
This joker liked TDKR? Seriously?
entremet
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I guess I'm not seeing the love for this film. Peter Parker/Spiderman feel gutted to fit the paint by the numbers MCU formula. The movie lacked urgency since Spiderman's motivations were rather weak. Why retcon Uncle Ben?! He's so crucial to Spiderman's character and motivations.
I like the MCU, but there's clearly a safe formula they follow. Good art divides. I'm guess I'm asking to much from these films, but it shows how great Raimi's take on the character was.
I like the MCU, but there's clearly a safe formula they follow. Good art divides. I'm guess I'm asking to much from these films, but it shows how great Raimi's take on the character was.
How did they retcon Uncle Ben?
Cause uh...they didn't. At all. And Peter's motivations were pretty solid for being a 15 year old with superpowers for less than a full year who got thrown into a bigger situation than he needed.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
It's confusing in the movie. He was there but then they dropped it for something of unequal value and called it a day. Now people wonder why others don't conisder this a good spider-man.
Drama matters.
Over the last few years I've accepted that people don't pay attention then complain when shit that was mentioned or acknowledged in the movie/tv show happens and it's just how life happens
*shrug*
What Uncle Ben retcon? It clearly happened, but after 6 other Spider-Man movies in recent memory they trust you to understand the references to it in both Civil War and Homecoming without needing it explicitly said or shown again.
Just because Uncle Ben wasn't mentioned explicitly doesn't mean he's been retconned.
Not everything has to be explained point blank. In its simplest form, we're told that Aunt May (and by extension Peter) went through something bad recently when Peter asked Ned to keep his secret, because he doesn't want to her to worry "not after what happened", or something along those lines.
But for a majority of people, we know what happened. It doesn't need to be shown explicitly each time.
Not everything has to be explained point blank. In its simplest form, we're told that Aunt May (and by extension Peter) went through something bad recently when Peter asked Ned to keep his secret, because he doesn't want to her to worry "not after what happened", or something along those lines.
But for a majority of people, we know what happened. It doesn't need to be shown explicitly each time.
During the scene when Aunt May and Peter are trying out suits for the Homecoming dance, there's a shot of a closet full of suits. Why would a single woman living alone have a bunch of men's suits?
As stated above, Uncle Ben isn't retconned, but the clues are there.
chrisPjelly
Member
Even though I generally liked the movie, this is something that irks me soooooo much with Homecoming and Marvel movies as a whole. "Nick Fury is dead... just kidding he's gonna live as a hermit now". "The Avengers are no longer a cohesive group and have become enemies... naahh Captain America mailed Tony a sweet make up letter and Tony smiled". I swear to god there's a committee somewhere in Marvel that explicitly filters out any big emotional moments because they're so goddamn chickenshit of making their audience feel bad.
You must have watched a different movie, because if you think Tony and Steve are on good terms at the end of Civil War, I don't know what to tell you.
Civil War wasn't actually fought over slavery
MCU Civil War
Maybe it was obvious but I also thought on a second viewing May telling Peter to stay away from anything like the ATM robbery was a reference to Uncle Ben.
What CW did I watch, where Tony and Steve ain't exactly on the best of terms come the end and he really still doesn't trust the man who is protecting the person who killed his parents?
Cap is still considered a war criminal in Homecoming and it looks like he hasn't been doing too well in Infinity War.
Celcius
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I saw it over the weekend... I thought it was the best spider-man movie of all time.
I liked how the main theme of the movie was basically "does spiderman really deserve to be a super hero", which is something that I've discussed IRL many times. I laughed plenty of times during the movie and it was cool having Tony Stark in the movie as well. Vulture was also cool and I like how they tied it back to the avengers movies with the weapons and the avengers tower.
I liked how the main theme of the movie was basically "does spiderman really deserve to be a super hero", which is something that I've discussed IRL many times. I laughed plenty of times during the movie and it was cool having Tony Stark in the movie as well. Vulture was also cool and I like how they tied it back to the avengers movies with the weapons and the avengers tower.
Watch it again, he absolutely does not smile.
It's on Netflix. I just watched it again. He grimaces through the whole letter and ends on an ambiguous but clearly conflicted note. It's more of an "I admire your chutzpah at the absurdity of you sending me this letter" kind of face. No smile.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I loved that moment. I guess I haven't heard it/noticed it in any other movies, and since they never play any of the lyrics, they leave the audience to get it if they know the song.
Marvel had enough sense not to go over that whole shit again, most of the viewers know that his Uncle Ben died.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
You're just making shit up to serve your opinion
Some people need to be spoon fed everything.
get a load of this spatula guy
Spatula-fed. DRAMA MATTERS I NEED TO SEE UNCLE BEN DIE IN A SEPIA TONED FLASHBACK
Young teenage boy lives with single aunt
me: CLEARLY there's no implicit tragedy behind this odd pairing
Spatula-fed. DRAMA MATTERS I NEED TO SEE UNCLE BEN DIE IN A SEPIA TONED FLASHBACK
Young teenage boy lives with single aunt
me: CLEARLY there's no implicit tragedy behind this odd pairing
CrazyShady
Member
plus, you know its just the most well known origin story besides Jesus
DeviantBoi
Member
Probably not, but she's smart enough to put two and two together.
maybe Aunt May hasnt been able to let go of Bens belongings because she hasnt been able to fully process the loss, so she never touched his clothes in the closet
Add Batman to that list.