reptilescorpio
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Why would she say something negative at a pep talk? I assumed you meant she was offering them stuff if they back her as president, this is so disappointing. Hilary is boring.
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Trump v. Bernie Debate
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Any excuse...
Aaaaaaaand here we go.
Clinton is exactly the same as Bernie and the supporters want the same thing until we really get down to it. When we really get down to it there are those who want to play nice to those that oppresses them and those who actually want to force change.
'Yeah we can be against big money, until the act of resistance becomes too real. I thought we were just kidding guys!' that's what you are portraying right now.
And the 'resistance' from a social Democrat like Bernie isn't even close to what is needed but still too much for liberals
I'll have you know he is very knowledgeable about candles.
There is nothing inherently evil about making money.
There is nothing inherently evil about having a lot of money.
There is nothing inherently evil about spending a lot of money.
Jack Remington
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She gave generic motivational speeches for money.
She wasn't in total compliance with her department's internal IT and records-keeping policies (not even laws, just internal policies and maybe an executive order).
She was against gay marriage at one point, and now she's for it.
Monster.
If people want to make the email nothing-burger a referendum on her judgment, I'd argue Bernie's multiple FEC violations are a bigger indicator of poor judgment by a long shot. Fuck, the entire last month of Bernie's campaign has me questioning his judgment in most respects. I trust Hillary's judgment a shit-ton more than I trust Bernie's.
She wasn't in total compliance with her department's internal IT and records-keeping policies (not even laws, just internal policies and maybe an executive order).
She was against gay marriage at one point, and now she's for it.
Monster.
If people want to make the email nothing-burger a referendum on her judgment, I'd argue Bernie's multiple FEC violations are a bigger indicator of poor judgment by a long shot. Fuck, the entire last month of Bernie's campaign has me questioning his judgment in most respects. I trust Hillary's judgment a shit-ton more than I trust Bernie's.
Clockwork5
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Do you understand how math works?
Then you should understand that there actually is something inherently evil about having a lot of money.
If that email server's configuration was done for a private enterprise, whatever IT group involved would be fired and litigated against for negligence. That is, if what I'm reading about OWA on 80, VNC open to the web, RDP open to the web, using self signed certificates is true.
It wouldn't even require 'hacking.' It's just walking through the front door.
I must have missed the lesson that went 1 million + 1 million = EVIL.
IrishNinja
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Garrett Hawke
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are they just going to slander hillary for an hour as bernie has already been doing?
irresponsible old man tbh.
irresponsible old man tbh.
Trump will show up, it's free coverage and easy pickings with a lightweight.
soul creator
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http://www.people-press.org/2014/10/31/the-party-of-nonvoters-2/
nonvoters tend to be young and poor, and have not attended college. 43% are non-white, and it's pretty much split equally between men and women. Overall, about 60% of the voting age population didn't vote in 2014.
Seems odd to reduce all of that to "white boys who wanna feel inspired". Not sure that statement matches up with the data.
Peter has 1 million loafs of bread and Suzan, Tim and Chris have to share 1 loaf: How is that not evil of Peter? Is he not aware of the hunger of the others? Is he not aware of the dependency of the others on him if they want a chance to survive? A dependency that impacts the power dynamic, a dependency that inflicts harm on the mental well being of the others.
Peter most definitely is doing an evil deed by having all those loafs of bread as his property.
IrishNinja
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clearly, you've not read the latest thought-provoking piece by HA goodman
Unknown Soldier
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I can't wait for the scapegoating of everyone who supported Bernie if Hillary blows the general election!
ebullientprism
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This could be a genius move if Trump plays it well. All he has to do is to not spew vitriol, agree with as much as he can on what Bernie says, make them both sound like underdog outsiders and he can walk away with a substantial chunk of Bernie's voters in the matchup against Hilary.
Problem is Trump's ego and his absolute lack of finesse might make it a car crash.
Problem is Trump's ego and his absolute lack of finesse might make it a car crash.
Bollocks. This is all bollocks. He earnt them, they're his. Nothing remotely evil about it.
That's a very simplified analogy. People like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, etc. Can only do what they do because they have the money in the first place.
Elon Musk can only do crazy feats of technology because he has the cash upfront. Many, many, many charities and business explicitly been set up to help the less well off, those suppressed, and just generally to improve the world.
Now tell me how these people are bad because they have more money than you or I?
Also under your analogy suggests everyone should have the same number of "pieces of bread", something that has never, ever been achieved at any sort of large scale. It also assumes that everyone works the same ammount which is not true. Many lower income individuals are hard working as hell and some rich are lazy, but that does not mean we should throw out the idea of more pay for more and harder work. There will always be people who make more than others, and that's ok. What's not ok is when it gets out of hand, which is something that absolutely needs to be dealt with. But it cannot be dealt with if people are screaming that when people have more money they are evil.
If they actually go through with this Trump is either going to throw so many low-blow attacks it'll throw Bernie off balance, or go easy on him to win over some of his voters.
The latter being the most likely, and also why it's dumb of Sanders to do this. Good luck ever getting the DNC to help you with anything, especially once Clinton wins the General.
Sanders isn't a very good debater when he gets thrown curve-balls, so what does he hope to gain here? Does he really think he's going to have a legitimate policy debate with someone who hasn't had a legitimate policy debate in the entire Republican Primary thus far?
The latter being the most likely, and also why it's dumb of Sanders to do this. Good luck ever getting the DNC to help you with anything, especially once Clinton wins the General.
Sanders isn't a very good debater when he gets thrown curve-balls, so what does he hope to gain here? Does he really think he's going to have a legitimate policy debate with someone who hasn't had a legitimate policy debate in the entire Republican Primary thus far?
Chie Satonaka
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Maybe I'm being cynical.
Maybe this is what it's all about. Maybe he goes into this thing and just flatlines Trump.
Also, maybe tomorrow I'll fall into a million dollars. :/
eBay Huckster
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seems odd to post this in response to a post explicitly mentioning Kasich, who won in 2010 by 70,000 votes out of 3.85 million chiefly on the back of voter apathy from the exact kind of person I'm talking about (non-white turnout was very similar to 2006)
and that wasn't even the most egregious example from 2010 of a close race in a state with relatively very few barriers to voting swung by people taking their ball and going home
mariachi507
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Then he should stand down and let the democratic nominee do it.
Is this supposed to be satire?
ClosingADoor
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As long as Suzan, Tim and Chris can survive on the bread they earn, there is nothing bad about having more.
There are probably people in the world worse off then you. Do you go out and share all your money with them?
Is this part of Trump's new roadshow debating people who finished second in things?
Perhaps as a follow up he can interview the runner up of The Voice this season and maybe the Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger?
Spoken by someone who clearly wouldn't feel this way if he actually did have a lot of money.
Perhaps as a follow up he can interview the runner up of The Voice this season and maybe the Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger?
Spoken by someone who clearly wouldn't feel this way if he actually did have a lot of money.
I would be willing to watch this, if only to see ideas entertained between the two, because let's face it, one man will not win his party, and the other man has no ideas. I'm a fan of sharing ideas, for at the very least the unaccountable ones are seen in plain view. And hey, no Matrix spinning about Wall Street and linking it to 9/11 or God-given potential from Hillary, so I'd not have to cringe and wish my life would end. 
I just see this as a debate for a debate. I think it will be fascinating. Populism gone awry. One man who tried to imply unity and another man who has done everything to highlight division, and the audience will have different views on who is what!
If they keep it to points each of them bring to a stage, I see no qualms. But this is the same election that has brought up childish shit, and has closed on questions about God. Unfortunately, Hillary shade will be inferred, sincere or not. I suppose that's what withdraws people from wanting this, for it can become a two hour event where the lesser of any running evils is thrown under a bus.
To be fair here, that can in fact ease pain. But that shit is not a panacea, and I'm sure the example his campaign probably used that would have specific information that may have shown their answer as inadequate. Yaknow, meditating on a broken hip is not the solution to ultimately fix it, for example.
The rest is some wooly shit, though.
I just see this as a debate for a debate. I think it will be fascinating. Populism gone awry. One man who tried to imply unity and another man who has done everything to highlight division, and the audience will have different views on who is what!
If they keep it to points each of them bring to a stage, I see no qualms. But this is the same election that has brought up childish shit, and has closed on questions about God. Unfortunately, Hillary shade will be inferred, sincere or not. I suppose that's what withdraws people from wanting this, for it can become a two hour event where the lesser of any running evils is thrown under a bus.
To be fair here, that can in fact ease pain. But that shit is not a panacea, and I'm sure the example his campaign probably used that would have specific information that may have shown their answer as inadequate. Yaknow, meditating on a broken hip is not the solution to ultimately fix it, for example.
The rest is some wooly shit, though.
balladofwindfishes
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Going to be fun watching the Internet cleave itself in two. Which side will be able to stuff the "who won" ballot boxes more? Both have large Internet fan bases.
balladofwindfishes
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I don't think it'll matter for Hillary at all. Bernie will keep the topic on him.
It is only evil of Peter to let them suffer despite his feast, but that requires him to know them and to care in order for that action to occur. Him having what he has is just what he has. It's not a problem of a resource, but a problem of thought, of a self against an other.
I know what you mean with money, but your bread example is weak. Money itself is the problem, not who has it. The dogma behind it is what creates the problem of greed, division, and conflict.
The solution for money is either to change its method of distribution, like a basic income, or abolish the money system entirely. We can't even abolish iron age fairytales without issue, so the last one is a non-starter, and the former may be a non-starter because of the various dogmas within social attitudes about wealth and worthiness.
Your intentions are sincere, but I feel your ways at showcasing them have holes.
Kiraly
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Loaf of breads are not finite, they can be made (e.g. it is not a zero-sum game).
Diprosalic
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lmao this election is the best.
Vigilant Walrus
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Very exciting. Wondering how they will do. The two men have never met. I've always wanted to see Bernie defend himself against the right-wing machine. Will he be up to snuff or will Trump eat him alive? It could go in many different ways, but if the debate does happen, it would be historic.
The Socialist Atheist Insurgent with the largest small-donations grassroots campaign in history against one of the worlds notorious and infamous business men who have fought off everyone.
You cannot say that both men are not incredible at having beat all expectations. They were destined to face off against each other.
Can Trump steal supporters from Sanders, can Sanders steal supporters from Trump? This is the risk in politics.
What they should do if they have this debate is also to invite Jill Stein and Gary Johnson. People who have been barred from the topic of conversation due to their lack of funds.
This election shows you how utterly dumb and incompetent the voting system is. I hope the RNC and the DNC listen to John Oliver and actually say that after this election they will change the way voting works in America.
The Socialist Atheist Insurgent with the largest small-donations grassroots campaign in history against one of the worlds notorious and infamous business men who have fought off everyone.
You cannot say that both men are not incredible at having beat all expectations. They were destined to face off against each other.
Can Trump steal supporters from Sanders, can Sanders steal supporters from Trump? This is the risk in politics.
What they should do if they have this debate is also to invite Jill Stein and Gary Johnson. People who have been barred from the topic of conversation due to their lack of funds.
This election shows you how utterly dumb and incompetent the voting system is. I hope the RNC and the DNC listen to John Oliver and actually say that after this election they will change the way voting works in America.
- If he wins, he shows he can take on Trump, as some of the criticism from DNC voters is they don't think Bernie can take on Trump in GE so they are picking Hillary to ensure Trump doesn't get elected.
- He can deliver his message (which is the most important thing to him through his career) to a new audience that most likely never saw a DNC debate before.
Jacksinthe
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You know what? Good on both of them.
Seriously. If money goes to a good charity this is great no matter what side you are on.
I mean, we all get to popcorn.gif AND let the money go to a cause.
Win/win, IMO.
Seriously. If money goes to a good charity this is great no matter what side you are on.
I mean, we all get to popcorn.gif AND let the money go to a cause.
Win/win, IMO.
Diprosalic
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so this will be a 2 hour long "who can shit more on hillary" contest?
why does the first point matter? Bernie is beat, he'll never go up against trump in the GE.
why does the first point matter? Bernie is beat, he'll never go up against trump in the GE.
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