benjipwns
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They're trespassing in the womb imo.
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Oklahoma Double Execution Botched: "We're going to close the blinds temporarily."
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Plus they ruin vaginas, steal titties and shit all the time. Something must be done about these mongrels.
Arrogant Bastard
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It's part of the mythos that goes hand-in-hand with capital punishment. You are going to die at 9:00 PM on XX/YY/ZZZZ, for the next XX years you will petition this ruling, but you will die on the aforementioned date. Tell me again how this is not a 'cruel and unusual punishment'. The problem that so many people seem to have is their basis of jurisprudence is based in the 18th century, but our understanding of human beings is based in the modern era.
GoldenEye 007
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i dont think they had cars back then
Zvonimir Boban
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Then they're gonna grow up and steal our jobs. Pure evil.
benjipwns
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CarpeDeezNutz
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I just saw the most confusing headline for this.
"Oklahoma inmate dies after botched execution". Threw me off for a bit.
"Oklahoma inmate dies after botched execution". Threw me off for a bit.
Hey, in this economy, you can seat four and do them all at the same time. I'm sure tax payers will love it.
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You are comparing eating pancake to hooking up the exhaust pipe to what is essentially a gas chamber?
Gas Van
Personally, you can do what you like with your criminals. The suggestion of gassing prisoners with exhaust fumes just brought the Nazis to mind, that's all. Other posters can jump on me all they like for referring to them, but in this case it is very relevant.
Edit: Beaten... Multiple times.
NYCmetsfan
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One thing I think is worth pointing out. I've seen a few conservative blogs post about this. One thing that suck out to me is what they're asking.
They're asking you to remember
Its almost an implicit recognition the reaction to another human being dying, no matter how cruel that person was, its a horrible thing. You have to remember something else to over come the basic human understanding that killing is wrong
They're asking you to remember
Its almost an implicit recognition the reaction to another human being dying, no matter how cruel that person was, its a horrible thing. You have to remember something else to over come the basic human understanding that killing is wrong
Arrogant Bastard
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Oh, shit, I'm sure I missed the confusion. Please elaborate.
Kai Dracon
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I do wonder how many people make assumptions about justice for victims without having looked into what actual families of victims often go through in capital punishment cases.
It's often quite twisted, based on what I've read. Not everyone finds closure from executions. For many it just gets worse. Some families are sickened by watching death presented as their "reward" for having a life taken from them - until you see it in person, it's kind of academic and armchair-quarterback. I believe one of the most common sentiments from family members is the depressing realization that nothing changes after a murderer dies. The dead don't come back, reality isn't turned on its head. When you have a real horse in the race - the victim is someone who mattered to you - there's more to it than a passing snarl of contempt at someone who committed a serious crime.
Not all families of murder victims are against the death penalty, but a lot are. (And I think their opinion may have more weight than the average eye-for-an-eye advocate in the peanut gallery.)
It's often quite twisted, based on what I've read. Not everyone finds closure from executions. For many it just gets worse. Some families are sickened by watching death presented as their "reward" for having a life taken from them - until you see it in person, it's kind of academic and armchair-quarterback. I believe one of the most common sentiments from family members is the depressing realization that nothing changes after a murderer dies. The dead don't come back, reality isn't turned on its head. When you have a real horse in the race - the victim is someone who mattered to you - there's more to it than a passing snarl of contempt at someone who committed a serious crime.
Not all families of murder victims are against the death penalty, but a lot are. (And I think their opinion may have more weight than the average eye-for-an-eye advocate in the peanut gallery.)
empty vessel
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Indeed. One has to get the blood boiling. Civilized this is not.
As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.
Hell, we might as well go full-bore in our blood lust and just round up all of death row in one van! You could fit 100 people in that sucker, might as well use it since you know, everyone of them is scum and don't deserve anything better. /s
Arrogant Bastard
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Gentleman Jack
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SlipperySlope
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One thing I've never understood is in cases like this, why not just walk up to him and put a gun to his head?
Seems more "humane" than otherwise, no?
Seems more "humane" than otherwise, no?
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I know. In one battle during WWII my grandfather got shot 13 times, including through the neck.
But if you keep at it I'm sure you can kill anyone in less time than this guy.
NYCmetsfan
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burst veins are real
SapientWolf
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The secrecy and the lack of oversight is frightening. What's stopping them from accidentally giving the inmates drugs that makes them linger and suffer for days? Or even worse, doing that on purpose? The state is not infallible. If a person deems that to be acceptable in their state then they are also accepting the possibility that it could happen to them, even though they did not commit any crime.
...*shivers*
benjipwns
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Incompetency hopefully.
NYCmetsfan
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OrlanisWorks
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Give the prisoner a pizza, couple marijuana chocolates, an Xbox One with Titanfall, inside an air-tight room. Slowly flood nitrogen gas into the room, several hours later, he's fallen asleep dead.
The only reason I've read about being against using inert gas to execute prisoners is that it's "too peaceful" or "too humane." I think it was a conservative who said that.
It'd be hard to botch this.
The only reason I've read about being against using inert gas to execute prisoners is that it's "too peaceful" or "too humane." I think it was a conservative who said that.
Still against capital punishment.
It'd be hard to botch this.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the NRA lobbies against it. After all, an execution of a helpless, restrained person, no matter how heinous they are, is a much more grizzly scenario than a shootout between good guy and bad guy. It's bad PR, exactly why drug manufacturers do not want their products used for cap punishment.
IAmRandom31
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awwwww poor murderer felt pain before dying.
funny how these people can do fuck all to get the death penalty but the moment they suffer a little we scream bloody murder for the insanity to stop.
Priorities.
Can someone explain to me why we worry about being humane while killing a guy like
This? Just curious
funny how these people can do fuck all to get the death penalty but the moment they suffer a little we scream bloody murder for the insanity to stop.
Priorities.
Can someone explain to me why we worry about being humane while killing a guy like
This? Just curious
NYCmetsfan
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Morality
SapientWolf
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What do you think happens when people start to dehumanize other people?
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because we are supposed to be morally superior to murderers.
IxmagicmanIx
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How bout people just stop killing people
NYCmetsfan
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I'm quite ok with bringing back drawing and quartering TBH. I mean if we're jumping on the "why feel bad about killing" train might as well go full bore. I mean we should sell tickets too since I keep hearing financial feasibility arguments as well
OrlanisWorks
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I sure hope you're joking. We are millennia away from something like that.
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maaaaan I just read what this guy actually did. holy crap got chills reading it...... doesn't change my stance on the issue, but holy crap he was horror movie villain levels of evil.
Arrogant Bastard
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And on that note, I think this thread is done, rather I'm done with this thread.
I am anti-death penalty on philosophical and evidence-based policy grounds but I have a question...
Sorry if this has already been asked, but why is the procedure for executing a human with a lethal injection different to that of a sick dog or cat being euthanised?
I've personally witnessed two of my dogs euthanised in my life, and both times it seemed a pretty peaceful, and relatively quick procedure involving one injection (with what I believe is an overdose of general anesthetic). They both appeared to just go to sleep and within a minute or two the vet checked for a heartbeat and that was it (gee it still cuts me up thinking about it though)
Why is this different "cocktail" of multiple drugs necessary (both the new and old combination) with humans? I have heard come across three different arguments, all of which seem to contradict each other.
1. It is supposed to involve the least amount of suffering (in which case, does this mean what our pets go through isn't as harmless as it could be?); or
2. It is the most effective way to guarantee death (do the drugs used on pets sometimes fail? I've never heard of this); or
3. To ensure a little bit of suffering (which disturbs me and I find hard to believe).
Any clarification would be great.
Sorry if this has already been asked, but why is the procedure for executing a human with a lethal injection different to that of a sick dog or cat being euthanised?
I've personally witnessed two of my dogs euthanised in my life, and both times it seemed a pretty peaceful, and relatively quick procedure involving one injection (with what I believe is an overdose of general anesthetic). They both appeared to just go to sleep and within a minute or two the vet checked for a heartbeat and that was it (gee it still cuts me up thinking about it though)
Why is this different "cocktail" of multiple drugs necessary (both the new and old combination) with humans? I have heard come across three different arguments, all of which seem to contradict each other.
1. It is supposed to involve the least amount of suffering (in which case, does this mean what our pets go through isn't as harmless as it could be?); or
2. It is the most effective way to guarantee death (do the drugs used on pets sometimes fail? I've never heard of this); or
3. To ensure a little bit of suffering (which disturbs me and I find hard to believe).
Any clarification would be great.
xDUMPWEEDx
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Tell that to the 19 year old girl who this guy shotgunned and watched as his thugs buried her alive.
Political Correctness has no place in circumstances like this.
LeeRoyBrown
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They should have just peeled off his fingernails and slowly cut up his body until he bled to death am I right Mericans?
This has nothing to do with "political correctness." We are supposedly BETTER then the people we do this to, and should act accordingly.
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