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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
The Independent is a really shit publication. They are - and i hate myself for this - buzzfeedian in their mundanity and clickbaitery.
Frankly, the type of people who are going to get them clicks are the sort who are going to get outraged at news and distribute it via social media are more likely to be liberal, particularly on social/civil issues. Also, people love to complain. It makes total sense for the independent to milk those feeling frustrated for clicks.
I'm not at all surprised by it though. Financially and economically the Tories are their best match, so they back them initially, because ultimately it's the money that counts. Post win, they're now focusing on the morality angle (where the Tories falter) and are seemingly trying to neuter the amount of damage the Tories inflict, in non economic related policies.
31GhostsIV
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Back in a tick...
The Article - http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/in-defence-of-liberal-democracy-10224221.html
Post Article social media responses (via the guardian) - http://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ry-lib-dem-coalition-david-cameron-nick-clegg
They didn't quite a back the full fat Tory gov we have now, they wanted a repeat of the coalition in the event of the hung parliament that was definitely happening.
gove is a total mystery to me, his early 90s topical comedy career is bizarre to remember.
ids is probably either a sociopath or doesn't care enough about his public image to be the face of the mess that is benefits reform
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F212quQ1KI
I'd forgotten this. It is completely bizarre. It isn't even embarrassing it is just terrible.
31GhostsIV
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That's awful and so, so strange.
That's not so bad. Their biggest crime is their hilariously inaccurate election forecast, though that's true of every publication in the country. They seem more pro-Lib Dem than anything, which I think aptly demonstrates how large The Independent's influence actually is.
Wrestlemania
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NiVgKEmDWA
Utterly depressing that we don't currently have a strong opposition leader to also speak out as openly about these things.
Utterly depressing that we don't currently have a strong opposition leader to also speak out as openly about these things.
Sadly they won't as it used to cost a fortune to make. Also ITV are shit.
phisheep
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Neither of those things seems particularly surprising or shocking to me. Of course if there's an oversupply there's downward pressure on wages, economics innit. And the EU warning would probably only shock those who think it economically illiterate to worry about the deficit (though I do like that Ronald Reagan quote "I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself.").
EDIT: Trying to work out what to write to my MP about. I'll probably give a passing mention to the usual suspects (Human RIghts, Civil Liberties etc), but will probably for now focus on the recent vast increase in court costs - partly because it has largely flown under the radar, but mostly because it is likely to have enormous knock-on effects out of court that essentially favour the bullies over the small guy (British Parking Association and Tim Langdell to name but two). Might even have some impact now that my MP is in the Cabinet Office and Gove is new in Justice. Fingers crossed.
Incidentally, I am pleased that Theresa May seems to be doing something about reining in indeterminate Police bail, which has been a blot on the landscape for some time.
So what's the thinking on the devolution of powers to any city that chooses to elect a Mayor?
Sounds like a good idea to me, so what's the issue?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32726171
Sounds like a good idea to me, so what's the issue?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32726171
i see you omitted the part where mark carney said it was partly responsible, and also the part where the bank also admitted low paid jobs were part of the problem.
oh and the part where GDP and wage growth forecasts have been revised down for three years. so much for that strong economy that supposedly won the election.
Sorry partly responsible, carry on, no problem. Just pass a law, job sorted.
Supply and demand is the one part of economics you can't pretend doesn't exist. It is economics. Talk all the macro theory you want, supply directly controls prices. Forcing prices directly controls demand.
fizzelopeguss
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It's who it's coming from that makes me worried. Cameron's "Big society" was a glorious bit of doublethink. One can't help but wonder if this is the Thatcher era Managed Decline repackaged.
Sir_Crocodile
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Kent police have finished their investigation in thanet, unsurprisingly there was no electoral fraud
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32725167
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32725167
Won't happen, but Newzoids is a brave attempt to replicate it that had some funny moments in the episode I caught...
What is your position regarding the HRA? I'd take someone's opinion like yours more seriously than someone like me.
Anyone, yet?
CyclopsRock
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I just had to go back to find the list - one of the entries was "Michael Fucking Gove is the Justice Secretary" - what do you expect people to say about that? He's been given the job because he's proven he has tough skin and he will need that to enact one of the Tory's manifesto pledges.
Personally, I said in the election thread a while ago that if there was an Orange Book party I'd vote for them and my reason given was the Tories slight (and it *is* slight) authoritarian streak. It's not, however, the only or even main thing I care about which is why I'm happy to still support them generally, but if - when the "extremist" legislation is actually revealed - it's crap, I'll be right there with you complaining. As for FOI I just don't care about Charles's letters. And for the paedophile thing, the issue is a lot more complex than has been presented here - there was a thread here on GAF about it a while ago and some people (Inc Phisheep) were discussing it - there's good reason to vote against that OSA amendment.
As for the bacon sandwich, I think we've all gone enough rounds in this here ring to know that none of "us" care about that. Furthermore, it's not like Labour's history of human rights was fantastic.
Nicktendo86
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Anyone know which page the exit poll came out on? I missed the election night fun and would love to go back and read what went on here!
phisheep
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It's a good Act, arguably the best thing that Labour did in 13 years. So I'd much prefer it stayed as it is.
That said, it has become a tabloid bogeyman rather like the 'elf'n'safety legislation and unfortunately that has filtered into political discourse.
It's not the only way of incorporating the Treaty rights into UK law though, and I'm not over-worried about replacing it with something equivalent, given that any substantial change to the remedies in it will never get past the Lords anyway. For me it is a wait-and-see job. It is important to realise that the Act itself grants no new rights, only new remedies through the UK Courts.
ToryGaf here.
HRA - see above
NHS - it's in desperate need of change in many places (I don't think anyone disagrees with that do they?), so lets see what gets proposed eh? It's not like the NHS will get destroyed - no political party, even the Tories - is that stupid.
Benefits v work - again I want to see what is proposed. One of these days I might post in more detail about this, but it is a big complicated area.
Fox hunting - they're promising a free vote. That's democracy innit. The Hunting Act is a rubbish bit of legislation anyway, arguably worse even than the Dangerous Dogs Act, and I wouldn't be sorry to see it go.
Gove - it will be interesting to see what he does. It is rather premature to slate him beforehand. Plus, I rather liked what he was doing in Education.
The BBC is not under threat. Whatever gave you that impression?
Even Blair wanted to block FOI. No surprise there. It's what Governments do.
"Snoopers charter" - all in favour of it provided they do something actually useful like stopping all these unsolicited calls about PPI/accident claims/fake surveys etc etc!
149 on fifty posts per page.
I have said ever since the law on fox hunting came in that it was unworkable, all people see if Foxes being killed, and they stopped it...
But they did not, Hunts still take place as regularly as they did before, they simply read the law and adapted the hunt to stop falling fowl of it, but it is completely broken as unless a police person goes with them then they have no idea what happens
Jezbollah
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Page 75 (on 100 posts per page) fella. Nice to see you back.
They could always make it harsher and more restrictive then. And hell, if they're this hell bent on monitoring all speech, they should track known hunters as well and make sure they're not organising anything illegal.
PrivateRyan
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Tim Farron has announced he's standing for LibDem leader
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PJV3
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Good.
A bit of sensible repositioning and I think they will bounce back. It's not Clegg going into the coalition that made me vow not to vote for them, it's the way they behaved in it.
Waving order papers when the cuts were being announced etc.
CyclopsRock
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They might as well end it now. I can't see anyone else coming close. He's popular with the grassroots, he's basically untainted by coalition, ideologically he's a "fresh start" etc - all the usual check boxes for a new leader. Plus, given all that, their terrible position and the chances that they'll almost certainly end up with more seats in 2020 than now and I suspect he could be leader there for some time.
agreed and crucially he had nothing to do with the coalition and voted against student fees
so he is a clean break
Unlike Labour who are about to play right into the tories hands as no one who is not toxic has put themselves forward yet
Then how do you explain this?
jk
that is the votes it took to win their seats, basically the lower the number the better your party performed
What was the source of this? I'm assuming it was neither Farage nor the party but rather some overenthusiastic Kippers.
I suppose that answers my question.
I could vote for this man.
Independent: 'It might be harder to scrap the Human Rights Act than the government thinks. Here's why:'
Save us Based SNP.
Just saw this and it's something I very much agree with on the New Statesman.
The British public is wrong about almost everything - it's time for basic political education in schools
The amount of people who don't get the system is fairly incredible, even some bright people sometimes surprise me with their ignorance of the system. Obviously the dreariness doesn't help, but I don't think we're ready for Japanese style policy mascots.
The British public is wrong about almost everything - it's time for basic political education in schools
The amount of people who don't get the system is fairly incredible, even some bright people sometimes surprise me with their ignorance of the system. Obviously the dreariness doesn't help, but I don't think we're ready for Japanese style policy mascots.
do you know what disappoints me (and I appreciate things slow down, like this thread for example)
the politics shows, up to the elections the daily politics show was brilliant just about anyone wanted to be on it, after the election it is back to the same old, no one available excuses....
the politics shows, up to the elections the daily politics show was brilliant just about anyone wanted to be on it, after the election it is back to the same old, no one available excuses....
My Wife who has 2 masters, still can not get her head around the FPTP system and how parties can end up with nothing despite lots of votes
Wouldn't the likely result be that they could each go their own way on that?
I like this idea, but I can't see it getting much traction as a mandatory subject. My teen self would have put politics as a subject below RE in terms of how much I pay attention in class.
Would be interesting to see that the reactions are if trialled.
Good lucking getting all those Free Schools to agree to that...
Must have missed the bit where the referendum was a referendum on the Smith Commission proposals, which weren't even an apple in their daddies eye at the time of the referendum.
Scotland didn't have a chance to vote on the Smith Commission report. In the first election post the reports publication, we overwhelmingly (by FTFP standards) voted for the party with the most constructive criticism of the Smith Commission and who said the following in their manifesto.
I mean by that logic, the UK had a vote on EEC membership in 1975, which 67% overwhelmingly voted for. Why are we having another one on the basis on a party getting 36% of the vote?
Thinking about it, I think I got a lot of my earliest political education from secondary school History lessons. Exploring the period between the wars did at least outline a lot of the basic concepts of right- and left- wing, about authoritarianism and extremism, about buildups of hate against minority groups, about the movements of financial markets (the Wall Street Crash) and welfare and stimulus (the New Deal)
I think it's actually quite a good way of framing some of the very simplest concepts and their impact on people, but also in the context of a shift in international relations and the rise of Nazism.
jimbobsmells
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I can't remember learning anything remotely substantial about politics at school. Everything I know has been assimilated well after I had already left University. Even this thread has been a goldmine, I can definitely see myself lurking the new poligaf whenever it's made.
Anecdotally the only people I know who actually care anything at all about politics are those who feel they have been let down by the system at some point. Everyone else seems blissfully ignorant. At least this election has woken me up a bit more.
Anecdotally the only people I know who actually care anything at all about politics are those who feel they have been let down by the system at some point. Everyone else seems blissfully ignorant. At least this election has woken me up a bit more.
I missed doing the Nazis (skipped GCSE History in favour of Music, which I regret), but doing my A level coursework on the Civil Rights struggle in America will always be one of my favourite and most crucial life experiences, I think.
The problem is it's very tempting to say "Oh, that's all in the past" and forget that he who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it. And other such cliches.
Vivalaraza
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Inside the Milibunker - The Last Days of Ed
Interesting read.
Easy to write/say after the event but does sound like a bit of a shambles.
Interesting read.
Easy to write/say after the event but does sound like a bit of a shambles.
PJV3
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Some of it sounds plausible, I've heard bits and pieces. Some just the usual political sticking the knife in the loser stuff.
They knew the SNP stuff was working, Ed writing a winning speech is probably just procedure/something you have to do if there's a remote chance you could win.
The Ed Stone was just daft, someone obviously thought it was a good idea for some reason.
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