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Archer [Mafia] |OT| Wait, I Had Something For This
- Thread starter Ourobolus
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Yeah, everyone that has volunteered: please give reasons.
We all realized at the airport there was no way we were gonna make it to Peru and back in one night so we told the pilot just to take us to Atlantic City. We played blackjack and got matching tattoos, we're all BFFs now.
So not much to mention from the Mission. We had about 80 posts mostly debating if we actually trusted Darryl/Tiger or not. That player swap really threw a wrench into a lot of my thoughts. If you're curious, he did call us names within 3 posts.
My other concern from it was that Mazre remained fairly inactive, like a scum who was there purely to observe any role claims, etc.
Vote: El Topo
I would appreciate it if everyone began voting as they post, rather than waiting. I'll explain my El Topo vote in a bit.
I don't know if I intend to remain a volunteer this time, but I felt better having it in my control rather than someone else.
My other concern from it was that Mazre remained fairly inactive, like a scum who was there purely to observe any role claims, etc.
Vote: El Topo
I would appreciate it if everyone began voting as they post, rather than waiting. I'll explain my El Topo vote in a bit.
I don't know if I intend to remain a volunteer this time, but I felt better having it in my control rather than someone else.
I volunteered and didn't die night one, seems like a good enough reason to volunteer again. That and volunteering early means I get to choose whether I go on the mission or not. Especially considering there wasn't much of any consensus about what to do with volunteering moving forward.
I just want to survive. I'm willing to step down though if someone has a convincing reason.
EzekelRAGE
Member
For a safety net. I sacrifice myself know that if I am killed on a mission, that the remaining spies will be able to pinpoint who among the three carried out the kill. So I volunteer for the better of this agency and dont you ever question it!
TheGoddamn
Member
Hooray for living! Might we have Clone Krieger in our ranks? If so, good job. Your penis can only get so erect.
Everyone who piled into Visualante is immediately suspect/worthy of dicussion in my book, as I mentioned in my original vote for Tiger.
Also caught my eye during my reread: Zubz flipflopped between Squidy and Tiger, ultimately settling upon Squidy. Some of Zubz's stated reasons for voting for Squidy was Squidy's aggression and sudden Visualante slant, which was ironic because this loss of a vote for Tiger contributed in a direct or indirect manner to Visualante's lynching.
Ourobolus, this flipflopping doesn't seem to be reflected in your tally (I don't know if it should be; it might look quite messy).
This post by Zubz also got my attention:
It seemed overly preemptive to protect himself and others who voted for Visualante.
However, it was an incredibly hectic lead to twilight, and it's obviously a scary/impossible thought that everyone who voted for Visualante is scummy, and that no one else is.
Everyone who piled into Visualante is immediately suspect/worthy of dicussion in my book, as I mentioned in my original vote for Tiger.
Also caught my eye during my reread: Zubz flipflopped between Squidy and Tiger, ultimately settling upon Squidy. Some of Zubz's stated reasons for voting for Squidy was Squidy's aggression and sudden Visualante slant, which was ironic because this loss of a vote for Tiger contributed in a direct or indirect manner to Visualante's lynching.
Ourobolus, this flipflopping doesn't seem to be reflected in your tally (I don't know if it should be; it might look quite messy).
This post by Zubz also got my attention:
It seemed overly preemptive to protect himself and others who voted for Visualante.
However, it was an incredibly hectic lead to twilight, and it's obviously a scary/impossible thought that everyone who voted for Visualante is scummy, and that no one else is.
For the bold, I swapped my vote to Visualante because I thought I could get more of a read off Tiger come chat time. i.e. he was missing for over a day at that point, so if he suddenly appeared for night chat it would be fairly decent proof that he had been lurking rather than defending himself.
I've grown suspicious of Topo after his behaviour during the end of Day 1. in amongst the tiebreakers, there he was asking someone where he should vote.
It would be nice if you could do that within the next few hours, so I can still defend myself and don't have to read through dozens of accusations when I come back to this thread tomorrow.
Oh yeah, I had a post ready to go beforehand:
Jay, I made it to day 2!
First of all, R.I.P Dr. Krieger, who will now program fister roboto to suit my specific "needs" when I visit the lab? Truly
a terrible loss.
Anyway, on to the elephant in the room: squidyj and his last minute visualante2 bandwagon that turned out....disastrously.
How I see it that even if Squidyj was mafia with a PR, he still wouldn't be able to have known visual was the doctor, he
probably didn't had the opportunity yet to use his power. So that leaves two possibilities:
-Squidyj is an incredibly unlucky townie that actually believed visual was mafia and darryl (formerly known as greatlord tiger) was not
-Squidyj is an incredibly lucky mafia that tried to protect darryl (formerly known as greatlord tiger) and chose visualante because it was easy to make him suspect
I am personally currently leaning toward squidyj being an unlucky townie. I don't think a mafia member will create a new bandwagon to protect one of their own, they would sooner jump on and push an existing one to avoid attention. So I think that the persons that quickly jumped on the visualante bandwagon are more suspect than squidyj himself.
And look who the first one is to jump on the visualante bandwagon without a lot of explanation:
Good old Seath, the one my vote was on before I switched it to visualante to avoid a tie. So that made me only more suspicious of him. And because I like the idea of having an active vote on at all times:
vote: seath
Of course this vote is far from final and will most likely change before the end of day 2, depending on what happens.
Jay, I made it to day 2!
First of all, R.I.P Dr. Krieger, who will now program fister roboto to suit my specific "needs" when I visit the lab? Truly
a terrible loss.
Anyway, on to the elephant in the room: squidyj and his last minute visualante2 bandwagon that turned out....disastrously.
How I see it that even if Squidyj was mafia with a PR, he still wouldn't be able to have known visual was the doctor, he
probably didn't had the opportunity yet to use his power. So that leaves two possibilities:
-Squidyj is an incredibly unlucky townie that actually believed visual was mafia and darryl (formerly known as greatlord tiger) was not
-Squidyj is an incredibly lucky mafia that tried to protect darryl (formerly known as greatlord tiger) and chose visualante because it was easy to make him suspect
I am personally currently leaning toward squidyj being an unlucky townie. I don't think a mafia member will create a new bandwagon to protect one of their own, they would sooner jump on and push an existing one to avoid attention. So I think that the persons that quickly jumped on the visualante bandwagon are more suspect than squidyj himself.
And look who the first one is to jump on the visualante bandwagon without a lot of explanation:
Good old Seath, the one my vote was on before I switched it to visualante to avoid a tie. So that made me only more suspicious of him. And because I like the idea of having an active vote on at all times:
vote: seath
Of course this vote is far from final and will most likely change before the end of day 2, depending on what happens.
I didn't bother adding in a second strike if someone voted for someone twice and then flipped twice. I can add it in in the future, I just couldn't be arsed to do it when I was posting from mobile.
I'm not calling for anyone else to vote for you unless they have a reason themselves.
I'm going to go back to jeanius.
VOTE: cooljeanius
This was my reasoning and it stands:
When you see this jeanius, all I want from you are reads and votes, of your own accord. No following-the-leader or just quoting people and giving a reply.
Also, PSA:
Let's avoid last minute vote trains here on in. Visualante got caught because we decided his fate at the worst possible moment: when he wasn't here to assert his innocence. It was out of nowhere. There was no way he could've defended himself.
Even if GreatLord didn't need to drop due to sickness (hope you're okay Tiger, and that you rejoin us for Season 4), at least he had ample forewarning to plead his case if he chose to do so.
VOTE: cooljeanius
This was my reasoning and it stands:
When you see this jeanius, all I want from you are reads and votes, of your own accord. No following-the-leader or just quoting people and giving a reply.
Also, PSA:
Let's avoid last minute vote trains here on in. Visualante got caught because we decided his fate at the worst possible moment: when he wasn't here to assert his innocence. It was out of nowhere. There was no way he could've defended himself.
Even if GreatLord didn't need to drop due to sickness (hope you're okay Tiger, and that you rejoin us for Season 4), at least he had ample forewarning to plead his case if he chose to do so.
Ah, okay. Fair enough.
I don't agree (I was involved in the pile on, shock!)
It was day 1 and there isn't much to go on but hunches, Visualante did not play well at all until that point, climaxing in what was a comical out-of-time final post which didn't even attempt to hint he had a role when he was under the kosh. He was a decent shout, it was bad luck he was a PR.
I personally wanted to vote for cooljeanius but by the end of the day that idea was out of the window and it was between Tiger and Visualante. I chose one and it wasn't the correct one. Live and learn!
QuantumBro
Banned
Vote: Darryl
Two reasons:
1) Tiger being saved yesterday was pretty miraculous.
2) I want to see what Darryl thinks of the game so far.
So, what did you all decide?
Two reasons:
1) Tiger being saved yesterday was pretty miraculous.
2) I want to see what Darryl thinks of the game so far.
So, what did you all decide?
Please do vote for someone though.
Basically nothing. We did the obvious things, then more or less decided none of us completely trusted all 3 other members enough at this point to claim anything.
Well that volunteering went super-fast again, can't really say I'm surprised since we came to a no-conclusion about volunteering yesterday. I just hope we won't spend as much time as yesterday about talking about it...
Yesterday sure was a bummer resolution, huh. I do kind of wish that Visualante would have posted at least quickly if he noticed that day was ending before his post was ready, but I guess we can't do much about it anymore.
And, welcome to the game Darryll, haven't played with you yet. I voted your previous incarnation GLT yesterday, but since some of his actions yesterday (like being completely silent when accused...) can be explained with him having to replaced from the game, I don't see you as my number one scum-candidate at the moment
.Well I do have some problems with GLT's acting yesterday, but understandably I really can't ask you to explain them .
One thing that does bother me about GLT yesterday is the last hour or so about yesterday. Was Squidjy trying to steer the votes away from a fellow scum, and was successful? In the other hand it seems possible but at the same time I don't feel like mafia would do that in day 1 already, since they might get caught in the long-run anyway? It's kinda bothering me, but I do want to see what Squidjy has to say first.
Yesterday sure was a bummer resolution, huh. I do kind of wish that Visualante would have posted at least quickly if he noticed that day was ending before his post was ready, but I guess we can't do much about it anymore.
And, welcome to the game Darryll, haven't played with you yet. I voted your previous incarnation GLT yesterday, but since some of his actions yesterday (like being completely silent when accused...) can be explained with him having to replaced from the game, I don't see you as my number one scum-candidate at the moment
.Well I do have some problems with GLT's acting yesterday, but understandably I really can't ask you to explain them .One thing that does bother me about GLT yesterday is the last hour or so about yesterday. Was Squidjy trying to steer the votes away from a fellow scum, and was successful? In the other hand it seems possible but at the same time I don't feel like mafia would do that in day 1 already, since they might get caught in the long-run anyway? It's kinda bothering me, but I do want to see what Squidjy has to say first.
I don't agree with your analysis. That said, even if I followed your logic, you forgot the third option: Squidyj could very well be neutral.
I'm not going to vote for anyone right now, because I have not thought about the past days, nor has anyone given me convincing reason to vote for anyone.
If anything, I find it weird no one has addressed the real elephant in the room, namely that no one died, even though we lost our doctor.
Second doctor seems like overkill, unless mafia have some nasty roles. Blocker seems most reasonable, since I don't see a reason mafia wouldn't kill (unless they're all on the mission, which seems unlikely), but it would be best (since as you say he might've uncovered a mafia player) to not reveal that at this point.
True, though clone Krieger fits the theme, maybe he's different in that he gains his ability only after the actual Krieger has died, stepping into his role so to speak. All conjecture of course.
That sounds pretty damn cool. I guess it's possible. Maybe we have a switcher, who swapped a target with the killer?
Seemed like a fairly limited set of possibilities to me.
1. They chose not to kill anyone
2. The killer was role blocked
3. The target was saved by a doctor/jailer/something
4. The target was Tough or otherwise NK Immune
For 1, there's nothing to argue for 1. We would have no way to prove it if this was the case.
For 2, the only way we'll know is if the Role Blocker essentially role claims. They should definitely drop a hint if possible, but absolutely should not role claim yet. The hint shouldn't be too obvious, but is something we can look back at and find if they ever get killed.
3 is sort of the same way. We can guess that whoever was saved is PROBABLY town, but not guaranteed. This is absolutely not worth role claiming for at this point, but again, try and drop a hint at some point.
4 isn't very helpful. The person targeted might not even know it, and we probably can't verify their claim at this point anyway.
EzekelRAGE
Member
hmm, was wondering whether or not I should disclose this after I was pm'd, but at this time I feel safe enough knowing that I will survive easily for the majority of the game through my ability and the mission thing. Maybe someone can read into the posts from the previous day phase that I can't. I am Sterling Archer
I am unkillable at night unless I get caught by Honeypot, my one weakness.
I dont know if there was more than one kill last night, but I do know the KGB put a hit out on me and failed like the miserable bastards they are. Due to only being able to be killed by one type of KGB. I will volunteer for every mission every day phase.
I am unkillable at night unless I get caught by Honeypot, my one weakness.
I dont know if there was more than one kill last night, but I do know the KGB put a hit out on me and failed like the miserable bastards they are. Due to only being able to be killed by one type of KGB. I will volunteer for every mission every day phase.
I'm too late to make it (Just got done talking to the landlord), but just in case...
Volunteer
How did it go, by the way? I'm honestly really curious to see how it went/what happened. And I'm sure that President was gonna die anyway, right? Since I think I understand how this process works, I kinda want to give it a shot.
As for us all surviving the night, I'm assuming that it's either Vis who saved us, one of them famous Krieger Clones, or there's some other power at play that blocked the KGB. Either way, it's weird, and probably happened by chance. I didn't think anyone stood out enough to be a KGB target, let alone one that a Doctor would know to protect. I'm sure the Dead Thread's having fun, either way.
I know people seem to think Squidy's just an unlucky Agent who accidentally got us to bandwagon against a Power Role during the last 30 minutes of Day 1, but I still can't help but be suspicious of him. He struck me as odd before that debacle yesterday (A lot of his explanations are vague, never given, or based entirely on flavor he made, and he just exhibited generally aggressive behavior, which always attracts my suspicion), but a last second bandwagon on Vis, while throwing suspicion onto Palmer, Septimus, and myself by arguing we were in cahoots with the late Agent, just seems very suspicious to me. I mean, we were all voting for Tiger, but at the same time, so were Burb and Damn. I still don't know why the 4 of us in particular were targets.
Again, I almost hopped on the Vis train, and I was unsure about voting for Tiger/Darryl before switching my suspicions to Squidy. Plus, in his defense, Vis was relatively inactive. But nevertheless, the whole thing just seemed so sudden to me, especially because it was in response to Tiger/Darryl suddenly having a strong lead near the end of the day. So unless further developments give me something stronger to go on elsewhere, or give me a reason to trust Squidy, I'm going to maintain my vote from the end of the day yesterday.
VOTE: SquidyJ
Volunteer
How did it go, by the way? I'm honestly really curious to see how it went/what happened. And I'm sure that President was gonna die anyway, right? Since I think I understand how this process works, I kinda want to give it a shot.
As for us all surviving the night, I'm assuming that it's either Vis who saved us, one of them famous Krieger Clones, or there's some other power at play that blocked the KGB. Either way, it's weird, and probably happened by chance. I didn't think anyone stood out enough to be a KGB target, let alone one that a Doctor would know to protect. I'm sure the Dead Thread's having fun, either way.
I know people seem to think Squidy's just an unlucky Agent who accidentally got us to bandwagon against a Power Role during the last 30 minutes of Day 1, but I still can't help but be suspicious of him. He struck me as odd before that debacle yesterday (A lot of his explanations are vague, never given, or based entirely on flavor he made, and he just exhibited generally aggressive behavior, which always attracts my suspicion), but a last second bandwagon on Vis, while throwing suspicion onto Palmer, Septimus, and myself by arguing we were in cahoots with the late Agent, just seems very suspicious to me. I mean, we were all voting for Tiger, but at the same time, so were Burb and Damn. I still don't know why the 4 of us in particular were targets.
Again, I almost hopped on the Vis train, and I was unsure about voting for Tiger/Darryl before switching my suspicions to Squidy. Plus, in his defense, Vis was relatively inactive. But nevertheless, the whole thing just seemed so sudden to me, especially because it was in response to Tiger/Darryl suddenly having a strong lead near the end of the day. So unless further developments give me something stronger to go on elsewhere, or give me a reason to trust Squidy, I'm going to maintain my vote from the end of the day yesterday.
VOTE: SquidyJ
Wouldn't that make that player pretty much immortal against night kills? Sounds a bit overpowered.
Yes, it's really not a good topic to discuss. I wouldn't want to put pressure on whoever it was and lose another protective role two days in a row.
Like it was said elsewhere, don't claim unless you're in plurality and it's the last day, and don't drop hints unless you can mask it well (and masking it too well will just make it undetectable so, best to just not attempt it at all).
Like it was said elsewhere, don't claim unless you're in plurality and it's the last day, and don't drop hints unless you can mask it well (and masking it too well will just make it undetectable so, best to just not attempt it at all).
I'm fluffy on Honeypot, does that basically mean only one specific KGB can order the kill on Ezekel?
I'm thinking going after him on day 1 makes sense, he was reasonably quiet and would be a bit of a non-agenda kill, but his late play in AC makes me think he would be dangerous to mafia the longer he is in. It would have been a good time for the mafia to jump him.
I'm thinking going after him on day 1 makes sense, he was reasonably quiet and would be a bit of a non-agenda kill, but his late play in AC makes me think he would be dangerous to mafia the longer he is in. It would have been a good time for the mafia to jump him.
If you're virtually unkillable, why did you go on a mission in the first place, EzekelRAGE? In addition, why would mafia attempt a kill during the mission, when that gives us at least a 1/3 chance of getting a mafia member? Why would you even reveal your role at this point, if all you do is to use it to justify going on missions?
I'm sorry, but...what?
I'm sorry, but...what?
That's a good point. That role claim means that town could've won the very first day. Even if we assume that Honeypot has additional safety, such as immunity during the night, that seems incredibly unbalanced in favour of town.
hmm, was wondering whether or not I should disclose this after I was pm'd, but at this time I feel safe enough knowing that I will survive easily for the majority of the game through my ability and the mission thing. Maybe someone can read into the posts from the previous day phase that I can't. I am Sterling Archer
I am unkillable at night unless I get caught by Honeypot, my one weakness.
I dont know if there was more than one kill last night, but I do know the KGB put a hit out on me and failed like the miserable bastards they are. Due to only being able to be killed by one type of KGB. I will volunteer for every mission every day phase.
You could have waited to reveal this. Claiming it when you weren't in danger is a bad play. You should have just put yourself on missions, MAYBE explained it there to a smaller group, and only claim if you were closed to being lynched, or didn't make it onto a mission. You might have tricked the Mafia into wasting more kills on you in the meantime.
How exactly do you know you were targeted? and remember you can't directly quote.
Mike_Hawk689
Member
He said he could die with Honeypot, so technically he's not unkillable.The only way he's really going to be invincible is for him to be in the missions and to keep Honeypot out of the mission for his safety.
I don't think it makes him safe from lynches. The thing is we would never have known that town has "effectively" won and gone on as usual, lynching and accusing. If he claimed this in defense of a lynch, like, "Yeah I forgot to tell you guys I technically became invincible day 1", well, I'm pretty sure people would likely lynch him based on how ridiculous it is.
QuantumBro
Banned
EzekelRAGE, are you able to kill or target Honeypot?
There's also the possibility he's trying to get the real Archer to counter-claim, which if this is the case, please don't counter-claim..
There's also the possibility he's trying to get the real Archer to counter-claim, which if this is the case, please don't counter-claim..
Septimus Prime
Member
I also found this really weird. My initial reaction at that time was, who the hell is Zubz, and what makes him suspicious? And then, on top of that, he got he ball rolling on Visualante, diverting a whole bunch of people who were voting for GLT/Daryl. I also wonder if that means that he is a KGB trying to protect one of his own.
VOTE: squidyj
If it turns out he's KGB, there's a good chance Daryl is, too.
Ohhh my head hurts. Looked up Bulletproof roles which is a thing, but I just can't fathom a potential God mode townie if we happen to kill the right KGB member.
Coupled with the missions as well, it's seems very much too much in favour of town.
I can't go to bed with this bombshell in my brain.
Coupled with the missions as well, it's seems very much too much in favour of town.
I can't go to bed with this bombshell in my brain.
Don't we get to see the role description of honeypot if he died? That would tip us off on the exsistense of this Archer role.
Mike_Hawk689
Member
inb4 Crab barging in saying that you only role claim when you are on the brink of getting lynch....