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[jerry113]

I don't really like what I'm saying, but I think we should nuke them. Just a one time nuke. Fuck off.

Er, no. Ludicrous. You think ISIS exists as one convenient, geographically cohesive entity free of millions of innocent civilians suffering under their regime?

Not to mention that a nuke's fallout would spread across a region densely populated by different countries....

 

[Mammoth Jones]

The world's leading nations preferably. The US, UK, France, Russia - but pretty much whoever is willing to do something about this fucking travesty. The governments nearest the regions ISIS operates in need to get involved too.

Something has to be done.

Can't disagree. Sometimes there's evil and it needs to be stomped out.

ISIS is evil.

Problem is war isn't the clean and methodical process that people tend to sometimes think it is. It's nasty, gritty and brutal even under optimal conditions. I don't think those nations can do what's required in the modern age of Twitter and HD video streaming across the earth in moments.

 

[APZonerunner]

Didn't they also email photos of her corpse to her family (who they'd been in contact with for ransom purposes early on) after she was killed? If I'm remembering right. What she and her family has been through is unspeakable; in many ways worse than those poor people who were held and beheaded.

There are really no words.

 

[enzo_gt]

Can't get worse than that for your family, really. Your daughter devotes herself to make the world a better place, ends up being taken hostage, raped repeatedly by the leader of seemingly the largest terrorist organization in the world, then killed. :/

 

[Bry0]

Just imagine the helplessness she must have felt. Poor girl.
Truly a nightmare, and a great example of how barbaric this group is. It's evil. Imagine how much of this is going on that we don't know about...

 

[HariKari]

Can't get worse than that for your family, really. Your daughter devotes herself to make the world a better place, ends up being taken hostage, raped repeatedly by the leader of seemingly the largest terrorist organization in the world, then killed. :/

Delta killed the owner of the house she was held at. They're actively looking for al-Baghdadi. Doesn't make up for the loss, but they're not going to get away with it.

 

[Two Words]

I don't understand the point of that comment.

What Im saying is that saying "yeah we killed her but she was gettting raped all the time so I guess we kinda freed her, in a way" is a shitty way to go about things

It sounds like she was collateral damage. It's likely that they did not know of her presence at the target sight.

 

[Calamari41]

Can't disagree. Sometimes there's evil and it needs to be stomped out.

ISIS is evil.

Problem is war isn't the clean and methodical process that people tend to sometimes think it is. It's nasty, gritty and brutal even under optimal conditions. I don't think those nations can do what's required in the modern age of Twitter and HD video streaming across the earth in moments.

ISIS cannot be defeated unless the military goes in with an old fashioned total war SOP. The twitter generation will not tolerate such a thing, so I don't see why the US should go in. All they have to do is wait us out again. What's the point?

 

[The Technomancer]

Just horrible

 

[Envelope]

Didn't they also email photos of her corpse to her family (who they'd been in contact with for ransom purposes early on) after she was killed? If I'm remembering right. What she and her family has been through is unspeakable; in many ways worse than those poor people who were held and beheaded.

There are really no words.

no

 

[jelly]

I know humans can do evil things but it's still hard to imagine people being that evil time and again, also as a collective is even more crazy. to think they were babies, children once.

 

[TimeEffect]

I would not want to know this. I wonder if they wanted to know. Unbearable

 

[HariKari]

I would not want to know this. I wonder if they wanted to know. Unbearable

They wanted to dispel the notion that she went willingly or became a bride of ISIS, that sort of thing. They want the world to understand the evil that they should be paying more attention to. Very admirable and strong of them.

 

[Woody Invincible]

Reading this made me almost shake with anger. How can people like this exist?

 

[| Praxis |]

I would not want to know this. I wonder if they wanted to know. Unbearable

I would want to know myself.

Just imagine what families go through during trials, sitting and listening to the testimony of the the person that did that to your loved one. That takes courage and restraint that I don't think I'd be capable of.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

ISIS cannot be defeated unless the military goes in with an old fashioned total war SOP. The twitter generation will not tolerate such a thing, so I don't see why the US should go in. All they have to do is wait us out again. What's the point?

Twitter generation will not tolerate it in what way?

 

[HiredN00bs]

What. The. Fuck.

Sometimes I wish there was an all powerful being that could put an end to all of this evil.

It would be nice.

 

[| Praxis |]

Twitter generation will not tolerate it in what way?

The cost in life of soldiers and civilians would be too much. Especially the type of warfare that would have to be used to actually destroy IS as much as is actually possible. The appetite isn't there.

 

[bill0527]

The world's leading nations preferably. The US, UK, France, Russia - but pretty much whoever is willing to do something about this fucking travesty. The governments nearest the regions ISIS operates in need to get involved too.

Something has to be done.

Bill Burr brought up something poignant in a comedic way on his podcast this week.

All of those aforementioned countries somehow managed to take down one of the most brutal regimes this planet has ever seen in Nazi Germany, along with Japan, Italy and whoever the fuck else was on that side and they did it in 5 years.

15 fucking years almost we've been in the Middle East and things are no better, and even worse in some places.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

The cost in life of soldiers and civilians would be too much. Especially the type of warfare that would have to be used to actually destroy IS as much as is actually possible. The appetite isn't there.

That isn't just the Twitter generation not tolerating it. That's a widely held feeling and burnout from two failed and costly wars.

Seems an odd way to frame it as just the Twitter generation not tolerating it.

 

[Loakum]

The question remains, will the American people support going to war with troops on the ground, to take out these Isis bastards?

 

[| Praxis |]

That isn't just the Twitter generation not tolerating it. That's a widely held feeling and burnout from two failed and costly wars.

Seems an odd way to frame it as just the Twitter generation not tolerating it.

Yeah, that isn't a great term I agree.

 

[Calamari41]

Twitter generation will not tolerate it in what way?

I don't think that people would tolerate live video streams, via countless cell phones, of the kind of war which would need to be waged in order to truly defeat a group like ISIS.

Specifically:

Bill Burr brought up something poignant in a comedic way on his podcast this week.

All of those aforementioned countries somehow managed to take down one of the most brutal regimes this planet has ever seen in Nazi Germany, along with Japan, Italy and whoever the fuck else was on that side and they did it in 5 years.

15 fucking years almost we've been in the Middle East and things are no better, and even worse in some places.

The public wouldn't tolerate the tactics we (and especially the Russians) used to win that war.

Edit:

That isn't just the Twitter generation not tolerating it. That's a widely held feeling and burnout from two failed and costly wars.

Seems an odd way to frame it as just the Twitter generation not tolerating it.

I didn't mean that as a slam against millenials or anything. I just used the term to represent society as it stands today.

 

[HariKari]

15 fucking years almost we've been in the Middle East and things are no better, and even worse in some places.

WW2 was a different time, and a different kind of war. Those countries were also wholly committed to the destruction of the opposition. When you get guerrilla resistance plus halfhearted commitment to the cause, you get the situation in the Middle East.

ISIS is so hated by rival tribes, however, that I think they could be pushed back more readily. Moderates wouldn't shelter them.

 

[SteveO409]

OT: where i read depressing and morbid reality articles. I cant handle reading all this stuff anymore...do you guys take breathers on only visiting OT? this stuff makes my heart bleed

 

[Kusagari]

This shit is horrifying.

I can't imagine the hopelessness of being the sex slave for the leader of ISIS, knowing that there's no end until they eventually decide to dispose of you.

 

[| Praxis |]

The public wouldn't tolerate the tactics we (and especially the Russians) used to win that war.

Exactly, I just can't imagine a scenario where warfare on the scale of ww2 would be used against IS. Unless we were sure they were close to getting a nuke or something.

 

[Dabanton]

The world's leading nations preferably. The US, UK, France, Russia - but pretty much whoever is willing to do something about this fucking travesty. The governments nearest the regions ISIS operates in need to get involved too.

Something has to be done.

I don't think any world power has the stomach for a ground war, also nothing would please ISIS more than the west invading.

It's a clusterfuck of a situation.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Yeah, that isn't a great term I agree.

The point is information travels incredibly fast compared to back then. Would support for that war have been the same if people could have seen it in real time in all its high-dead horror?

The will to stop ISIS isn't there and in addition to the failed war in Iraq I think it's a factor in why there's no will now to carry out the type of war that'd be required to stop them.

I don't think any world power has the stomach for a ground war, also nothing would please ISIS more than the west invading.

It's a clusterfuck of a situation.

Yea. That too. ISIS wants us in there.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

It's horrible and I feel for her family, but it's the reflection of the time we live in. And we helped to foster it.

 

[m_dorian]

Those people are not only an insult to their religion but also a huge stain on humanity. Something needs to be done to end this.

 

[Crayons]

humanity was a mistake, it's nothing but trash

 

[televator]

Isn't this the same woman that Fox contributors were blaming for her own death? Debbie Schluzel or whatever the fuck her name is was saying that it was her own fault for being a leftist Muslim sympathizer.

I bet she'll say some more shit about her shortly.

 

[Calamari41]

Isn't this the same woman that Fox contributors were blaming for her own death? Debbie Schluzel or whatever the fuck her name is was saying that it was her own fault for being a leftist Muslim sympathizer.

I bet she'll say some more shit about her shortly.

Link?

 

[water_wendi]

Amazingly brave that she tried to protect those 2 other hostages. RIP.

This! Stay so that others can escape? Thats real deal heroics right there.

 

[CrunchyB]

ISIS cannot be defeated unless the military goes in with an old fashioned total war SOP.

That won't work either, ISIS would split up and hide in the general population. Unless you kill virtually every living person in the Middle East, there will still be random terror attacks.

Yes it's fucked up. Thanks a lot Dubya.

What the Middle East needs most of all is stable nations, but we're a long way off from that. Even Turkey is looking shakey at the moment.

 

[MMarston]

Those people are not only an insult to their religion but also a huge stain on humanity. Something needs to be done to end this.

This will sound overly dramatic, but these guys are officially this decade's Nazis.

 

[params7]

When the teenaged Yazidi girl escaped with her sister, she asked Mueller to accompany her, the parents were told, but Kayla refused, worrying that her obvious Western appearance would lead to their capture.

She's a hero.

 

[Calamari41]

This will sound overly dramatic, but these guys are officially this decade's Nazis.

If they had the relative resources, technological expertise, and organization that the Nazis had, they would probably be way worse.

 

[televator]

Link?

I can't believe I gave her page a click, but here:
Kayla Mueller: Dead ISIS Hostage Was Jew-Hating, Anti-Israel Bitch
Proudly written by Debbie shit stain of humanity Schussel

Here is a little sample of that written atrocity:

No tears for the newly-departed Kayla Mueller, the ISIS hostage whose parents confirmed today that she is dead. Mueller was a Jew-hating, anti-Israel piece of crap who worked with HAMAS and helped Palestinians harass Israeli soldiers and block them from doing their job of keeping Islamic terrorists out of Israel. She also worked to prevent Israel from tearing down terrorists’ “houses,” which the Palestinian terrorists used to smuggle weapons from and to HAMAS in order to perpetrate terrorist attacks. And she wrote several lying, anti-Israel blog posts.

Edit: link gladly removed. Uuuuugh... What a piece of shit.

 

[Doc Az]

I can't believe I gave her page a click, but here:
Kayla Mueller: Dead ISIS Hostage Was Jew-Hating, Anti-Israel Bitch
Proudly written by Debbie shit stain of humanity Schussel

Here is a little sample of that written atrocity:

I would actually remove that link, giving her the traffic is exactly what she wants. What sort of disgusting human being would say things like this, hell, even if she WAS racist, which she very clearly wasn't, nobody deserves this sort of hell.

Absolutely horrific.

Edit: Thanks for removing the link, those who are curious, just don't bother.

 

[Calamari41]

I can't believe I gave her page a click, but here:

Here is a little sample of that written atrocity:

Yeah, I know I asked for the link, but you probably should take it down to keep her from getting hits. I had no idea it would be that bad. She's like a living strawman or something. Yikes.

 

[Dishwalla]

I can't believe I gave her page a click, but here:
Kayla Mueller: Dead ISIS Hostage Was Jew-Hating, Anti-Israel Bitch
Proudly written by Debbie shit stain of humanity Schussel

Here is a little sample of that written atrocity:

This is by a person who is employed by an entity that claims to be a major news organization? Jesus.

 

[ICKE]

What is the allure of ISIS?

What is it that I'm not seeing, that makes folks decide to go to the middle east, and take up arms, and commit atrocities against their fellow man?

The loot.

If you rise through the ranks, you can probably have any young woman you desire. They are selling 10 year old girls in the market for a pittance and the most attractive individuals are distributed among soldiers. And then you have the additional factor of religion that justifies everything.

Today there was an account of some young Yazidi who was repeatedly raped and the ISIS member would always pray before the deed to make it fine with God.

 

[ultratruman]

So she got killed by US air strikes
And the US governement is telling her familly "she was repeatedly tortured and raped"

hmmm......

We need a version of Godwin's Law for this kind of shit.

 

[televator]

I took down the link. Ya'll who quote me, should do the same.

 

[Flying Toaster]

So she got killed by US air strikes
And the US governement is telling her familly "she was repeatedly tortured and raped"

hmmm......

Are you even fucking kidding me? Read what happened. Jordanian airstrikes.

I am all for defending stupid shit but there are lines...

 

[King_Moc]

Fucking hell. These animals are fucking wretched.

The lack of boots on ground from the NATO countries is a complete mystery to me. The one time they'd actually have support from people, they don't want to fucking do it!

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

What's the appeal of ISIS

 

[King_Moc]

What's the appeal of ISIS

They let you rape and kill whoever the fuck you want and pretend that a sky daddy said it was all cool, cos those people had a different religion to you. Or were women.