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Uncharted 4 New Character Trailer: Nadine Ross (Laura Bailey)

Uh...

That isn't what people are arguing about in this thread.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

There was a statement not far above mine talking about how her being dismissed by Drake was a trope and her taking off heels was ridiculous and blah blah and I've read many statements in the same vein. The whole race thing isn't even worth mentioning it is so dumb

Man GAF is turning into a regular shit hole on the same level as Gamefaqs. What happened here?
 

SomTervo

Member
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

There was a statement not far above mine talking about how her being dismissed by Drake was a trope and her taking off heels was ridiculous and blah blah and I've tried many statements in the same vein. The whole race thing isn't even worth mentioning it is so dumb

Ah, fair enough.

Re the race thing: it's not dumb at all. If people ever get into polemics about something, the fact that they're talking about it means it's not dumb. It can't be a 'dumb' topic if it's generated 10+ pages of discussion in one day. Regardless of the arguments themselves.
 
Can't wait for people to complain that you shouldn't have a fight scene between a male and female in a game.

I can already see the Anita video.

This made me chuckle.
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I see feminism is still not quite understood by a lot of people.
 

UrbanRats

Member
I dislike the character for those same reasons. The flirty banter + "Oh wait, she can actually kick my ass" + 'Glad I can get out of these stupid high-heels and fight' thing is so done.

It's that typical, trope-ish way of showing her to be not your ordinary girl.

Maybe it'll make more sense in context, but I liked the character more as the military leader Nadine appeared to be in the concept art.

Uncharted has always been filled and built on cliches of the genre.
 
I think one thing games can improve on for future gens is better clothes. It'd be cool if Nathan's shirt sorta hung down realistically as he bent over, but instead it's kind of plastered to him.
I agree that games could improve on this, but in this case, he's wearing a dress shirt that looks to be tucked in. There's not much hanging the shirt could do. It folds/wrinkles really nicely, though, unless I'm seeing things.
 
The character isn't British, pretty sure she's South African.

Which is were I'm having a disconnect with the blowback here. The focus has been entirely on ethnicity, a black VA should voice a black character. But I've seen almost no comment on what nationality that VA should be. I'm assuming that most people are defaulting to American. But whether they were black or white, an american actress would still be imitating the cultural and national identity of the character.

She looks and sounds aborigine to me. No ethnic group in South Africa sounds like that. Not even close.
 

Afrocious

Member
I guess they wanted her to sound Australian & not ghetto.

I'm at a loss on how to explain myself aside from how angry I am that you get to get away with this. I hope you say the same thing one day to the right person, and they do what needs to be done. Whatever that is, I don't know, but I hope it involves dental insurance.
 

Fupri

Banned
I'm at a loss on how to explain myself aside from how angry I am that you get to get away with this.
"Just report & move on."

I hope you say the same thing one day to the right person, and they do what needs to be done. Whatever that is, I don't know, but I hope it involves dental insurance.
Well, that's nice. Not sure why my own kind would knock my teeth out for saying ghetto but ok.. :|
 
I'm at a loss on how to explain myself aside from how angry I am that you get to get away with this. I hope you say the same thing one day to the right person, and they do what needs to be done. Whatever that is, I don't know, but I hope it involves dental insurance.
+1 imo tbqh

Edit: except the violence but I don't condone that but I do condone dealing with racism
 

IvorB

Member
She looks and sounds aborigine to me. No ethnic group in South Africa sounds like that. Not even close.

As I said earlier, she sounds like she's going for an afrikaans accent which is much more typical of white and mixed race South Africans. She does actually look like she's mixed race to me rather than black which seems to line up with her name also. It's not really a great accent either way, to be honest.
 

The Chef

Member
*reads previous few pages*

Mmm, yeah I really dont like any of you.
Well maybe not all of you but I'd say its a strong 90% of Gaf I supremely dislike.

Know what would be a super useful addition to Gaf was if you could block every post after the OP. That way I could get news and updates that I love but not have to read aaaaaallll of your bullshit in threads like these.

What the hell, maybe I should just switch to Reddit permanently.
 
*reads previous few pages*

Mmm, yeah I really dont like any of you.
Well maybe not all of you but I'd say its a strong 90% of Gaf I supremely dislike.

Know what would be a super useful addition to Gaf was if you could block every post after the OP. That way I could get news and updates that I love but not have to read aaaaaallll of your bullshit in threads like these.

What the hell, maybe I should just switch to Reddit permanently.

What is more frustrating is, this thread needs some serious moderating. Dudes spouting racial non sense and still living to talk about it.

If people can't fundamentally see the issue in having a white voice actress voice a black character I am at a loss for words.
 
*reads previous few pages*

Mmm, yeah I really dont like any of you.
Well maybe not all of you but I'd say its a strong 90% of Gaf I supremely dislike.

Know what would be a super useful addition to Gaf was if you could block every post after the OP. That way I could get news and updates that I love but not have to read aaaaaallll of your bullshit in threads like these.

What the hell, maybe I should just switch to Reddit permanently.

Yeah I had to bail. Its pretty disgraceful.
 

dave is ok

aztek is ok
I'm at a loss on how to explain myself aside from how angry I am that you get to get away with this. I hope you say the same thing one day to the right person, and they do what needs to be done. Whatever that is, I don't know, but I hope it involves dental insurance.
Come on.. threats and wishes of physical violence?

What a shitshow this thread ended up being.
 
Sounds like a wasted opportunity to not make this a boss fight. We know that Nadine is supposed to be an antagonist and this trailer shows us that she can do some serious ass kicking, so the gameplay opportunities are vast.

It'd be nice to start off the game with Nate getting his ass kicked by her. Teach you the melee ropes in an unwinnable fist fight.

I'd approve.
 

SomTervo

Member
Is this like the blackface of voice acting? Blackvoice?

You're telling me they couldn't find a black actor to do this? So weird.

See, I agree with the argument re blackface, but the contention here is that there are studies showing that blackvoice and blackbody aren't a thing.

Not a huge amount of them, and they're correlational in nature - but basically you can't judge ethnicity by voice. And you can't judge ethnicity by body shape (removing hair and skin colour). So by bringing ethnicity into the discussion, you're actually bringing a prejudice into the discussion (arguably).

It's not the same as blackface. There is no difference in the voices of black people or white people or people of any other ethnicity - you get voices of every timbre and quality in each. Similarly you can't tell ethnicity by a body shape - and arguably in Motion Capture all that's being captured. Body shape and movement.

But I entirely see where the detractors are coming from.
 

Curufinwe

Member
there's a history of racism tied to white people playing black people, at least here in the US there is. If ND's best attempt to further diversify their cast is to have a white woman play a black one then something went terribly wrong somewhere in that process

Who said ND were attempting to diversify their cast?
 
As I said earlier, she sounds like she's going for an Afrikaans accent which is much more typical of white and mixed race South Africans. She does actually look like she's mixed race to me rather than black which seems to line up with her name also. It's not really a great accent either way, to be honest.
Even if that was the case no South African group (even Afrikaans speakers) sound like that. See this short clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGHS-x0tsU0 or this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL1iVylvnCM . This isn't a case of a bad South African accent, that isn't a South African accent at all.
 
See, I agree with the argument re blackface, but the contention here is that there are studies showing that blackvoice and blackbody aren't a thing.

Not a huge amount of them, and they're correlational in nature - but basically you can't judge ethnicity by voice. And you can't judge ethnicity by body shape (removing hair and skin colour). So by bringing ethnicity into the discussion, you're actually bringing a prejudice into the discussion (arguably).

It's not the same as blackface. There is no difference in the voices of black or white or any other ethnicity - you get voices of every timbre and quality in each. Similarly you can't tell ethnicity by a body shape - and arguably in Motion Capture all that's being captured. Body shape and movement.

But I entirely see where the detractors are coming from.

it's more that a person of color wasn't given the role. Persons of color already have it hard as it is in the entertainment industry, giving the role to a white person comes off as wrong knowing that and given, again, the incredibly racist history wrt white people playing black people

Who said ND were attempting to diversify their cast?

i honest don't know what their goal was when they decided to have a black character in the game, tbh. I assumed it would be to diversify their cast but given that they have a white actress playing her I cant make heads or tails what they had in mind when it comes to her.
 

prwxv3

Member
I'd advise some of you to not look of the cast lists of some of the most popular cartoons, animated films, Ect.
 

SomTervo

Member
it's more that a person of color wasn't given the role. Persons of color already have it hard as it is in the entertainment industry, giving the role to a white person comes off as wrong knowing that and given, again, the incredibly racist history wrt white people playing black people

I totally understand. Politically it's not very fair and is arguably a continuation of a problematic culture. But at least Naughty Dog have a good track record of recruiting people of appropriate ethnicities to portray characters of the same ethnicity (Marlene, Sam, Henry at least).

PS is she a purely caucasian actress? I presumed she was an ethnic mix, just based on a snap-judgement of her facial structure.
 

Rand6

Member
If people can't fundamentally see the issue in having a white voice actress voice a black character I am at a loss for words.

WTF?
What's the difference between a white voice actress and a black voice actress? Last time I heard, black girls speaks the exact same way as white girls...

Kratos voice actor is black. Who cares??

If your are serious (maybe you're joking), I'm the one at a loss for words...
 

Curufinwe

Member
Some of you are unreal lol. If she was best fit, she was the best fit, the VO director determines that.

Would anyone be upset to know Kimberly Brooks voiced Mass Effect's Ashley?

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Not me, I think it's very cool that voice actors can play characters they don't look like.
 
Like are yall seriously in here a like 30 sec teaser turns into this bs of a thread. Ill try nd sway thru the bs

Sigh..nice graphics naughty dog. New antagonist looks menacing. When she took off the heels my gf was like oooooo drake bout to get his ass whopped i was rolling
 

Javin98

Banned
It'd be nice to start off the game with Nate getting his ass kicked by her. Teach you the melee ropes in an unwinnable fist fight.

I'd approve.
Hmm, this sounds very interesting if done right. An unwinnable fist fight that shows Nate getting his ass kicked for once.
 
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