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Randy Pitchford: I agree with [EGM] that Aliens: Colonial Marines was a 9/10

At first I assumed Sega had to be responsible somehow as well, but I changed my mind after Alien Isolation.

Sega should have had better producers or project managers checking in on Gearbox to see how development was going, so they are just as much to blame. The license was theirs and they handed it over to Pitchford no questions asked. Alien Isolation was superb, but they handled the brand pretty poorly all told.
 

Markitron

Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Sega should have had better producers or project managers checking in on Gearbox to see how development was going, so they are just as much to blame. The license was theirs and they handed it over to Pitchford no questions asked. Alien Isolation was superb, but they handled the brand pretty poorly all told.

I don't think anybody would deny that they were lax, but their biggest mistake was to give the game to Gearbox in the first place. Their hands-off approach clearly worked in CA's favour, I'm still shocked that a Licensed game was allowed to be so hardcore.
 

Jito

Banned
I'm a little taken aback by the vehemence of all the Randy hate in this thread.

Over a movie licensed game to boot.

Did I miss something? Did he run over a dog or touch a child inappropriately or something?

Randy molested a Xenomorph and sold it as a game.
 

G_Berry

Banned
Colonial Marines was a pile of steaming shit. Nothing Randy or anyone else ever says will change that.

YOU HEAR THAT RANDY?!


PILE

OF

STEAMING

SHIT!!!!!
 

Saoshyant

Member
their biggest mistake was to give the game to Gearbox in the first place.

At the time it seemed like a good idea. FPSes were huge back when this project was decided and Gearbox, between their Half-Life expansions and the Brothers in Arms games, seemed like a solid choice. And that Randy fellow was probably a smooth talker too who promised more than he could deliver.

But making games for other companies doesn't make you richer, it just pays the bills. Having your own IP and making it popular, now that's something worth scamming another company for, in the eyes of a shark. Though that last part is entirely conjecture.
 

joms5

Member
Is it just me or does anyone else want to see see Gearbox fold?

I feel like that company has nothing to offer me. That coupled with Randy and the people who write for its games, no thank you.
 

mcz117chief

Member
Eh, I liked it. Not a 9/10 more like a 7. If nothing, being called a cheater in multiplayer because I used the pay to win gun was absolutely fucking worth it :D
 
Is it just me or does anyone else want to see see Gearbox fold?

I feel like that company has nothing to offer me. That coupled with Randy and the people who write for its games, no thank you.

You want a couple hundred people lose their jobs because you don't like their boss?
 

Markitron

Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Is it just me or does anyone else want to see see Gearbox fold?

I feel like that company has nothing to offer me. That coupled with Randy and the people who write for its games, no thank you.

I do, out of spite, and I love Borderlands. They just shouldn't be allowed to get away with what they did. Someone needs to be held accountable, even if it's just Randy.

You want a couple of hundred people lose their jobs because you don't like their boss?

Randy at least should have lost his job. I'd be all for a Gearbox that changed it's management.
 

King_Moc

Banned
I'd love one day for an experiment to be done on Pitchford, to see if he actually, genuinely believes the crap that he says.

You want a couple hundred people lose their jobs because you don't like their boss?

You think it's better that they're allowed to continue to just rip people off, including the general public?
 

Alienous

Member
Remember when this dude tried to sell Battleborn like a used car?

That was hilarious. He was throwing in characters to sweeten the deal and everything.
 
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Whatever happened to them?
 

Garlador

Member
I genuinely wonder if Randy thinks Aliens: Colonial Marines and Duke Nukem Forever are good, like he keeps claiming, no matter what fans and critics say.

And if he can't tell what's a good game and a bad game, how scary is that that he's in charge of overseeing games for his whole company?
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
Jesus Randy, just take the L

The reality is nothing he says is going to change people's minds if they already have a huge problem with him over A:CM, so he may as well stick to the script.

Also, blaming him specifically for the whole thing is frankly stupid. I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you buy shit product, the buck should stop with the publisher because they were the ones who sold it to you.

Even if Pitchford robbed Sega blind, that was their problem alone, until they made it your problem by knowingly passing it on to you.
 

Sephzilla

Member
The reality is nothing he says is going to change people's minds if they already have a huge problem with him over A:CM, so he may as well stick to the script.

Also, blaming him specifically for the whole thing is frankly stupid. I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you buy shit product, the buck should stop with the publisher because they were the ones who sold it to you.

Even if Pitchford robbed Sega blind, that was their problem alone, until they made it your problem by knowingly passing it on to you.

Even if Randy was one of the guys at the forefront of the PR for the game?
 

Guerrilla

Member
He's going to be disliked by people whatever he does. When the interviewer got on to the topic of Aliens Colonial Marines - it wasn't Randy that brought it up - if he had said he had no comment or didn't want to talk about it then that would probably have been seen as bad too.

Yeah because that would have been a bad answer as well. He should've said, and should say in the future if this topic is brought up again, something like "We know we didn't meet fans expectation and we are sorry for that. We won't let this happen again" He would lose nothing, take the high road, and on top of that gain sympathies back.

Of course this is going to be brought up again and again, because he basically scammed people and didn't even think about apologizing once....
 

Armaros

Member
The reality is nothing he says is going to change people's minds if they already have a huge problem with him over A:CM, so he may as well stick to the script.

Also, blaming him specifically for the whole thing is frankly stupid. I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you buy shit product, the buck should stop with the publisher because they were the ones who sold it to you.

Even if Pitchford robbed Sega blind, that was their problem alone, until they made it your problem by knowingly passing it on to you.

Ignoring that Randy was the front man for the PR of the game right up until launch, selling his love of the Franchise as credentials that he will do it right.
 
Man I hate those shit eating grins. It is a gaming travesty they got away with that shit. Randy knows what's he doing he just rustling the feathers now to spite everyone.
 

joms5

Member
You want a couple hundred people lose their jobs because you don't like their boss?

You refused to read my post in its entirety or assumed that because this thread is about Randy that's the only reason why I would want this company to go under.

Let's take a look at the products they've released in the past.

I'm going to skip the work they did with Half Life because that was of a different time and there's no way they'll go back to that series.

Brothers In Arms (hyped to all shit by Randy and his military advisor)
Severely disappointing campaign that was supposed to make us care for the characters and did not. Shooting was completely broken.

Borderlands
Ugly art style. Repetitive gameplay. Interesting coop. Overall meh.

Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway.
Shooting fixed (YAY!) however it breaks the idea of find, fix, flank and finish. Lackluster campaign with even more forgettable characters and absolutely zero emotional impact. Average.

Duke Nukem Forever (Hyped by Randy even though it could never possibly live up to it)
Need I say more?

Borderlands 2 (not going to say much about this because I have not played much of it)
But it's still got the ugly art style and the writing is embarrassing. Not funny, not clever, not entertaining. Juvenile with references to pop culture and memes. Lazy

Aliens: Colonial Marines
See Duke Nukem Forever.

Battleborn
Not out yet but come on. Let's be honest here.


The only thing that I thought was for me was Brothers In Arms and it's clear that they're not going to do anything special with that in the future. They have nothing even remotely interesting in the pipeline. And their franchises are lackluster to be fair.

I think that if a company puts out mediocre product they should have to pay the price. I'd hate for people to lose their jobs but if it comes to that, well its for a reason no? Also the talented people will find work, there's no doubt about that.

I'm sure many people here love Borderlands and that's great you'll get more of those. But are they just going to ride that to the bank every couple of years?
 

Jackpot

Banned
I remember that review. It was worse than the game. It made zero reference to the content and read like someone had read the back of the box. You could have replaced the worlds "Alien Colonial Marine" with any other game's title and the review would still be just as fitting.
 

c0Zm1c

Member
Yeah because that would have been a bad answer as well. He should've said, and should say in the future if this topic is brought up again, something like "We know we didn't meet fans expectation and we are sorry for that. We won't let this happen again" He would lose nothing, take the high road, and on top of that gain sympathies back.

Of course this is going to be brought up again and again, because he basically scammed people and didn't even think about apologizing once....

It's more than a little late for that I think. As I said, whatever he does people are going to dislike him. He's in Peter Molyneux territory now and people just want to watch him and Gearbox burn.
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
Even if Randy was one of the guys at the forefront of the PR for the game?

Yep. As a PR mouthpiece the objective is to build hype and deflect/handle any blowback.

It was never his job to say when A:CM was up to scratch, that's the publisher's role. It really is that simple.
 
Here is why I will only forgive Pitchford when he apologizes for Colonial Marines.

http://www.gamespot.com/videos/aliens-colonial-marines-interview-with-randy-pitch/2300-6377485/

Randy Pitchford said:
Because it's Gearbox Software developing this, we're not settling. When other people handle games based on IPs, it's often a work for hire type of situation. When Gearbox works in some one else's space, it's because we love that space.

http://www.destructoid.com/gearbox-community-day-pitchford-duke-and-2-000-fans-204101.phtml

After the public presentation of the E3 trailer, the panel started up with Pitchford praising the Aliens series and videogames’ debt to it. From working with marine dropships in Halo to headcrabs in Half-Life, Gearbox worked on titles that owe a lot to Ridley Scott. After years of working on games indebted to Aliens, Pitchford said he is glad to finally work within it.

This is the crux of it. He acknowledges that he owes a debt to the Alien universe. He claims that Gearbox only do licensed games when they love the license, unlike other studios that are doing 'a work for hire' type of situation.

Then Gearbox farms the project out to Timegate to make the campaign so the internal team can focus on Borderlands 2 or whatever.

That's what I'll always want an apology for. You can't claim you owe a franchise a debt and go on about how you're making the game because you love that franchise... and then farm it out to someone else.

Fuck him.

Yep. As a PR mouthpiece the objective is to build hype and deflect/handle any blowback.

It was never his job to say when A:CM was up to scratch, that's the publisher's role. It really is that simple.

By all accounts Sega wanted to sue Gearbox over the whole thing, but couldn't due to the terms of the contract. SEGA released the game as Gearbox delivered it to try and recoup some of the money they had invested in the project. Basically, by all accounts it went like this: Sega paid Gearbox to make A:CM believing that A: Gearbox would make themselves and B: Gearbox were committed to delivering a product up to standards. Gearbox took that money, and paid someone else to make the game for *Iess* than they were paid with minimal involvement from Gearbox staff. The rest of that money was spent on funding the development of Borderlands and Duke Nukem Forever.

Now there was nothing in the contract saying Gearbox *couldn't* do this, and they delivered a 'finished' game on time as per the terms of the contract.

If you want to blame Sega for something, blame them for taking Gearbox at face value, and blame them for shipping that awful game in an attempt to recover some of the money they paid Gearbox to make the game.

Pitchford spun Sega the same lies he spun all of us. That Gearbox loved the franchise. That Gearbox was indebted to the franchise and really wanted to make a great game based on the movies. If Sega didn't care about the quality of the final product, they'd have gone with someone else. Hell, they could have got Timegate to work directly with them for a fraction of what they paid Gearbox. They thought they were working with a developer who would deliver the best game they could, not a developer who would pay someone else to deliver a mediocre product that met all the contractual obligations.
 
Yep. As a PR mouthpiece the objective is to build hype and deflect/handle any blowback.

It was never his job to say when A:CM was up to scratch, that's the publisher's role. It really is that simple.
Isn't part of PR creating good relations with fans?

Which in this case would imply apologizing for an absolute travesty and disappointment of a game rather than digging his heels in and insisting that it's great?
 

d00d3n

Member
*shitting on all games released by gearbox*

I feel your pain and it is surely disturbing to see Randy Pitchford in a manic delusional state, but the Borderlands series is arguably pretty good and in any case influential. Shooters with coop, quests, skill progression and loot are pretty popular these days and both Borderlands games were important stepping stones for the formula imo. The games seem really popular as well.
 
Yep. As a PR mouthpiece the objective is to build hype and deflect/handle any blowback.

It was never his job to say when A:CM was up to scratch, that's the publisher's role. It really is that simple.

Sega didn't make Colonial Marines, Gearbox did. And Gearbox is the company that Randy runs. The legacy of that game is on the doorstep of Gearbox. No one looks at is as a Sega game. Defending a game that is almost universally viewed as being bad is a bad look for the company. Because what does it say about the future games they're going to release if the guy that runs the company views CM as being good?
 

MMaRsu

Banned
Here is why I will only forgive Pitchford when he apologizes for Colonial Marines.

http://www.gamespot.com/videos/aliens-colonial-marines-interview-with-randy-pitch/2300-6377485/



http://www.destructoid.com/gearbox-community-day-pitchford-duke-and-2-000-fans-204101.phtml



This is the crux of it. He acknowledges that he owes a debt to the Alien universe. He claims that Gearbox only do licensed games when they love the license, unlike other studios that are doing 'a work for hire' type of situation.

Then Gearbox farms the project out to Timegate to make the campaign so the internal team can focus on Borderlands 2 or whatever.

That's what I'll always want an apology for. You can't claim you owe a franchise a debt and go on about how you're making the game because you love that franchise... and then farm it out to someone else.

Fuck him.



By all accounts Sega wanted to sue Gearbox over the whole thing, but couldn't due to the terms of the contract. SEGA released the game as Gearbox delivered it to try and recoup some of the money they had invested in the project. Basically, by all accounts it went like this: Sega paid Gearbox to make A:CM believing that A: Gearbox would make themselves and B: Gearbox were committed to delivering a product up to standards. Gearbox took that money, and paid someone else to make the game for *Iess* than they were paid with minimal involvement from Gearbox staff. The rest of that money was spent on funding the development of Borderlands and Duke Nukem Forever.

Now there was nothing in the contract saying Gearbox *couldn't* do this, and they delivered a 'finished' game on time as per the terms of the contract.

If you want to blame Sega for something, blame them for taking Gearbox at face value, and blame them for shipping that awful game in an attempt to recover some of the money they paid Gearbox to make the game.

Pitchford spun Sega the same lies he spun all of us. That Gearbox loved the franchise. That Gearbox was indebted to the franchise and really wanted to make a great game based on the movies. If Sega didn't care about the quality of the final product, they'd have gone with someone else. Hell, they could have got Timegate to work directly with them for a fraction of what they paid Gearbox. They thought they were working with a developer who would deliver the best game they could, not a developer who would pay someone else to deliver a mediocre product that met all the contractual obligations.


Yeah great post and summary why Randy Pitchford is a jackass and a lying, thieving untrustworthy person.
 

MMaRsu

Banned
Sega didn't make Colonial Marines, Gearbox did. And Gearbox is the company that Randy runs. The legacy of that game is on the doorstep of Gearbox. No one looks at is as a Sega game. Defending a game that is almost universally viewed as being bad is a bad look for the company. Because what does it say about the future games they're going to release if the guy that runs the company views CM as being good?

Actually Gearbox didnt.make it either haha
 
By all accounts Sega wanted to sue Gearbox over the whole thing, but couldn't due to the terms of the contract. SEGA released the game as Gearbox delivered it to try and recoup some of the money they had invested in the project. Basically, by all accounts it went like this: Sega paid Gearbox to make A:CM believing that A: Gearbox would make themselves and B: Gearbox were committed to delivering a product up to standards. Gearbox took that money, and paid someone else to make the game for *Iess* than they were paid with minimal involvement from Gearbox staff. The rest of that money was spent on funding the development of Borderlands and Duke Nukem Forever.

Now there was nothing in the contract saying Gearbox *couldn't* do this, and they delivered a 'finished' game on time as per the terms of the contract.

If you want to blame Sega for something, blame them for taking Gearbox at face value, and blame them for shipping that awful game in an attempt to recover some of the money they paid Gearbox to make the game.

Pitchford spun Sega the same lies he spun all of us. That Gearbox loved the franchise. That Gearbox was indebted to the franchise and really wanted to make a great game based on the movies. If Sega didn't care about the quality of the final product, they'd have gone with someone else. Hell, they could have got Timegate to work directly with them for a fraction of what they paid Gearbox. They thought they were working with a developer who would deliver the best game they could, not a developer who would pay someone else to deliver a mediocre product that met all the contractual obligations.

How is someone still president of a company when this happened? In any other industry, ethically, shouldn't the shareholders replace him?
 

Gattsu25

Banned
Here is why I will only forgive Pitchford when he apologizes for Colonial Marines.

http://www.gamespot.com/videos/aliens-colonial-marines-interview-with-randy-pitch/2300-6377485/



http://www.destructoid.com/gearbox-community-day-pitchford-duke-and-2-000-fans-204101.phtml



This is the crux of it. He acknowledges that he owes a debt to the Alien universe. He claims that Gearbox only do licensed games when they love the license, unlike other studios that are doing 'a work for hire' type of situation.

Then Gearbox farms the project out to Timegate to make the campaign so the internal team can focus on Borderlands 2 or whatever.

That's what I'll always want an apology for. You can't claim you owe a franchise a debt and go on about how you're making the game because you love that franchise... and then farm it out to someone else.

Fuck him.



By all accounts Sega wanted to sue Gearbox over the whole thing, but couldn't due to the terms of the contract. SEGA released the game as Gearbox delivered it to try and recoup some of the money they had invested in the project. Basically, by all accounts it went like this: Sega paid Gearbox to make A:CM believing that A: Gearbox would make themselves and B: Gearbox were committed to delivering a product up to standards. Gearbox took that money, and paid someone else to make the game for *Iess* than they were paid with minimal involvement from Gearbox staff. The rest of that money was spent on funding the development of Borderlands and Duke Nukem Forever.

Now there was nothing in the contract saying Gearbox *couldn't* do this, and they delivered a 'finished' game on time as per the terms of the contract.

If you want to blame Sega for something, blame them for taking Gearbox at face value, and blame them for shipping that awful game in an attempt to recover some of the money they paid Gearbox to make the game.

Pitchford spun Sega the same lies he spun all of us. That Gearbox loved the franchise. That Gearbox was indebted to the franchise and really wanted to make a great game based on the movies. If Sega didn't care about the quality of the final product, they'd have gone with someone else. Hell, they could have got Timegate to work directly with them for a fraction of what they paid Gearbox. They thought they were working with a developer who would deliver the best game they could, not a developer who would pay someone else to deliver a mediocre product that met all the contractual obligations.

Thanks for this summary. I personally will never trust Pitchfords words after the ACM debacle.
 
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