PooBone
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Pitchford: Fans wrong to sue Gearbox over Aliens: Colonial Marines
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Activision is my new one. Bobby Kotick and the temple of greed.
Thats not true. The RPG which was supposed to be developed by obsidian entertainment was a different game than Colonial Marines, which was always supposed to be a FPS.
Here is a news article from 2006:
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/obsidian-developing-segas-alien-rpg/1100-6163134/
AnthonypUK
Member
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6832-A-LIE-ns-Colonial-Marines
this wasn't downgrading or anything like that watchodgs style, this was straight up fabrication from a "demo" of the game, from i think the E3 before it released.
SolidSnakex
Member
This one was mislabeled as the one with the HUD is the final game while the one without it is from the demo.
RayearthRob
Member
I was so excited for this game on wii u...
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
I distinctly remember seeing screenshots of Colonial Marines in 2007/2008 where it was a tense, squad-based FPS. So if that is true then it happened a long time ago and can't possibly excuse the mess that Colonial Marines was.
Funding a AAA horror game with no shooting was a risky move on Sega's part and they deserve a lot of credit for it.
EDIT:
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Cardon
Member
I just said I can partially understand his comment pertaining that to a degree, but personally I do think there should be some sort of legal blowback/judgement on Randy/Gearbox considering what they did both publicly and internally as a company.
Ultimately I do think at some point we'll see a legal case fully go through pertaining to false advertising of game in it's final retail form compared to whatever earlier video or "demo" was shown of it.
dragonbane
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Spacejaws
Member
Ah ok I always thought the games were one and the same going through development hell.
But I am right in saying Sega got involved and tried to push the game to be more like Call of Duty...
http://kotaku.com/5986694/from-dream-to-disaster-the-story-of-aliens-colonial-marines
Which was a terrible desicion and Sega knows it now.
Because he's the hero GAFham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll ban him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's an outspoken guardian. A watchful reviewer. He's Jim Fucking Sterling, Son.
This saddens me greatly
I know Timegate didn't have the greatest track record but I have a soft spot for the Section 8 games, really enjoyed them.Plus I know the Kohan games had their fans too.
Serpens007
Member
Shut up and just make Borderlands 3 the game it should be already.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Probably won't be as good without Sega paying for it.
grosvenor_92
Member
As a Borderlands fan this saddens me that Pitchford still won't admit they screwed customers over with A CM. Guess I'll just avoid buying BL 3 till he owns up to this whole situation.
Imperfected
Member
Never bought Colonial Marines and thus didn't have a vested interest in the lawsuit, but with a response like that I won't be buying any Gearbox software in the future.
The correct response is: "The lawsuit was not the right way to approach this problem, and we could not allow it to move forward as a legal matter, but the message that a significant percentage of our consumers were upset was received, loud and clear. Needless to say, we've done a full review or our marketing procedures and will be more respectful of our audience in the future."
You see? Nice and business sleazy, like water off a duck's back. You don't have to try very hard to be the minimal degree of apologetic that corporate America demands of you, for pete's sake. Most people aren't even asking you to be sorry with any visible sincerity, just to say you realize now it was a bad idea and won't be doing it again.
The correct response is: "The lawsuit was not the right way to approach this problem, and we could not allow it to move forward as a legal matter, but the message that a significant percentage of our consumers were upset was received, loud and clear. Needless to say, we've done a full review or our marketing procedures and will be more respectful of our audience in the future."
You see? Nice and business sleazy, like water off a duck's back. You don't have to try very hard to be the minimal degree of apologetic that corporate America demands of you, for pete's sake. Most people aren't even asking you to be sorry with any visible sincerity, just to say you realize now it was a bad idea and won't be doing it again.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
I'm not sure if a lawsuit was necessary, as I'm a big believer in caveat emptor when it comes to games (don't pre-order!), but Pitchford engaged in some real shitty practices with this game. To echo Jim, an apology would be nice, at the very least.
JigglesBunny
Banned
While I agree a lawsuit wasn't necessary, fuck Randy Pitchford.
In all of my years of playing games, I have never seen someone so full of shit besides Peter Molyneux. This guy peddles the same shit for every game he makes, over-promising and under-delivering. Then, when the chickens come home to roost, he takes up one of two defenses.
Either he acts like a cocky, arrogant prick and makes excuses for the game and pretends the game was fine and we're all hyperbolic, or, he acts like a child, says he's being unfairly targeted and bullied and runs away.
This guy deserves to be taken to task for his part in that shambles and the team(s) should go down with him.
In all of my years of playing games, I have never seen someone so full of shit besides Peter Molyneux. This guy peddles the same shit for every game he makes, over-promising and under-delivering. Then, when the chickens come home to roost, he takes up one of two defenses.
Either he acts like a cocky, arrogant prick and makes excuses for the game and pretends the game was fine and we're all hyperbolic, or, he acts like a child, says he's being unfairly targeted and bullied and runs away.
This guy deserves to be taken to task for his part in that shambles and the team(s) should go down with him.
That felt so good to let out after all this time.
SolidChamp
Banned
Once again, in Randy's eyes, Randy and Gearbox can do no wrong.
The guy really is huffing his own farts.
The guy really is huffing his own farts.
The video game company that is just below EA in terms of scumbaggery.
Randy funnels money given by SEGA to make Aliens TWICE. (Or was it three times?) Using the money to make Borderlands instead. And then shipping it to ANOTHER company to finish the game because they found a loophole stating they just had to complete the game. Which is also why Aliens was a terrible game to begin with.
(The proof to this is rather simple, Gearbox simply had no money nor took any loans during the creation of Borderlands. The only income they had was money from Sega to be put into making Aliens.)
Takes the animation concept if Codehunters to use for their game Boarderlands, even being bold enough to wanting to hire the original creator to use his style, but then falling through with the plans when they realized it would cost a ton of money and stole his art concept soon after.
Gearbox withheld profits from the sale of Duke Nukem Forever from the original IP owners of the game.
This company is a disgrace to gaming because of Randy, I hope no major company will ever make a major dealing with them. Let them die, and give Boarderlands to Sega, the IP rightfully belongs to them as they unintentionally paid for it.
Randy funnels money given by SEGA to make Aliens TWICE. (Or was it three times?) Using the money to make Borderlands instead. And then shipping it to ANOTHER company to finish the game because they found a loophole stating they just had to complete the game. Which is also why Aliens was a terrible game to begin with.
(The proof to this is rather simple, Gearbox simply had no money nor took any loans during the creation of Borderlands. The only income they had was money from Sega to be put into making Aliens.)
Takes the animation concept if Codehunters to use for their game Boarderlands, even being bold enough to wanting to hire the original creator to use his style, but then falling through with the plans when they realized it would cost a ton of money and stole his art concept soon after.
Gearbox withheld profits from the sale of Duke Nukem Forever from the original IP owners of the game.
This company is a disgrace to gaming because of Randy, I hope no major company will ever make a major dealing with them. Let them die, and give Boarderlands to Sega, the IP rightfully belongs to them as they unintentionally paid for it.
I'm always surprised to see how far Pitchford can go.
Totally unrelated, but I've always found Gearbox to be a mediocre developer and that includes Borderlands (their magnum opus lol). Good luck with Battlewhatever, that I couldn't pick out of a lineup with the other Battlewhatevers and Overstuffs
Totally unrelated, but I've always found Gearbox to be a mediocre developer and that includes Borderlands (their magnum opus lol). Good luck with Battlewhatever, that I couldn't pick out of a lineup with the other Battlewhatevers and Overstuffs
Guy is a scumbag and should be punished for his bullshit.
But sorry, i'll be selfish, and ignore this bullshit that doesn't personally affects me and buy Borderlands 3 because i like the series.
Im entitled to enjoy the game and still think the company is being a piece of shit.
Pop culture reference: the game makes a pop culture reference and we are supposed to be shocked and outraged?
But sorry, i'll be selfish, and ignore this bullshit that doesn't personally affects me and buy Borderlands 3 because i like the series.
Im entitled to enjoy the game and still think the company is being a piece of shit.
Pop culture reference: the game makes a pop culture reference and we are supposed to be shocked and outraged?
Sorcerer
Member
My apologies. It read as though I was attacking you. I wasn't.
Just pissed at Randy's justification that his crimes are okay when there are bigger fish to fry.
Cardon
Member
Yeah no worries dude. Just wanted to clarify on my end if I wasn't clear enough due to typing my post while watching my kid lol.
But yeah, I think Randy needs to take his head out of his ass for the betterment of his company. Sure, perhaps Randy and some of the other higher ups may be more than deluded, but it would just be a huge shame if the company took a major stumble
if their attitude and actions blew back on the other employees if Gearbox had to shutter or scale down drastically.
Lalalandia
Member
Oh it's just the latest dodgy move around 'referencing' art in that game though. The whole games visual style was shifted from realistic to the Codehunters style, Gearbox even worked with that creator for a while before going quiet and stiffing him. In short Gearbox are scum with their constant pilfering of 'influences' without even trying to credit, let alone compensate, the original creator.
(http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...e-most-controversial-studios-in-the-industry/)
Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't that SW poster fan-made?
Also, the two are dissimilar enough to dispel that. Give me 10 minutes and I could find 10 more posters in the same style with the same colour palette.
TatteredHat
Member
The white landscape in the background is identical to the black landscape on the right poster.
Oh yeah, i remember being dissapointed when i found about this, still didn't magically erase all the fun i had with the games.
Feel bad for the creator of the original short tho, because i wouldn't have given BL a chance if it looked like it originally did.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
But Borderlands 2 was good??
Lalalandia
Member
Nor mine but once I read this I felt I couldn't go there again, oddly enough I had that older style trailer on my PS3 for years because I loved the 'explore giant planet' style it seemed to be repping at the time. Of course I enjoyed what it became but I still want that game so I hope No Man's Sky scratches that itch.
Imperfected
Member
He means "I'm surprised publishers continue to give Gearbox money, because they used money SEGA gave them for Colonial Marines on Borderlands."
That said, are any publishers actually giving Gearbox money up-front for development these days, or are they simply shopping out mostly finished games for marketing and distribution? There's a pretty big difference.
Krappadizzle
Member
"You'll never believe this one weird trick Randy Pitchford used during the demonstrations of Aliens:Colonial Marines. "
Its called lying.
Slappers Only
Junior Member
I amazed at people's capacity to get worked up over things like this.
Yeah, the game was pretty bad. I gave it a shot, cringed as it sucked out loud right in front of me, and then life went on moments afterward. Am I missing out on something for not having let this in under my skin?
Yeah, the game was pretty bad. I gave it a shot, cringed as it sucked out loud right in front of me, and then life went on moments afterward. Am I missing out on something for not having let this in under my skin?
The money scammed from sega for this game that was instead used for borderlands 2.
Pitchford deserves to be an industry pariah for this. Absolutely shameful that he's so unwilling to take any blame for this. In a time for humility, he decided to put up the flame shield and push forward.
If Aliens misrepresentation wasn't a lie and was actually just a HUGE misunderstanding, by all means Randy, I'm waiting for you to go ahead and dispel that "myth".
If Aliens misrepresentation wasn't a lie and was actually just a HUGE misunderstanding, by all means Randy, I'm waiting for you to go ahead and dispel that "myth".
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
You're missing out deception. People paid hard earned money for this and didn't get what was promised in every media shown by Randy's team.
They're lucky Steam Refund didn't exist back then or this game would be in a bigger negative than it is now.
Krappadizzle
Member
You could easily say and be dismissive over anything with that attitude. Those shootings/bombings/etc sucked, but life goes on moments afterwards. Yeah, it's a videogame, but people value things drastically differently. What doesn't affect you may someone else. And rather than be quiet and move on like you said you have you'd rather complain about people complaining. So really, what does that say about you?
Some people work hard to earn $60
Can totally see why would they be worked out when they were basically con out to buy this game