This is one of the reasons why i only buy physical disks for my Playstation consoles. I can't believe Sony still doesn't have 2 step authorization in this age, especially after all the hack happened to them. And then the user name change thing, which has been requested since like forever.
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SONY banned someone based on his real name
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ScientificPizza
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A Link to the Past
Banned
The only fair thing to do is to make everything centered around America, didn't you know?
Most people naming their kids Jihad don't give a shit about your outrage over a very common name, it's not even a name common for religious people, it's just a common Arabic name.
If you visited the middle east for once, maybe you'd realize not everyone is a bearded psycho that is coming to get you, most people want to live a normal life just like you, regardless of their name.
A Link to the Past
Banned
I should also note how much I hate the "X should have thought about what could happen to their kids if they do X." It's the same argument people use against interracial marriage or being accepting of their LGBT children - basically that they should not do something because bad people will abuse them.
Rather than throwing around lazy, woefully inaccurate insults towards me, I would just like you say that you understand why "jihad" is legitimately offensive term in light of this century of jihadist terrorism.
When ISIS or similar groups publicly (and regularly) call for a jihad, do you just filter out that word and pretend they used another? Every time Bin Laden called for a Jihad, did you think it was "Fox News" twisting his exact words?
He's glossing over the fact that 90% of terror victims are brown.
Unfortunately, the terrorism attacks in the West are almost daily occurrences in certain parts of the middle east, usually targeting LGBT, women, Shiites, and other minority groups.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Do you feel ashamed every time you see someone with your name committing crimes? Or do you have the good sense to understand that looking at things out of context is an unintelligent thing to do? As someone else noted, Stalin was awful, but that doesn't make it unacceptable to name your kid Joseph.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
The Joseph comparison being thrown around here is a bit weird. I wonder if the system would flag someone named Adolf, that's a more interesting example.
A Link to the Past
Banned
It's only weird because Joseph is a normal name in the western world.
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Member
Guys named Kelly being hit on, Jihad being persecuted by Sony... I haven't seen a giving thread like this in a while
orthodoxy1095
Banned
And there's like dozens of people with the name jihad still listed in that database.
I meant I wonder if they would take action if someone were to report that name. Doubt it, but slightly curious. Wouldn't try to test it though.
Given that "Stalin" is still a PSN ID and "Adolf" is an active PS+ member I'm gonna say no.
It's a normal name in the Middle East too, pronounced Yoseph though.
Why bring it up then? It's going to suck for that person if he/she gets permabanned for it.
It is very likely that a bigot reported him, followed by a chain of bigots from Sony's CS department.
A Link to the Past
Banned
I'm referring specifically to the fact that because Joseph is a regular name in the west, there isn't the same stigma.
You know that Stalin killed around the same, if not more people than Hitler? The reason why you feel it is different is because Joseph is a common English name, while Adolf is a German name. Therefore the unnatural name will feel worse for you. The same goes for Jihad too, many people in Arabic countries would see it as common, while for us it sounds more exotic and associated with the meaning that usually comes to our attention.
I would think it's most likely ignorance from the CS department.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I'm perfectly aware of history. I was commenting on the differing perceptions of stigma attached to the two names, which is fairly interesting in of itself.. Which is why I was wondering aloud if there were any other "stigmatized" names that would get this treatment. I actually doubt it, the fellow in question is probably unlucky by virtue of having an unknown Arabic name, but I wonder if anyone else has any interesting name-ban stories.
You're just deflecting with snark at this point. He does have a point and I don't think its a crazy or extreme one. The word Jihad for a lot of Westerners has a pretty ugly association with it. Is it right? No not really. Is it just going to go away because you're making some snide comments? No, its still very much there. I brought up the Swastika earlier because its a similar situation where a symbol that had nothing to do with hate and so forth and used in many Asian countries, was pretty much forever tainted in the West because of its associations to the Nazis. Many Buddhists still use the symbol but it'd be foolish to say many in Europe, the US, etc. wouldn't see it as something else entirely despite the long history and rich meaning of it before the Nazis stole and warped it.
I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorists or should be associated with the worst examples or anything. Just that I agree with him that it has an ugly notion to it and its nothing new. One of the most famous science fiction novels, Dune, was written in the 60's and was using the word Jihad to mean a zealous war against the entire galaxy of unbelievers. Again this doesn't make it accurate to the actual word Jihad or anything like that, but to act like the West doesn't have some issues with the word is disingenuous. This is irrespective of the real meaning or history of the word, just how it is in certain parts of the world.
Once more want to state not trying to connect Muslims with Nazis or anything like that and it was fucked up this guy lost his account because of his name and Sony should do something about it. Its a shitty thing to do.
EventHorizon
Member
I come at this from the more general standpoint that we need assurances that our digital purchases are just as permanent as physical ones. I can understand not wanting someone offensive behaviour to negatively affect other people on your service. That is perfectly fine and it would be acceptable to to ban such people from accessing that public service. However, they should still be able to use the products, where it continues to make sense, offline even in the event of a ban.
In this particular case, Sony is dead wrong. No active offense has been claimed. If a name is deemed offensive then change the name. Once that is done the problem is solved and no punishment is warranted. If for some reason that is not technically possible (I have always doubted that claim), then Sony should make a new account populated with all the games bought under the old one and give it to him.
Under no circumstances outside of illegal activity should digital items be denied to those who bought them.
In this particular case, Sony is dead wrong. No active offense has been claimed. If a name is deemed offensive then change the name. Once that is done the problem is solved and no punishment is warranted. If for some reason that is not technically possible (I have always doubted that claim), then Sony should make a new account populated with all the games bought under the old one and give it to him.
Under no circumstances outside of illegal activity should digital items be denied to those who bought them.
No I did understand you. I just thought it would be interesting to provide this little factoid.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
It should be the standard that many other services have. One free change, charge for any subsequent changes!
Sucky situation for poor Mr. Jihad. I can certainly see why the name got flagged in the first place, it's understandable, but the whole thing should have been cleared as soon as they looked at his billing information. It's really shameful that the whole follow-throigh has been so muddled and difficult for him.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Being able to understand why the prejudice exists does not mean I think it's okay that it does.
Fair enough. :v
That can't be right.
You mean PSN usernames?
More on topic, in Preston there is a shop called ISIS Jewelers.
I don't see any sign of them changing their name either.
Nor should they.
Most bigots are just ignorant people that have never been exposed to people outside of their comfort zone.
A lot of the times when you put them with someone they supposedly hate/fear/don't understand, and let them be friends, they open up a little bit, that's why people living in more diverse areas are less likely to be bigots.
Can we all notice the user named Jihadi (or in other words, iJihad with the i in a different place) and realize how stupid this ban really is.
I mean it was a stupid ban already, but that furthers it.
demigod
Member
No, they CAN change it. You just have to call them up. I know because my nephew got a suspension and his name taken away, lol.
DC1
Member
Out of order! Sony cant change their dicockous size!!
nor do they miss-represent the size of there junk.
Is it ISIS or is it Isis? Because Isis was an Egyptian god, which is why it's so prevalent before ISIS.
He had a point and by an extension I agreed with him. Trying to negate that by going,"Its prejudiced" doesn't change the fact that a large portion of the West that is not of Islamic background associates the word Jihad with terrorism and a war against non Muslims. Its nothing new, its not pretty, its not right, its ignorant and so on but its definitely there and being an asshole to someone trying to state that, doesn't at all change that point. It sucks that the word is thought of like that by a lot of people but it is still something that has to be taken into account.
Good point.
I wonder how many people would freak out if they knew the meaning of many Arabic names which are much more bombastic than Jihad. For example, Hussam, Saif are both common Arabic names that mean "blade" or "sword". There are many names like that in Arabic and a lot of those names including Jihad predates Islam.
Oh yeah, I understand that, and I have to say I'd be a little biased myself when it comes to the stigma on the names. If I would meet someone young called Adolf, it would raise an eyebrow from me for like one second. But after that I just forget about it, if the guy is a great guy he's a great guy, it's just a name. It would be more the fact that it can be strange for parents to name him that way, but I don't think anybody has ill intentions when naming their child.
autoduelist
Member
I'm sure it got flagged automatically.
Yes, once he proved it was his name he should have been offered the chance to change it, and I bet it eventually does get resolved.
But expecting a multi-national corp to allow potentially offensive names is silly. If your name is Hitler, good luck trying to get a username with that in it. Why? common fucking sense.
IvanJ was only banned because they share the name with Australia's worst serial killer, Ivan Milat; he should have known better when he made his account.
I've got to say as a muslim this is a pretty entertaining thread, as I don't dabble into politics etc I was positively tickled by some of the posts in here especially by the banned users.
It really sucks that they banned him but the fact that he's now prevented from using his own games is even worse. The very least sony could do is give him back his purchases those jerks
It really sucks that they banned him but the fact that he's now prevented from using his own games is even worse. The very least sony could do is give him back his purchases those jerks
ShockingAlberto
Member
This is a strong post.
It's capitalized I think
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/uv?hl...ved=0ahUKEwiuvp_IjcfNAhVnLMAKHWEvBNUQoioIejAP
No idea if that stupid google link will work!
They shop is way older than what is going on these days, same with Jihad from the OP.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I feel like there are a fair few dual use words where it is appropriate to disallow the use of the word. In English these include Cock, Dick, Pussy, etc. In foreign language they include false cognates, like the french "phoque" (seal) as well as words like "jihad", "Isis", "kampf" (struggle, like Jihad, but in the west overwhelming associated with Hitler's book) and other names like Adolf.
To me the story in the OP is not disallowing Jihad, which is a non-story, but the bungled followup as a result.
I have to laugh at IvanJ (Ivan being a name that in the west invariably evokes Ivan the Terrible, not exactly a guy lacking in blood on his hands) arguing that not censoring the word jihad is political correctness because jihad has caused so much death that the mere mention of the word hurts peoples feelings. Ivan, you are aware that political correctness does not mean "fuck the political left!!!!", it refers to asking people to modulate their tone or word choices in order to be kind to the sensitivities of others. You are arguing for political correctness. Good for you, being kind to other people is a noble goal. But please own it rather than trying to weaponize it, dude. Edit: Ahhh shit, I should say another moderator pulled the ban trigger, I don't ban people I'm discussing stuff with, and now this post looks like I'm gloating :/
To me the story in the OP is not disallowing Jihad, which is a non-story, but the bungled followup as a result.
I have to laugh at IvanJ (Ivan being a name that in the west invariably evokes Ivan the Terrible, not exactly a guy lacking in blood on his hands) arguing that not censoring the word jihad is political correctness because jihad has caused so much death that the mere mention of the word hurts peoples feelings. Ivan, you are aware that political correctness does not mean "fuck the political left!!!!", it refers to asking people to modulate their tone or word choices in order to be kind to the sensitivities of others. You are arguing for political correctness. Good for you, being kind to other people is a noble goal. But please own it rather than trying to weaponize it, dude. Edit: Ahhh shit, I should say another moderator pulled the ban trigger, I don't ban people I'm discussing stuff with, and now this post looks like I'm gloating :/
It got flagged automatically 10 years after the account was made? Come on now. I'm sure it gets resolved fine but that comparison is ridiculous.